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Doug W
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Username: Pivorat

Post Number: 162
Registered: 08-2004
Posted From: 66.188.1.232
Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 12:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

JSP Malt Mill with handle out the door for 125.00 in my hands

Looser was a PhilMill II for 169.00 and a 10 day wait.
 

Ron Siddall
Junior Member
Username: El_cid

Post Number: 44
Registered: 12-2005
Posted From: 207.12.112.51
Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 04:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Did you look at the Valley Mill at all?
 

davidw
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Username: Davidw

Post Number: 1483
Registered: 03-2001
Posted From: 65.163.6.62
Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 04:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Does anyone still make the Valley Mill?
 

Skotrat
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Username: Skotrat

Post Number: 1831
Registered: 04-2003
Posted From: 169.145.3.12
Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 04:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Doug,

You definitely bought a great mill with the JSP... I have milled thousands and thousands of pounds of grain with my JSP and it is still performing as great as it was when I bought in in 1995 or 1996.

Single roller mill for $169.00? That is scary...

-Scott
 

Connie
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Username: Connie

Post Number: 702
Registered: 10-2000
Posted From: 24.98.248.244
Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 04:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

the Valley Mill

http://www.web.net/~valley/valleymill.html
 

Mark Tigges
Intermediate Member
Username: Mtigges

Post Number: 400
Registered: 03-2003
Posted From: 66.38.134.9
Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 04:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Scott,
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the II is a double roller mill.
Mark.
 

Dan Listermann
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Username: Listermann

Post Number: 2607
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 216.23.59.245
Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 05:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I am sure you will pardon me for correcting you, Scott, but the Philmill II is the double roller model.

Dan

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davidw
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Username: Davidw

Post Number: 1484
Registered: 03-2001
Posted From: 65.163.6.62
Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 05:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Look at the bottom of that page, Connie:

Last Update: Dec. 5, 2001

Last I remember the lady in Tejas had purchased the rights to build the Valley Mill. And we all know what happened to her homebrewing supply business.
 

Skotrat
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Username: Skotrat

Post Number: 1832
Registered: 04-2003
Posted From: 169.145.3.12
Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 05:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

ahhhh...

Sorry Mark... I did not see the II after the PhilMill.

I checked out the PhilMill II a couple years ago and even asked the ListerTroll a bunch of questions about it.

The mill is very well made in my opinion.

I did not buy it because I felt that it was too small overall and very pricey.

My feeling is that if I was personally spend that kind of Scratch I would go for a mill along the lines of CRANK N STEIN 3 roller.

-Scott
 

Dan Listermann
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Username: Listermann

Post Number: 2609
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 216.23.59.245
Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 05:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"the ListerTroll"

Scott, if you keep giving hints like that, people are going to catch on to your game.

Dan

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Ron Siddall
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Username: El_cid

Post Number: 45
Registered: 12-2005
Posted From: 207.12.112.51
Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 07:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I called the number that was listed at the Valley Mill web site and got an answering machine that just listed the number, but nothing about selling anything or a company name.

I also sent an e-mail and we will see what we get if anything.
 

Keith M Williams
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Username: Grok

Post Number: 165
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 192.250.112.193
Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 07:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Dan, Personaly, I thought he gave a very honest opinion.

If I ever moved away from my current LHBS to a place without a good store, I'd by the JSP.

This space for Rent!
 

Dan Listermann
Senior Member
Username: Listermann

Post Number: 2610
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 216.23.59.245
Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 07:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Keith, it was not his opinion about my product that I commented upon. He let slip his nasty little name for me. I only wish he would use it here more often. It is very revealing.

Dan

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4 Hounds Brewing Co.
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Username: 4houndsbc

Post Number: 132
Registered: 07-2002
Posted From: 12.18.36.40
Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 08:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Ahhh.....I frequent another moderated board for techno-dorks and find the atmosphere too stifling. Nobody is willing to whiz in anyone else's wheaties and if they do, they are instantly over-moderated for the rest of eternity. I find the ongoing love-fest between two who shall remain nameless refreshing and comical. Keep up the good work you guys!

I have a JSP myself and do like it quite a bit. I dropped it from about 6 feet and most of the crappy pressboard pieces broke (as anticipated). I replaced all of those with some plywood or pine and the body is better than new. The drive shaft was bent out of round so I contacted good old Jack to see what my options were. His response: buy a new mill. What a card and what customer support! No suggestions on repair, no assistance whatsoever. Ah well, an hour with a light hammer, a level floor, and some wood blocks and now she is almost as good as new.

Your mileage may vary.

Cheers!
 

Skotrat
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Username: Skotrat

Post Number: 1833
Registered: 04-2003
Posted From: 169.145.3.11
Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 09:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hey Now,

When my Buddy Chuck dropped my mill a few years back Jack replaced all the particle board no problem...

Maybe he did not replace anything because the drive shaft bent?

He is a serious piece of work to talk to. If you ever get the chance to meet him I definitely say go for it. He takes Eccentric to a whole new level.

-Scott
 

Dan Listermann
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Username: Listermann

Post Number: 2613
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 216.23.59.245
Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 09:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I would like to second Scott's recommendation about meeting Mr. Schmidling. I met him in Milwaukee at a homebrew conference back in the early 90's. He was certainly different from the other people in the business that I had met. Very memorable.

Dan

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4 Hounds Brewing Co.
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Username: 4houndsbc

Post Number: 133
Registered: 07-2002
Posted From: 12.18.36.40
Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 09:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I really didn't want any of the cheap pressboard junk replaced. I asked how much a new drive roller would cost (I was more than willing to purchase a new one) and he said it was more expensive than I would be willing to pay (or something to that effect) and suggested I purchase a new mill. Eccentric? Odd? Bad customer support? Take your pick. Whatever.....I am very happy with the mill as built and it was my own darn fault the thing hit the ground. It was simple enough to repair and the shaft is nearly centered. If I had more patience, it would be 100% as good as new.

See now, the both of you agree on one thing. Jack is an odd bird. Love is in the air!

Cheers!
 

Paul Edwards
Advanced Member
Username: Pedwards

Post Number: 988
Registered: 03-2003
Posted From: 70.236.0.47
Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 09:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Dan, that was 1992. I met Jack at that conference as well. I was set up next to him one night. I like Jack. We had a great conversation. I didn't find him all that eccentric. only a half bubble off plumb.

But I built my mill, with some help from my dad. 4 inch steel rollers. Adjustable gap. Bronze bushings. Poplar frame. Total cost was about $12. Pulleys and belt to motorize cost more than the mill and the motor. Been using it regularly for about 10 years, maybe more.

My dad is an incredible scrounger.

If I had to go buy one today, it'd be a crankandstein. A friend has one, and it rocks!

(Message edited by pedwards on March 16, 2006)
 

Doug W
Member
Username: Pivorat

Post Number: 163
Registered: 08-2004
Posted From: 66.188.1.232
Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 10:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Feels the love, and grinds my grain
 

davidw
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Username: Davidw

Post Number: 1485
Registered: 03-2001
Posted From: 65.163.6.62
Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 10:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Several years ago there was an individual in Colorado that was building mills. A friend of mine has one. It's like a JSP on steroids. If something bad ever happens (to my friend) I'm taking it and his wife.
 

Skotrat
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Username: Skotrat

Post Number: 1834
Registered: 04-2003
Posted From: 169.145.3.13
Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 10:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Davidw...

Pictures?
 

Ken Anderson
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Username: Ken75

Post Number: 1476
Registered: 11-2002
Posted From: 69.168.141.10
Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 10:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I got a subject line censored yesterday on the colored board. Moving up in the world.
 

davidw
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Username: Davidw

Post Number: 1486
Registered: 03-2001
Posted From: 65.163.6.62
Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 10:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Here ya go, Scott:

 

Little Dipper
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Username: Littledipper

Post Number: 64
Registered: 02-2004
Posted From: 206.114.61.199
Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 10:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I was hoping for pictures of his wife. . .but that's a nice mill too.
 

Skotrat
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Username: Skotrat

Post Number: 1835
Registered: 04-2003
Posted From: 169.145.3.13
Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 10:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks

And the Wife???

 

davidw
Senior Member
Username: Davidw

Post Number: 1487
Registered: 03-2001
Posted From: 65.163.6.62
Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 10:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Now boys, that wouldn't be very discrete.

Oh, what the hell:

 

davidw
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Username: Davidw

Post Number: 1488
Registered: 03-2001
Posted From: 65.163.6.62
Posted on Thursday, March 16, 2006 - 10:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Heh heh!
 

Bob Boufford
Intermediate Member
Username: Bobb

Post Number: 316
Registered: 03-2003
Posted From: 129.128.11.184
Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 12:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Before this thread totally melts down from the panting...

I understand the Valley Mill is actually a small "mom & pop" shop with the mills being built on order. Whoever maintains the web site just never updates the creation date for the page.

All the other mills mentioned are very good, for me it was a close choice between JSP and Phil II until I factored in customs duty the exchange rate which wasn't that good a couple of years ago. The Valley Mill turned out to be a good price and is a good mill also.
 

Bill Pierce
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Username: Billpierce

Post Number: 4852
Registered: 01-2002
Posted From: 24.57.229.8
Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 07:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

For the record, it was the Automatic mill that the "lady from Texas" bought the rights to. Bob B. is correct about the Valley mill; it's made by a small mom & pop outfit. The same can be said for all of the popular homebrew mills out there.

I happen to have a JSP adjustable mill, but as I have said on numerous occasions we are fortunate to have quite a few choices that do a very good job.
 

Belly Buster Bob
Senior Member
Username: Canman

Post Number: 2502
Registered: 02-2003
Posted From: 142.177.112.206
Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 09:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I'm convinced that if you can draw a picture you can have a mill built for less than buying....and end up with a better product


(Message edited by canman on March 17, 2006)
Bellybuster Bob
www.bellybuster.netfirms.com
 

davidw
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Username: Davidw

Post Number: 1490
Registered: 03-2001
Posted From: 65.163.6.62
Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 09:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

BBB: "Directly downloading images is not permitted on the Netfirms FREE plan. If you are the owner of this site, either ensure that this image is embedded in a web page, or upgrade to one of the Netfirms premium plans."

Bill: Ahhh, yes, the Automatic mill, that would be it.

Now, gentlemen, please let me go sulk about the Hawkeyes first round loss at the buzzer . . .

(Message edited by davidw on March 17, 2006)
 

Belly Buster Bob
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Username: Canman

Post Number: 2503
Registered: 02-2003
Posted From: 142.177.112.206
Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 09:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Text description
Bellybuster Bob
www.bellybuster.netfirms.com
 

Guy C
Intermediate Member
Username: Ipaguy

Post Number: 415
Registered: 09-2003
Posted From: 24.6.136.251
Posted on Friday, March 17, 2006 - 10:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

The one aluminum fabricator in my area I talked to about building a mill for me took one look at the price and pictures I had and told me to go buy one. I'm happy with $99 Crankandstein CGM-2A. Lots of folks seem happy with the Barleycrusher mill too.
 

Belly Buster Bob
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Username: Canman

Post Number: 2506
Registered: 02-2003
Posted From: 142.177.103.198
Posted on Saturday, March 18, 2006 - 12:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

mine was based on the barlet crusher. Key is to have fabricator just mill the parts. You assemble
Bellybuster Bob
www.bellybuster.netfirms.com
 

Ron Siddall
Junior Member
Username: El_cid

Post Number: 46
Registered: 12-2005
Posted From: 66.245.192.221
Posted on Saturday, March 18, 2006 - 02:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I received a reply from Valley regarding their mill. They said that they are taking time off and not making them right now.
 

tobias magan
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Username: Magan

Post Number: 118
Registered: 07-2003
Posted From: 24.98.175.117
Posted on Saturday, March 18, 2006 - 04:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I think Bill P's last post is a clear confirmation that "Bill Pierce" is a computer expert system, moderated by Skotrat and Dan Listermann.
 

Dan Listermann
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Username: Listermann

Post Number: 2619
Registered: 03-2004
Posted From: 216.23.59.245
Posted on Saturday, March 18, 2006 - 05:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Tobias, hey, WTF!

Dan

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Tim Wi
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Username: Riverkeeper

Post Number: 400
Registered: 03-2005
Posted From: 65.7.84.135
Posted on Saturday, March 18, 2006 - 03:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Hard to believe the Barley Crusher wasn't mentioned until so late in the thread.

I love mine.

T
 

Richard Nye
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Username: Yeasty_boy

Post Number: 1305
Registered: 01-2004
Posted From: 68.109.85.19
Posted on Saturday, March 18, 2006 - 04:05 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I've got a BC also and love it. I got it because it was a good value. The hopper holds about 6 or 7 lbs of grain.

Actually, for homebrewing purposes, crushing grain is a pretty simple thing. There are a lot of mills out there that can do it very well.