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Charles Xartman (24.194.156.166)
Posted on Tuesday, December 16, 2003 - 02:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Previously, St. Pat's sold what they claimed to be Pilsner Urquell's primary yeast strain under propriatary agreement with Wyeast (2000H, I believe they called it). At any rate, it made an awesome Urquell clone. Now that St. Pats has fled the homebrew business, does anyone know if and where it is possible to obtain this yeast?
 

cdb (24.61.151.131)
Posted on Tuesday, December 16, 2003 - 04:01 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Miller, I think...

not helpful but I'm still bitter...

-cdb
 

cheesehead (134.84.5.31)
Posted on Tuesday, December 16, 2003 - 04:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Let's contact Wyeast.
 

big earl (209.222.26.27)
Posted on Tuesday, December 16, 2003 - 04:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Wlp 800 - is supposedly the PU strain
 

Bill Pierce (24.141.63.119)
Posted on Tuesday, December 16, 2003 - 05:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

For that matter, Wyeast 2278 is also supposedly the Pilsner Urquell strain. Wyeast 2000H (St. Pat's) is supposedly the Budvar strain, not from PU.
 

chumley (199.92.192.126)
Posted on Tuesday, December 16, 2003 - 05:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Having used both, I would have to say that I didn't notice much difference between WY2278 and WY2001 (the PU "H"-strain).
 

Adam W (128.125.6.113)
Posted on Tuesday, December 16, 2003 - 06:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

What? I'm shocked. Am I to infer from your post that you-know-who may have overly hyped-up one of her products?!
 

Hophead (167.4.1.38)
Posted on Tuesday, December 16, 2003 - 06:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Shocking.
 

PalerThanAle (65.168.73.62)
Posted on Tuesday, December 16, 2003 - 07:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I think she invented that strain.

PTA
 

Shane Mock (209.84.172.57)
Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2003 - 02:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I noticed a difference in flavor from Wyeast #2278 Czech Pils and #2001 Pilsner Urquell. The 2278 strain finished much cleaner than the Urquell yeast.

I have used Brew Tek's Original Pilsner Lager yeast, and it was a dead-ringer to the 2001 Urquell yeast, it leaves a hint of diacetyl, a pleasing note of it, not offensive.

You can still get Original Pilsner Lager and other BrewTek yeasts from brewingscience.com for $10.00 per slant, but you have to buy 3 slants at a time.

It is a darn shame that the Budvar and Gambrinus yeasts are gone. The Gambrinus seemed to be the same to me as 2278, but the Budvar is in a class by itself. It is NOT the same as White Lab's Czech Budejovice lager, which comes from the Samson Brewery (www.samson.cz), the other brewery from Budweis that brews a wonderfully hoppy lager. They export it to the US under the name "Crystal," if you can find it.
 

danno (63.224.226.20)
Posted on Wednesday, December 17, 2003 - 11:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Good thing I put the 2000, 2001 and 2002 yeasts on slants!

I agree that the Budvar/Wyeast 2000 yeast is my favorite. You should be able to order the BOP size of W-2000 since their agreeement with StPats only covered homebrewing sizes. I'm hoping that they will release the 2000 in the homebrewing size since StPats is bailing on it.
 

Michael (69.132.111.174)
Posted on Thursday, December 18, 2003 - 02:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

>>It is NOT the same as White Lab's Czech Budejovice lager>>>

Shane - Dang...OK, I have 13 gallons of Bohemian Pilsner bubbling away in primary using this yeast (wlp802). I was oh so hoping for Budvar.

What can I expect from this yeast? Is it going to dry the hell out of this batch?
 

Shane Mock (209.84.172.60)
Posted on Friday, December 19, 2003 - 02:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Probably not. German lager yeasts finish drier than WLP802 will, or at least should. I would expect to taste some residual malt sweetness with the WLP 802 yeast, so I wouldn't be too concerned. You can crash-lager the yeast from the primary temp to lagering temp without stepping it down gradually, which is how the Germans do it. This slows down the yeast, but it still chugs away, drying out the flavor somewhat. Czech yeasts that are "crashed" to lagering temperature leave or "lock-in" the malty flavors you're trying to put into the beer.

That same yeast makes a terrific dark lager, by the way!
 

Michael (69.132.111.174)
Posted on Friday, December 19, 2003 - 03:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Shane, thanks....gravity was @ 1.016 from the 1.050 on brewday, 12/14. Been holding steady @ 52f.

My plan is to move her up to room temp. in a few days for a diacytl rest. I will take your advice and then crash down to lagering temps. I'll lager for 6 weeks, or until my current stash runs out. :>)

I do have to say that the stuff in the hydrometer was most excellent....thanks again.
 

KeepBrewing (24.186.156.4)
Posted on Monday, December 22, 2003 - 04:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

If ther is a problem getting a yeast strain from others wyeast will get it for you. E-mail them. But, if you are only looking for 1 bag. they might think you a wanker.

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