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Chumley
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Username: Chumley

Post Number: 6256
Registered: 02-2003
Posted From: 63.118.227.254
Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2011 - 03:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Okay, I've got a yeast cake of WLP800 pilsner yeast all ready to go, May is a couple of months away, so I'm thinking maibock. Help me figure out a good malt bill.

I have in stock lots of Best pilsner malt. No vienna. Ten pounds of Briess Munich 10L. A pound each of MFB caravienne, Weyermann caramunich (both types I and III), and aromatic. Two pounds of MFB special aromatic.

I'm currently thinking maybe:

10 lbs. pils
2 lbs. special aromatic
0.5 lbs. caravienne

....and using the Briess Munich to feed the pigeons. But I'm open for suggestions.
 

Marc Rehfuss
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Username: Marc_rehfuss

Post Number: 282
Registered: 03-2003
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Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2011 - 06:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Sounds good to me. Never used MFB special aromatic, apparently it's just a hair darker than Vienna, so I suppose it's Vienna like in character.

Traditionally, pilsner + Munich and no Vienna would be the way to go, but frankly tradition is not the name of the game for me. My last Maibock used Vienna, Munich Carafoam + Sterling hops. Wyeast 2206. Fermented at 48 for 3-4 weeks, lagered for a couple months at least. It won my club comp so it couldn't have been too bad. : )
 

Graham Cox
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Username: T2driver

Post Number: 2685
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Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2011 - 06:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I agree with Marc that Vienna is the way to go, but if you want to use what you have on hand, I'd go with probably a 70/30 split of pilsner/Munich, then specialty grains as you see fit. Personally, I'd stay away from the caravienne and caramunich in this style, too fruity.
 

Denny Conn
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Username: Denny

Post Number: 7532
Registered: 01-2001
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Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2011 - 06:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

To me, the special aromatic is a lot like Vienna. I always put a bit of caravienne in my maibocks.
 

Chumley
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Username: Chumley

Post Number: 6257
Registered: 02-2003
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Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2011 - 03:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks for the input, Marc, Graham, and Denny. Very helpful. I think that I will save the Special Aromatic for a saison, and go with:

8.5 lbs. pils
4 lbs. munich
0.25 lbs. caravienne
1/2 oz. dehusked carafa III

I will brew this, this weekend.
 

Bill Pierce
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Post Number: 12686
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Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2011 - 03:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

That looks like a good recipe to me. I don't think you really need the dehusked carafa. Maibocks can be relatively light in color.
 

Denny Conn
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Username: Denny

Post Number: 7533
Registered: 01-2001
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Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2011 - 04:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Agree with Bill about the carafa. You'll get plenty of color from the Munich.
 

Rob Farrell
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Username: Robf

Post Number: 599
Registered: 02-2003
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Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2011 - 05:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I just brewed "Chumley's Killer Maibock" from a rec file that I'm sure I got here. I thinks its pretty good.
 

Chumley
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Username: Chumley

Post Number: 6258
Registered: 02-2003
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Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2011 - 06:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I have brewed some killer Maibocks in the past, so that isn't surprising. I lost a lot of recipes, though, when some IT guy took StrangeBrew and ProMash off of my work computer.

I'm just a little leery of the Briess Munich malt. I remember years ago, they made it out of six row, and it just didn't taste just right. Their spec sheet says two row now, and I tasted the malt last night, it seems okay.

The dash of carafa isn't for color. I remember reading somewhere that German brewers often throw in a handful of black malt at the end of the sparge, claiming that it helps clear the beer. I figure it couldn't hurt, and might help on the mash pH, since I'm out of acidulated malt.
 

davidwaite
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Post Number: 2140
Registered: 03-2001
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Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2011 - 06:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You may have read that (about the carafa) in New Brewing Lagers Chumley. I'm pretty sure I remember reading the same.

And next time ask your IT person before loading illegal software on your work computer!

 

Denny Conn
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Username: Denny

Post Number: 7535
Registered: 01-2001
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Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2011 - 08:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Unless you have the Briess Bonlander, it is 6 row AFAIK. I've ruined a couple beers with that stuff.
 

Marc Rehfuss
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Post Number: 283
Registered: 03-2003
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Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2011 - 10:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Briess Munich is that bad, eh? Perhaps I've not been completely irrational staying away from the stuff all these years. I've been under the assumption that it was an "inferior" malt.
 

Brad On Bass
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Username: August_west

Post Number: 48
Registered: 11-2010
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Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2011 - 10:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Are you guys referring to Briess malt in general or just their munich? I ask because Briess is the American malt that my LHBS sells and I haven't had the chance to compare it to anything else. Any suggestions on something you guys prefer?
 

Marc Rehfuss
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Post Number: 284
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Posted on Friday, March 11, 2011 - 12:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

For Munich I use Weyermann almost exclusively, though I use Belgian Munich on occasion. Weyermann Munich has a fantastic, smooth bready sweet character. Belgian Munich is more neutral. Really, one can't go wrong with any malt Weyermann produces. For the base malt of my American and Brit styles I use Maris Otter exclusively. For the past year I've been using Gleneagles Maris Otter (floor malted.) Biscuity and rich, it's almost too much for common American styles. LOVE that malt.
 

Bierview
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Post Number: 968
Registered: 03-2003
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Posted on Friday, March 11, 2011 - 12:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

IMHO Briess seems much too pedestrian. I simply don't like it and it seems that everyone stocks it.
 

Steve Jones
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Post Number: 726
Registered: 08-2001
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Posted on Friday, March 11, 2011 - 02:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

FYI Chumley
I have Promash installed on a flash drive ... it doesn't install any system files, so it is totally portable. I can pop it into any computer's usb port and I've got access to all my recipes and brew sessions.
 

Chumley
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Username: Chumley

Post Number: 6261
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Posted on Friday, March 11, 2011 - 05:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Damn, Steve....why didn't I think of that? Good idea.

I've used Briess Munich about ten years ago as well, and didn't like it. Only reason I bought it is because there's a new LHBS and I want to help the guy out. I bought the Munich before I found out it was Briess.

The reason why I didn't like it, though, was because I was brewing 100% munich beers as a base malt. Hopefully, by keeping it under 30%, it will not impart that off-flavor (somewhat "vegetal", as I recall).
 

Denny Conn
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Post Number: 7536
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Posted on Friday, March 11, 2011 - 08:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"Are you guys referring to Briess malt in general or just their munich?"...many Briess malts are 6 row. I'm not a big fan of them at all. I far prefer either Great western or especially Rahr for domestic malts.
 

Brad On Bass
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Post Number: 49
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Posted on Friday, March 11, 2011 - 09:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks, guys! I've heard good things about Rahr before, and I believe my LHBS carries some Weyermann products as well. It's not a huge issue because, like Marc, I tend to prefer continental malts, but it's something I'll have up my sleeve when needed.
 

Jeff Rankert
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Posted on Saturday, March 12, 2011 - 01:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Looking on the Briess web site, the 4 types of Munich malt they have listed now are said to be made from 2 row these days. The Vienna is made from 6 row.

They make crystal malts from both 2 and 6 row. You need to know which one you are buying if you buy Briess crystal.
 

Rob Farrell
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Posted on Saturday, March 12, 2011 - 06:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

+1 (Damn I hate that!) on Promash on the flash drive. Even though I never goof off at work, I often head to the LHBS after work. Being able to pull up the recipe as I head out the door is priceless.

(Message edited by robf on March 12, 2011)
 

Chumley
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Username: Chumley

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Posted on Saturday, March 12, 2011 - 10:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

FWIW, this Briess spec sheet as of January 7, 2011 says that the regular 10L Munich is now two-row.

http://www.brewingwithbriess.com/Assets/PDFs/Briess_PISB_MunichMalt10L.pdf
 

Denny Conn
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Posted on Saturday, March 12, 2011 - 11:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP    Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Thanks for the update, Chumley.