HOMEBREW Digest #126 Thu 13 April 1989

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		Rob Gardner, Digest Coordinator

  Homebrew Digest #125 (April 12, 1989) (Steve Anthony)
  Homebrew & Compuserve (Greg Wageman)
  Texas Homebrew Law Problem (But I'm feeling MUCH better now)
  Bock ales? (Bryan Hilterbrand)

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---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Apr 89 10:40:28 EDT From: Steve Anthony <steveo at Think.COM> Subject: Homebrew Digest #125 (April 12, 1989) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 89 02:00:04 est From: homebrew-request%hpfcmr at hp-sde.sde.hp.com (Are you SURE you want to send it HERE?) Apparently-To: realhomebrew%hpfcmr at hp-sde.sde.hp.com HOMEBREW Digest #125 Wed 12 April 1989 Date: Tue, 11 Apr 89 08:17:17 PDT From: dsbaer at EBay.Sun.COM (David Baer) Subject: The beer continuum >>I understand that bock is the season's dregs,<< I have a different understanding of bock. Without my pocket guide I don't have an exact definition, but I think bock beers are usually brewed in the fall for consumption in the spring, they have relatively high starting gravities: ie 1055-1065(dopplebocks are 1070-1080) and are called bock beer because the original bock was brewed in Einbeck, Germany. The reason many bock beers have a goat as their mascot is "bock" is goat in German. I don't speak German and can't verify my last statement at this moment, but I think its true. As far a I know, basically correct. Another possible cause for the name is that it is traditionally served around the Xmas-New Years-Epiphanny time frame, which is under the astrological sign of Capricorn; the goat. Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 89 08:57:12 PDT From: sjsca4!greg at uunet.UU.NET (Greg Wageman) Subject: Homebrew & Compuserve Rob Gardner writes: >Consider that out of the tens (or perhaps hundreds) of thousands of >people who have access to Usenet/BitNet/CSnet/Arpanet/etcnet, only >about 350 have elected to subscribe to the Homebrew Digest. Out of >those 350, there are only around 5 or 10 people who contribute articles >regularly, and only about 30 or 40 who ever contribute. (Diclaimer: >these numbers are the purest shimmering wild assed guesses.) Compuserve has just celebrated their "500,000th user". Don't ask me whether that's 500,000 *active* accounts, or they've just issued their 500,000th account in their history. In any even, they rival Usenet in number of potential readers. And unlike usenet, there is an organization behind them which publishes a magazine which does features on things like a homebrew forum to attract members. >Now, let's look at the people who will subscribe to the compuserve >homebrewing discussion. They are a similar group, but with one >important difference: they will have to be loaded with money. For in >order to access compuserve, you must own a modem, and a terminal or a >personal computer! You must also have bags of money to pay the connect >charges. Now, it is true that lots of people brew beer, and lots of >people have PC's, but how many people are interested in both? I >predict it will be a pretty small number of people who are willing to >spend the extra time and money. Unlike Usenet, Compuserve subscribers represent people who use their own computers for leisure activities. The vast majority of Usenetters receive it at work, or at school. And very few actually pay for it (that some *do* pay for it is another argument against the above). Compuserve subscribers, on the other hand, pay by the minute. Thus, they tend, overall, to be an upscale group. No one expects the Homebrew forum to attract *new* users; but existing Compuserve subscribers already have their terminals or PC's and modems, and presumably some money to spare for homebrewing. The best thing that could come out of this would be for Compuserve to introduce more people to homebrewing. How is that bad for anyone? >For most of you out there, the time and money you spend on the Homebrew >Digest is close to nothing. How many of you would even bother if it >meant you had to go through a whole electronic ritual just to log in? Compuserve's machine-specific forums provide free software to automate the message-reading process. On my Atari ST, I can double-click an icon and have the machine 1) dial Compuserve 2) log me in 3) go to the forums and get new messages from the topics I previously selected 4) log off 5) allow me to read message threads 6) compose replies and 7) log in, post them, and log out. No muss, no fuss, no hexadecimal incantations or slaughtering of goats. In addition, since Compuserve's forums provide an indexed file-storage area, lists of (for example) recipes, grouped by beer type, could be kept on-line. The possibilities are wide open at this point. In case you haven't figured it out by now, I am also a Compuserve subscriber. I gather that Rob isn't; you should check it out before you write it off. Greg Wageman DOMAIN: greg at sj.ate.slb.com Schlumberger Technologies UUCP: ...!uunet!sjsca4!greg 1601 Technology Drive BIX: gwage San Jose, CA 95110-1397 CIS: 74016,352 (408) 437-5198 GEnie: G.WAGEMAN Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 12 Apr 89 08:31:20 CDT From: jmellby at ngstl1.csc.ti.com (But I'm feeling MUCH better now) Subject: Texas Homebrew Law Problem I realize this is only locally important, but ... The Texas Tobacco and Alcohol Board has struck again! Last fall, just before the Houston Homebrew competition, the TABC decided the the law allowing homebrewing for personal "use" meant "use" in you home, only by members of your family. This meant, no homebrew competitions, no giving samples to friends, no taking the homebrew out of the house, etc. (This also applies to home-made wine!) There is a proposed ammendment to the home-brew law pending, which anyone in Texas, or nearby states, might like to support. The bill is #2332 (I hope) ammending 109.21 (which allows homebrew) saying that homebrew may be removed from the home for organized affairs exhibitions, or competitions ... Anyone who is willing please contact Texas Representatives and support this bill. P.S. BTW, there is also a proposed bill to allow Brewpubs in Texas, pushed mainly by the nice people at Reinheitsgebot Brewing, here in Plano. P.P.S. Any homebrewers traveling through Dallas, there is a monthly Homebrew Club meeting on the second Tuesday of the month, at 7PM in the Olla Podrida Shopping Mall (its closed then so enter at the North-East door). Visitors are welcome. Surviving the American Dream John R. Mellby Texas Instruments jmellby%ngstl1.ti.com P.O.Box 660246, MS 3645 Dallas Texas, 75266 (214)517-5370 (214)343-7585 ******************************************** * I may be a craven little coward, but * * I'm a gre-e-e-edy craven little coward! * * -- Daffy Duck * ******************************************** Return to table of contents
Date: 12 Apr 89 12:04:50 PDT (Wed) From: Bryan Hilterbrand <bryanh%dadla.la.tek.com at RELAY.CS.NET> Subject: Bock ales? Hi everyone, Stupid novice questions: since the subject of "bock" beers came up, I was wondering if a bock ale would taste good? I am considering making a bock ale for my second batch of homebrew, and I was hoping someone had experience with this. 1) Is this too hard of a brew to make for a second batch? 2) Would it taste okay as an ale (I can't get another refrigerator into my apartment)? 3) Any specific ale yeast varieties to use/avoid (I'm probably going to use one of the Wyeast liquid yeasts)? By the way, my thanks go out to everyone for this forum -- it's been a lot of fun to read and learn from everyone. (Special thanks to Rob for keeping the list going!) Bryanh Hilterbrand bryanh at dadla.la.tek.com Return to table of contents
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