HOMEBREW Digest #1151 Fri 28 May 1993

Digest #1150 Digest #1152

		Rob Gardner, Digest Coordinator

  Ferment too quick?!? (Paul_Szabady)
  bleach and ss (donald oconnor)
  breadmachines (Kim_Kiesow)
  Brewing Techniques ("Bob Jones" )
  Manhattan Brewing/Bud in Europe (Jim Driscoll)
  re-using yeast ("JSDAWS1 at PROFSSR")
  New Orleans Brewpubs (Jim Bayer)
  Hoegaarden Replication ("Spencer W. Thomas")
  Marigold Ale (geotex)
  Close brush with disaster (Phillip Seitz)
  Rot on hops leaves? (Subbakrishna Shankar)
  Correcting My Previous Post about IBUs (Mark Garetz)
  Beer in Japan (Bryan Kornreich)
  hoptech.com now active! (Mark Garetz)

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---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 26 May 93 17:15:58 edt From: Paul_Szabady at DGC.ceo.dg.com Subject: Ferment too quick?!? Message: I was wondering if anyone out there in HBD-land has tried the recipe for Armenian Imperial Stout from TNCJOHB. I just brewed a batch using this recipe this past sunday night. I pitched the yeast (that came with the "M&F Old ALe Kit" first thing monday about 6:30am. By about 8pm, I had a nice ferment going. Tuesday am, I switched from an overflowing airlock to a hose and pan of water due to an extremely vigorous ferment. Wed at about 1am I switched back to my airlock and was pleased with a "once every 15sec glug". By noon on wed, I seem to have practically stopped fermenting. I've been making homebrew for about 6 years now and have never seen a recipe with this amount of malt (almost 11 lbs - $33.00 for supplies!!!) finish soooo quick. Barely 54hrs. I'm thinking maybe I should've spent a little more and got a better yeast. Any suggestions/comments???? Should I pitch more yeast??? I broke my hydrometer a while ago and haven't replaced it yet so I don't have any sg readings. Email direct or post...TIA ps Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 26 May 1993 23:18:49 -0500 From: donald oconnor <oconnor at ccwf.cc.utexas.edu> Subject: bleach and ss i'd like to clear up some confusion evident in al's post yesterday. al's confusion is significant, although understandable. al is confused regarding sodium hypochlorite, chlorine water and bleach. bleach is a dilute, about 5%, aqueous solution of sodium hypochlorite. chlorine water is water with hypochlorous acid. sodium hypochlorite is the sodium salt of the acid. i doubt that anyone is using either sodium hypochlorite or chlorine gas for sanitizing their SS pots or kegs. although the reactivity of chlorine water and sodium hypochlorite with SS is mildly interesting and contained in both the cole-parmer and granger catalogs, it's not pertinent to the issue. as i mentioned earlier, the table in the granger catalog suggest there is no reactivity between 304 and 316 ss and bleach. curiously, the cole-parmer table al has is in perfect agreement on this point. it's under "chlorox (bleach)". my own experience agrees with the data in al's coleparmer table and the granger catalog. i used to use about 1 teaspoon of bleach per gallon of water in sanitizing kegs (304 ss) and have observed no effect whatsoever with exposures typically of 30 minutes to 1 hour. it is best to be cautious however. it's easy to confuse aluminum for SS and the granger catalog suggests bleach is reactive with aluminum. curiously, the cole- parmer catalog says that bleach does not react with aluminum. these tables are only guidelines. no details as the conditions of the test such as length of exposure are given. al is also confused about the nature of silicon and silicone. the one with the 'e' has a long 'o' as in conehead. although they are spelled similarly, the difference between silicon and silicone is similar to the difference between graphite and plastic. al's confusion led him to erroneously state that there is no reactivity between beer and silicon. closer examination of the cole-parmer table will reveal that there is no reactivity between beer and siliconE. as i said earlier, the granger catalog indicates that beer is reactive with silicon but who cares. Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 27 May 93 00:23:46 edt From: Kim_Kiesow at DGC.ceo.dg.com Subject: breadmachines Message: Thanx for the recipes I received for beerbread using my machine. And as far as using the "goop" from the bottom of the fermemter(sp?)it sounds like the breadmachines do not allow enough time for the bread to rise properly. I will most likely give it a try anyway. :*} Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 27 May 93 08:12:46 PDT From: "Bob Jones" <novax.llnl.gov at novax.llnl.gov> Subject: Brewing Techniques Is anyone at brewing Techniques reachable via email? Someone knowledgable about subscription info. that is. Bob Jones Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 27 May 93 11:21:06 -0400 From: driscoll at curacao.dartmouth.edu (Jim Driscoll) Subject: Manhattan Brewing/Bud in Europe Danial Roman asked for a scouting reported from the newly reopened Manhattan Brewing Company ("New York's Working Brewery & Restaurant", 42 Thompson Street, New York, NY 10013, (212) 925-1515, Fax (212) 925-7051, Opens at 5:00pm for dinner, with lunch hours to be added soon.) Up from the street level a flight or two, you find an open space with 2 large (~100 BBL) copper kettles dominating a small dance floor, a bar with hand pumps, some table seating in the center, and above the bar additional table seating. On tap are 5 ales, from which I sampled the Brown Ale, India Pale Ale and their Amber Ale. Mixed drinks and wine can also be had from the bar, but their is no evidence of any beer other than those house brewed. I didn't stay for dinner, but the menu, along with everything else, seems hardly changed from its previous incarnation. You might find Garrett Oliver running around in a white lab coat with a patch marked MBAA (for the Master Brewers Association of the Americas), which readily identifies him as the brewmaster. Garret was the former assistant brewer at Manhattan and he was kind enough to take me up a floor and show me their brewery. They have a 7 and a 12 BBL steam jacketed kettle with agaitation. They mash in the M&F malt in the kettle and do a temperature program mash (Michael Lewis of UC Davis derides the term step-infusion mash as ``homebrew language'') and then pump the mash to the lauter tun with a v-wire mesh false bottom. They use only whole hops in the boil. Fermentation takes place in open fermenters with top fermentaing yeasts. From the open fementors the green beer goes into one of their 15 or so 7 BBL grundys in a cold room where it undergoes a secondary fermentation and is racked to a serving grundy which dispenses to the bar below under pressure. Garrett is an enthusiastic brewer and mentioned some exciting and unusual brews that he plans on producing once the new operation settles down a bit. When in the NY metro area you should support the local brewers by checking this place out as well as Zip City (Manhattan) and Mountain Valley Brewpub (Suffern, NY). - --- Richard Akerboom notes that AB would have to change the name of Bud in Europe since the Czechs have rights to the name Budwiser there. This is in fact what they do. If you grab a long neck ``Bud'' here the label says Budwiser, but in Europe when you grab a ``Bud'' the label says just that: Bud. I guess they want to be their Bud too. (Actually, the only place I have personally seen this Bud was in a specialty beer store in Mechelen, Belgium.) Jim Driscoll Driscoll Brewing (908) 665-8333 (908) 665-8355 Fax Return to table of contents
Date: 27 May 1993 08:35:08 PST From: "JSDAWS1 at PROFSSR" <JSDAWS1 at PB1.PacBell.COM> Subject: re-using yeast Due in part to things I've read here re; yeast culturing, I decided to try an experiment with my last batch. A couple weeks back, I took a 3 gal. keg of SNPA-clone pale ale to a picnic. It ocurred to me that, since the beer was clean (and tasty) and had yeast cultured from an SNPA 6-pack, why not just let the dregs sit in the keg under preasure at room temp until I brewed again (last Saturday) then simply pop the lid, add 1 cup sterile cool water, swish it around, and dump directly into the primary. Fermentation started within 12 hrs and smells clean. It's a slow ferment as are most that I do with SNPA but smells clean. Questions: - can anyone see potentiial problems or drawbacks with this method - how long might clean yeast be held under preasure this way before it loses viability. One other question.... I recently bought WYEAST packs for both british ale and Lonmdon ALe (forget the #'s). Can someone tell me what the difference in these yeasts are based on their experiences, and which styles of ales they might match up best with. Thx | If it's good for ancient druids runnin naked thru the woods | | drinkin strange fermented fluids then it's good enough for me. | | JACK DAWSON - JSDAWS1 - 415 545-0299 - CUSTOMER BILLING (BG) | Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 27 May 1993 12:19:53 -0500 (CDT) From: brewmstr at genesis.mcs.com (Jim Bayer) Subject: New Orleans Brewpubs Mary Dabney Wilson asks about brewpubs in New Orelans: Mary, I was just in New Orleans and there is a new(er) brewpub there called Crescent City Brewhouse. The place is very nice and the beer isn't bad either. There's also an oyster bar and live entertainment. I especially enjoyed the Weissbeer they had. They also have a Marzen they call Red Stallion. If I recall correctly, you can get a sampler of all of their current brews. You can see the copper mash kettles on the first floor and the stainless holding tanks on the second, but they don't give any brewery tour (like Goose Island does in Chicago) Be sure to check out the t-shirts. I like the logo and the stallion on the back. I bought one right away! It's located between St. Louis (for sure) and Tolouse (I think) right off the waterfront (Decatur?). Don't get confused about the Jackson Brewery (Jacks), it's just a shopping mall conversion of a real brewery. The only thing at Jacks is Budmilloors. Jim Bayer brewmstr at genesis.mcs.com Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 27 May 93 14:00:08 EDT From: "Spencer W. Thomas" <Spencer.W.Thomas at med.umich.edu> Subject: Hoegaarden Replication Randy Mosher suggests tossing 1/4c of flour into the boil to get the typical haziness of a White beer. I haven't tried it. =S Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 27 May 93 14:28:44 EDT From: <geotex at engin.umich.edu> Subject: Marigold Ale Has anyone made Marigold Ale as listed on 6-2 in The Cat's Meow II? I am thinking about starting up a batch, but I have never made such a high alcohol brew. I would be interested in hearing about the fermentation time (primary and secondary) and aging time (in bottles). Any other advice would also be appreciated. Thanks! Alex geotex at engin.umich.edu Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 27 May 93 19:15 GMT From: Phillip Seitz <0004531571 at mcimail.com> Subject: Close brush with disaster I'll set the scene: Here I am at work, hustling to get things wrapped up so I can head off tomorrow (Friday) for Belgium. I'm looking forward to lambic hunting, while my friends over there are combing the countryside for rare and unusual brews made in farmhouses, basements, garages and what have you for our week of overindulgence. I'm packing up two sixes of my own beer for field testing, and bringing along several bottles of Celis for presents. In other words, all is nearly ready for a peak snob beer experience. Now it's time for lunch. I walk out the door and down the street to our usual lunch place and walk straight into................................a Bud Lite commercial! There they were...camera crews, mountains of equipment, people trying to look important, cases and cases of the vile stuff, workers everywhere hanging neon Bud Light signs where there'd never been any before, and a gathering tribe of bimbos and guys named Biff. During lunch it turned out I'd sat down next to the crew, who were reviewing takes from their recent shooting in Baltimore. Must've seen the Bud Light truck drive by Baltimore's Washington Monument at least twenty times. Lots of in-bar photos of guys named Biff touting Bud Light. Babes named Gina and Tiffany, touting Bud Light. Dogs, touting Bud Light. My lunch companions and I (NOT the crew!) could not contain our amusement and got some nasty looks. That was close, though. What would the homebrew world think if my face showed up in an ad for this pathetic stuff? It would be almost as bad as being in a Sam Adams commercial! (Of course, nobody here knows what I look like, but...) Looking forward to better things, Phil Seitz PSEITZ at MCIMAIL.COM P.S. On second thought, perhaps I could infiltrate their evil organization, swap some bottles, and change history? Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 27 May 93 16:53:18 -0400 From: sxs32 at po.CWRU.Edu (Subbakrishna Shankar) Subject: Rot on hops leaves? I've noticed some yellow/brown rust like discoloration on the lower leaves of my hops vines recently and am concerned (not worrying) that it might be a symptom of a fungal infection. This is the second year in the ground for these rhizomes, and the vines are already at 12-15 ft and growing vigorously. Last year we had a cold, wet summer here in Cleveland, so the vines reached 10 ft only by the end of the summer and failed to produce any flowers. I also found plenty of slugs and aphids. This year the weather has been warmer and drier, and I have not seen any slugs or aphids. I have of course watered and fertilized the plants. Has anyone else seen this discoloration? Is it a lack of a certain nutrient or is it indeed a disease? How can I safely get rid of it? Thanks in advance for your help. - -- Subba Shankar E-mail: sxs32 at po.cwru.edu (Internet) U.S. Snail: Dept. of Neurosciences Voice: (216)368-2195 Case Western Reserve U. FAX: (216)368-4650 Cleveland, OH 44106 Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 27 May 1993 17:24:55 From: garetz at brahms.amd.com (Mark Garetz) Subject: Correcting My Previous Post about IBUs Rick Garvin sent me a private email saying he was a bit confused about my post requesting feedback on Jackie Rager's utilization chart. I guess I mixed up my "too highs" and my "too lows". Let's try again: I was asking whether people thought that Rager's chart numbers were too high or not. Then I went on to ask "if they were too low, by how much..." I really meant to ask: If you think that Rager's numbers for utilization are too high, then how much would you lower them? Thanks again, Mark from HopTech Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 27 May 1993 21:56:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Bryan Kornreich <bkornrei at pennsy.med.jhu.edu> Subject: Beer in Japan Hey all, Firstly, I want to thank everyone who responded with their opinions on the importance of secondary fermentations and with hints on obtaining banana ester formation in beers. I was wondering if anyone knows any place to obtain real beer in Japan. I have heard all sorts of horror stories about the big 4 brewers over there hiding knowledge of real beer from the Japanese public. All I have ever seen there in the past are a small variety of American Pilsner clones. Pretty gross; it actually drove me to drinking lots of sake--not necessarily a bad thing, but this summer I'm going to be over there for two whole months, and I don't know if I'll make it without a true ale, bock, or stout to tide me over until my return. If anyone knows of a nice brewpub, or even any sort of place with good beer in Tsukuba (where I'll be) or Tokyo (not too far away)--I'd really appreciate it. And if anyone who gets this list is in Tsukuba or Tokyo now, or will be this summer, drop me an E-mail, and maybe we'll be able to set out in search of beer together. Thanks, Bryan Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 27 May 93 23:21:15 PDT From: Mark Garetz <mgaretz at hoptech.com> Subject: hoptech.com now active! Just wanted to let you all know that HopTech now can receive email directly and now has it's own domain. You can email to: mgaretz at hoptech.com Mark at HopTech Return to table of contents
End of HOMEBREW Digest #1151, 05/28/93