HOMEBREW Digest #2300 Friday, January 3 1997

Digest #2299 Digest #2301
		(formerly Volume 02 : Number 020)



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Contents:
  Re: DMS...
  Re:  PH meter and Temp. probe in single unit?
  Re: Iodophor/Bleach
  Re:  PH meter and Temp. probe in single unit?
  Propane gas regulators
  Priming and Bottling
  Brewing Techniques Subscr. info
  Clearing problem
  CO2 bottles, Carbonoation and Corny kegs
  Free Range Chimay Ranching in Europa
  Re: Homebrew Digest V2 #19
  Splitting CO2 Lines
  Re:  Hop Rhizomes
  Re: Short, intense ferment
  splitting gas lines
  Re: Iodophor/Bleach
  Re: The meaning of Light
  Bottling Time?
  Water Chemistry vs. Love
  Re: Priming and Bottling
  First all-grain (Darrin P.)
  Author line,  Jim Cave
  re: First all-grain (Darrin P.)
  re: keeping the hops out of the fermenter
  Kettle mashing.
  decanting of yeast to culture question
  Re: RIMS pump speed control
  Re: RIMS pump speed control
  Pale Ale Recipe comments?


---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 18:17:36 -0500 From: Jean-Sebastien Morisset <jsmoriss at qc.bell.ca> Subject: Re: DMS... At 14:09 02/01/97 -0500, you wrote: >Jean-Sebastien-- >>door closed. :-) I don't "mash-out" since I use a Gott cooler to mash, so >>I've been wondering about DMS levels. The wort will be sitting in a bucket >>for about an hour while I sparge. Can anyone see a problem with this? > >Don't worry about DMS... any that got created would be boiled-off during >the boil. The concern is *after* the boil if it sits around for a long >time above 158F (70C?). You *should* worry about HSA however... don't >splash the wort as you put it in the kettle. The easiest thing to do >would be to put a stopcock and hose on the bucket that is collecting >the wort. Well, I don't know what a stopcock is (sounds mildly sexual...), but I was planning on using a 1/2" spigot/tubing assembly to quickly transfer the wort from the bucket to the kettle, avoiding HSA. :-) I'm glad to hear any accumulated DMS will evaporate, although now I'm a little concerned with enzyme activity while the wort sits around. <grin> Oh, and I use a CF chiller so DMS isn't a problem once the boil is complete.... Thank! js. - -- Jean-Sebastien Morisset, Sc. Unix Administrator <mailto:jsmoriss at qc.bell.ca> Bell Canada, Routing and Trunking Asignments <http://www.bell.ca> Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 18:29:54 -0500 From: Jean-Sebastien Morisset <jsmoriss at qc.bell.ca> Subject: Re: PH meter and Temp. probe in single unit? At 17:51 02/01/97 EST, you wrote: >> >>From what I've read, several PH meters compensate for temperature. Do these PH >>meters also display the temp.? I've been thinking of buying a temp. probe and >>PH meter, but if I can get both in one unit.... Anyone know of some good >>models? > >I have a Newport combination digital pH meter and thermometer (sorry, don't >have the model number handy). It's a nice pH meter, because it temperature >compenstates to 70C (158F, perfect for mashing), where many only go to 50C. >However, I don't recommend it as a thermometer because it takes too darn long >for the temperature reading to settle. Like 30-60 seconds long. I want to >know the temperature *now*. So I also use a quality, quick-reading digital >and/or analog thermometer (I've got a few; I like gadgets). Thanks! So, what I'm looking for is a PH meter w/ temp. compensation to 70C+, which gives a temp. reading fast (5 secs?), and displays the temp. in C/F. Should I be looking for anything else which may be useful? Thanks, js. - -- Jean-Sebastien Morisset, Sc. Unix Administrator <mailto:jsmoriss at qc.bell.ca> Bell Canada, Routing and Trunking Asignments <http://www.bell.ca> Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 18:11:31 -0500 From: Jean-Sebastien Morisset <jsmoriss at qc.bell.ca> Subject: Re: Iodophor/Bleach At 15:54 02/01/97 -0500, Gerald J. Ginty wrote: >I have seen quit a few references to the use of iodophor. I have been >using bleach to clean for all of my brewing and bottling equipment. >In an effort to the clean up my act , so to speak, I was wondering >if there were any benefits to using iodophor over bleach or a combination >of both. In a recent positing, it was explained that this iodophor stuff >was a sanitizer. > >Basically, would bleach perform to same task, or is peferable to use both Bleach will oxydize most metals, including Stainless-Steel and Copper which are used very often in all-grain systems. If you want to sanitize metals, the prefered sanitizer is usually Iodophor. It isn't dangerous, doesn't cost much (although bleach is cheaper), and is easy to use. Typically, the dilution is 1 tsp. for 5 gals of cold water. This will sanitize in about 30 mins, although you can use higher concentrations to sanitize in 30 secs. I've used this higher concentration in a spray bottle (Windex type) to clean my work area and odds-n'-ends I sometimes forget to soak. :-) If you're only using plastic, bleach is probably just as good, although you have to be careful not to splash it around! <grin> Iodophor won't damage clothing like bleach, but it does have a tendancy to stain plastics when used at higher concentrations. You should always add Iodophor after your bucket is filled with water. If you do it the other way around, the bottom of your bucket will be stained yellow. :-) I use one or the other, depending on what I'm sanitizing... later! js. - -- Jean-Sebastien Morisset, Sc. Unix Administrator <mailto:jsmoriss at qc.bell.ca> Bell Canada, Routing and Trunking Asignments <http://www.bell.ca> Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 97 17:51:25 EST From: Brew Free Or Die 02-Jan-1997 1738 <hall at buffa.enet.dec.com> Subject: Re: PH meter and Temp. probe in single unit? In Homebrew Digest V2 #18, Jean-Sebastien Morisset <jsmoriss at qc.bell.ca> writes: >Subject: PH meter and Temp. probe in single unit? >From what I've read, several PH meters compensate for temperature. Do these PH >meters also display the temp.? I've been thinking of buying a temp. probe and >PH meter, but if I can get both in one unit.... Anyone know of some good >models? I have a Newport combination digital pH meter and thermometer (sorry, don't have the model number handy). It's a nice pH meter, because it temperature compenstates to 70C (158F, perfect for mashing), where many only go to 50C. However, I don't recommend it as a thermometer because it takes too darn long for the temperature reading to settle. Like 30-60 seconds long. I want to know the temperature *now*. So I also use a quality, quick-reading digital and/or analog thermometer (I've got a few; I like gadgets). - -- Dan Hall Digital Equipment Corporation MKO1-2/L09 Merrimack, NH 03054 hall at buffa.enet.dec.com (603) 884-5879 "Adhere to Schweinheitsgebot Don't put anything in your beer that a pig wouldn't eat" --David Geary Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 16:15:11 -0800 From: Kelly Jones <kejones at ptdcs2.intel.com> Subject: Propane gas regulators I fired up a new brew system for the first time yesterday. The burners are 160K BTU Brinkman ring burners, burning propane. I used a regulator/hose assembly that came with a propane space heater. The problem is, I got nowhere near 160K BTU from these things, even with the control valve wide open. In fact, I could barely maintain a boil in a 10 gal batch (something I was able to do easily with a 30K BTU natural gas burner). I'm wondering if the pressure regulator is not the right one. Are there different pressures at which LPG is used, or are all LPG regulators set to the same value? Has anyone else had similar problems with the Brinkman burners? Thanks for any help, Kelly Hillsboro, OR Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 02 Jan 1997 17:55:23 -0600 From: Tim DiAna <tdiana at worldnet.att.net> Subject: Priming and Bottling I am getting ready to bottle my first batch and I've read a couple of different sources that said 1 tsp sugar per is bottle is not recommended and that I should 3/4 cup of sugar in some water, how much?, and pour this into my bottling bucket and then siphon the beer into the bottling bucket. Does it make any difference which method I use or is there a better method out there. Thanks Tim - -- "I walked out of work and I was tired as hell another day come and gone, oh well, somewhere there's a drink with my name on it" Paul Westerberg Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 2 Jan 1997 21:21:57 -0500 From: BernardCh at aol.com Subject: Brewing Techniques Subscr. info Can somebody pelase E-mail me either an address or telephone number to subscrbe to Brewing Techniques magazine. Also what's the annual rate and frequency. thanks Chuck BernardCh at aol.com Music City Brewers, Nashville, TN - Music City USA Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 10:06:00 -0000 From: Graham Stone <gstone at dtuk.demon.co.uk> Subject: Clearing problem Before Christmas I brewed 2 x 5 gal. batches of pale ale on consecutive weekends to be ready for 15 Dec. and 22nd Dec. Both recipes were identical (4kg Maris Otter, Challenger/EKG, yeast salvaged from bottled Hopback Summer Lightning) with the exception that the second batch had 1% chocolate malt added. Both batches were fermented at 18-22C for 1 week before being transferred to a secondary and fermented for a further 1 week. Both batches were then transferred to kegs, had isinglass finings (Richie Products) added to the makers recommended dosage, dry hopped with a generous handful of EKG and conditioned at 10-15C for 4 weeks before sampling. The first batch was nothing like clear by the 15th Dec. but the second batch (supposed to be ready a week later) was already pretty clear. Both batches tasted good but the unclear one tasted pretty yeasty. By the time the second batch was supposed to be ready it tasted great (no yeastyness) and was nice and clear. However, the first batch had still not cleared and did not clear even when left a further 2 weeks. Eventually, I filtered it. Now both batches were perfectly clear and both tasted great. There is only one other difference between the 2 batches. The one which cleared was kegged in a spherical Beer Sphere (don't know the maker) whilst the one which remained cloudy was in a typical UK home brew keg which is like a vertically oriented traditional barrel (or pin, I suppose). There is a big difference between the height of the beer from top to bottom of these two containers. Could this account for should a phenomenon? Can anyone help? Any other tips on getting beer bright? How long do commercial breweries condition and fine real/cask conditioned ales? Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 10:37:55 -0000 From: Graham Stone <gstone at dtuk.demon.co.uk> Subject: CO2 bottles, Carbonoation and Corny kegs Here in the UK I don't think there are too many brewers who use Corny kegs (The Homebrew Shop in Farnborough, Surrey* got me mine - no affil....., blah, blah, blah...). We also have a major problem getting hold of reasonable size CO2 bottles. The home brew shops all sell small Soda Stream size (1'x2") bottles but it appears impossible to get hold of larger bottles (e.g. 15 lb +). One of the countries largest gas suppliers told me that it was illegal for a private individual to own a larger CO2 bottle on grounds of safety etc. If this is true, it's absurd! In my brewery I also have the remains of my SCUBA equipment which includes a 60 cu.ft air bottle. I understand that the bottles would have to be pressure checked from time to time and that if they fail you don't get them back - fine! Can anybody in the UK tell me how I can legally get hold of a reasonable size CO2 bottle which I can also readily get tested and filled? Next. Given that my Corny key is fitted directly with a pressure gauge which goes up to a max. of 30psi and that my gas bottle screws directly onto a value fitted through the oval lid to the keg, how can I adequately carbonate my lager (which is filtered, by the way) and how long will the process take? My keg is kept in the fridge at 3-10C and I've tried the shaking trick and also inverting the keg before injecting the gas (which worries me in case beer gets pushed into the pressure gauge). Both methods do add some carbonation but only really when the keg is half empty. I'm looking to carbonate the beer fairly generously even when the keg is full. Any good techniques? TIA Portsmouth, UK *Danny at deegee.demon.co.uk Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 08:56:51 -0100 From: "FCC(SW) Moore" <moorere at nassau.navy.mil> Subject: Free Range Chimay Ranching in Europa A question for yeast ranchers - I am currently in Europe, and have been drinking 9% Chimays and other fine brews of note, and had an idea - GET THE YEAST! I am having the same idea with several of the draught wiesens that are available here. I am rather inexperienced in such things, but I have access to a culture disk, agar, and a cotton swab. The Chimay is marked as being made in '95 and good 'til 2001. The questions: 1. Can I do this with what I have? 2. Is the Chimay too old? 3. Is the wiesen yeast that provides the banana/clove profile still viable when on draught? Thanks all! Rich Moore Interesting Saying of the Day: The man who doesn't read good books has no advantage over the man who can't read them. Mark Twain (1835-1910) Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 07:13:40 -0600 From: Paul Henning <phenning at cs.uiowa.edu> Subject: Re: Homebrew Digest V2 #19 AlK writes: > I've since put ball valves on both my kettles and put something very > much like an EasyMasher(tm) screen inside. This setup clogs with > pellets almost immediately, so I have switched to whole hops and now > I lose a bit more wort because I immersion chill and don't want > to... I finally had the bright idea to use this method on my last batch with my EM setup, also using an immersion chiller and whole hops. Two questions about this: (1) Do you whirlpool the wort? The only benefit I could see to doing this would be to increase the depth of the "trub-bed" over the EM screen. (2) This probably sounds crazy, but do you recirculate at all? It seems that you would be increasing your chances of infection for little gain, but I just had to finish the mashing analogy. Cheers! - --- Paul Henning | The truth is http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~phenning | out there. phenning at cs.uiowa.edu (finger for PGP public key) | Linux. "Make good money, $5 a day; Made any more, I might move away..." Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 03 Jan 97 08:19:21 EST From: gravels at TRISMTP.NPT.nuwc.navy.mil Subject: Splitting CO2 Lines Hi All, Someone was recently talking about splitting their CO 2 lines: >I'm going to have a two tap tower (say that 3 times >fast) on a chest freezer so I obviously need something to split the >CO2 output to the two kegs. I also plan on bottling sometimes using >a counter pressure filler so I'll need a CO2 line for that also. Here's what I do, I have a T that splits off just out of the regulator with a quick disconnect (QD) fitting attached. This is the female air system QD, I picked this up along with several fittings at a discount store for under three dollars. I have a rig that I made up with an air chuck on one end and a male QD on the other. This rig is used for pressurizing PET bottles and for use with my homemade counter pressure bottle filler. For the PET bottles, I drilled several of the plastic caps and inserted stainless steel tire stems (replaced the rubber seals with o-rings) into the caps and I now pressurize without the help of The Carbonator. I had a carbonator that spit it's guts into my beer. :^( This one is cheaper to boot. (Thanks Jeff!) For the counter pressure bottle filler I took an 18 inch racking cane, #2 drilled rubber stopper, an air needle (the type used to fill footballs) and a plastic tire stem extension. Place the rubber stopper on the end of the racking cane, drill a hole the size of the needle from the bottom of the stopper, insert the needle and attach the plastic tire stem extension. You now have an inexpensive and easily held and handled counter pressure bottle filler. It works great! I found this idea at The Brewery, sorry, I don't remember who the author was. In line after the first T is a hard plastic valve that allows me to isolate my kegs while I increase the pressure for the PET bottles. I can also use the valve on the regulator to isolate the kegs and bleed them off using the air chuck. My air line then goes into the fridge (not frig ;^) that's an activity) where it T's off to two kegs. If anyone has any questions feel free to send e-mail. Steve Gravel Newport, Rhode Island gravels at trismtp.npt.nuwc.navy.mil "Homebrew, it's not just a hobby, it's an adventure!" Return to table of contents
Date: 03 Jan 97 08:40:29 EST From: aesoph at ncemt1.ctc.com (Aesoph, Michael) Subject: Re: Hop Rhizomes Orval: > I'm ready to try growing some hops in my side pasture. Where can I get > the rhizomes? Do you have the name and number for West Coast suppliers? I've got 3 (out of 8 original) hop plants started in my living room. They don't seem to take well to indoor life. Anyway, I did an extensive search for hop Rhizomes recently and here are the results. Also, Freshops has a nice web page at ... http://www.teleport.com/~repmail/freshops.html Semplex of USA in MN Phone # 1 612 522 0500 Fax # 1 612 522 0579 The Brew Club Santa Cruz, CA 1-800-995-2739 Great Fermentations of Marin San Rafael, CA 1-800-570-BEER The Cellar Homebrew Seattle, WA 1-800-342-1871 South Bay Homebrew Supply Torrance, CA 1-800-608-BREW Freshops, Philomath, Oregon (800) 460-6925 Henry Field's Seed & Nursery Co. 415 North Burnett Shenandoah, Iowa 51602 Phone: 605-665-4491 Fax: 605-665-2601 Gurney's Seed & Nursery Co. 110 Capital Street Yankton, South Dakota 57079 Phone: 605-665-1671 Fax: 605-665-9718 Hopunion USA, Inc. Hops Growing and Processing Yakima, WA (509) 457-3200 ================================================== Michael D. Aesoph Associate Engineer ================================================== Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 08:47:57 -0600 From: Cory Wright <cwright at sun1.anza.com> Subject: Re: Short, intense ferment Michael Aesoph wrote: > The fermentation was extreme - a fierce, continuous expulsion of gas from the fermenter - but it didn't even last one day and now appears to be done. I know this is not normal, but is it acceptable??? I've never seen a fermenation this short before. Is it stuck perhaps?????? > You're right, it's not normal, but I would venture that it's not impossible, either. Have you checked the specific gravity? How does it compare to the starting gravity? If it is at an acceptably low level, let it sit for a few days and measure again. If you see no change, assume it's done and bottle as normal (or transfer to secondary if this is your norm). What, no hyrdrometer? Get one! Hope this helps. Cheers, Cory cwright at midcom.anza.com R&D engineer/ Webmaster by default Midcom, Inc. Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 08:12:55 -0700 From: Steve kemp <stevek at propwash.co.symbios.com> Subject: splitting gas lines Robert DeNeefe writes: >I've been saving my pennies and I'm now ready to start putting together >a kegging system. I'm going to have a two tap tower (say that 3 times >fast) on a chest freezer so I obviously need something to split the CO2 >output to the two kegs. I also plan on bottling sometimes using a >counter pressure filler so I'll need a CO2 line for that also. Foxx Equipment (no affilliation blah blah) sells manifolds just for that purpose. They come with a valve on each output which has a backflow preventer in it. These things are great. The shutoff/backflow valves allow you to pressurize kegs to different pressures. Believe they come in 2,3,or 4 outputs and if I remember correctly the 2 output goes for about $20 or get a 3 output and have an extra line for other uses. If you build your own keep in mind the shutoff/backflow valves as it's nice to be able to carbonate different styles of brews differently, or be force carbonating one keg at 30 lbs while keeping another around 12 lbs for serving. Happy brewing in '97! Steve Kemp Owner, Operator, Master Taster - Horseshoe Breweries Loveland Colorado. Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 10:23:46 -0500 From: Jean-Sebastien Morisset <jsmoriss at qc.bell.ca> Subject: Re: Iodophor/Bleach At 18:11 02/01/97 -0500, Jean-Sebastien Morisset wrote: > >the prefered sanitizer is usually Iodophor. It isn't dangerous, doesn't >cost much (although bleach is cheaper), and is easy to use. Typically, the >dilution is 1 tsp. for 5 gals of cold water. This will sanitize in about 30 >mins, although you can use higher concentrations to sanitize in 30 secs. Correction: The proper dilution is 1 tbsp (15 ml) per 5 gals, NOT 1 tsp (5 ml)! Good thing I re-read my message this morning.... ugh. later! js. - -- Jean-Sebastien Morisset, Sc. Unix Administrator <mailto:jsmoriss at qc.bell.ca> Bell Canada, Routing and Trunking Asignments <http://www.bell.ca> Return to table of contents
Date: 03 Jan 97 10:22:03 EST From: "David R. Burley" <103164.3202 at CompuServe.COM> Subject: Re: The meaning of Light Brewsters: Kevin Sinn of Windsor Ontario wrote: > Also, I recently brewed what was supposed to be a red ale, using 2 cans of > Coopers light unhopped extract. When I opened the cans, I was very > surprised to see that the extract was a dark, reddish colour. It smelled > and tasted fine. I was able to read a packaging date from the top of one > of the cans, and it was July, 1995. Could the extract darken in the can > over this period of time? > Kevin, One of the mysteries of brewing is the names associated with the various color beers. I mean you wouldn't call an IPA "pale" would you? Likewise, in my early days of brewing with Blue Ribbon Malt Extract, I was constantly perplexed at trying to figure out Pale, Extra Pale, Light, etc. So I finally realized it is all relative and depended on the current beer drinking habits when a particular style of beer was brewed and named for the first time. Light is darker than Pale and Light can be used to make a Pale ale ( which is darker than the American Pale) type of brew. All Better Now? I didn't think so. The can of Malt extract you got was probably just fine and hadn't darkened excessively in the can. Remember Light is dark and Pale is light. Happy New Year and Keep on brewin' Dave Burley Kinnelon, NJ 07405 103164.3202 at compuserve.com Voice e-mail OK Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 09:21:05 -0600 From: David Burki <davidb at pdainc.com> Subject: Bottling Time? On New Years Day, I brewed my second batch. As a novice that's been = lurking for a couple of months I have a question. I brewed from a kit = (American Micro Style) obtained at my local homebrew store. I followed = the instructions (except I pitched 2 packets of Muntons dry yeast = instead of just 1) and all went well. Fermentation began within 6 hours = and was vigorous for about 18+ hours. When I got home from work = yesterday (30 hr. after pitching) there was no sign of active = fermentation. Temp has remained pretty constant at 70 deg. I was = rushed towards the end and neglected to take a SG reading, so I can't = give you that. What's the deal here? Have I got a stuck fermentation = or am I just paranoid? My first batch (purely extract) went OK, just = very little carbonation after 3+ weeks in the bottle so I'm anxious for = this batch to be "perfect". Any thoughts/comments appreciated. TIA BTW the instructions indicate fermentation should last "3 to 7 days" and = bottle when FG is 1.005 - 1.010. Ingredients included 3.3 lb. LME, 2 = lb. DME, 12 oz crushed crystal grain plus bittering and finishing hops. David The (fledgling) Long Draw Brewery Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 09:36:08 -0600 From: Mike Urseth <beernote at realbeer.com> Subject: Water Chemistry vs. Love A brewing/relationship quandry has reared its ugly head. My sweetie want me to move into her country home. It's an older farmhouse in the wilds of Wisconsin. My concern is the water. It seems to be hard on copper plumbing. There is blue-green corrosion at flare fittings and it leaves a blue-green tint where the old faucet leaked for a while. I haven't had a chance to get the water tested yet. What sort of water condition would cause this? How would this effect brewing? Would celibacy be better than trying to brew with this water? Thanks in advance to all you water chemistry geeks. Mike Urseth Editor & Publisher Midwest Beer Notes 339 Sixth Avenue Clayton, WI 54004 715-948-2990 ph. 715-948-2981 fax e-mail: beernote at realbeer.com Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 10:30:55 -0500 From: Jean-Sebastien Morisset <jsmoriss at qc.bell.ca> Subject: Re: Priming and Bottling At 17:55 02/01/97 -0600, Tim DiAna wrote: >I am getting ready to bottle my first batch and I've read a couple of >different sources that said 1 tsp sugar per is bottle is not recommended >and that I should 3/4 cup of sugar in some water, how much?, and pour >this into my bottling bucket and then siphon the beer into the bottling >bucket. Does it make any difference which method I use or is there a >better method out there. Thats the standard method. I would recommend using Corn Sugar instead of regular table sugar, if you have some around. The Corn Sugar tends to give a cleaner taste once it's fermented. The measured quantity is about the same too. One suggestion I'd make would be to weigh your priming sugar once you've measured your 3/4 cups. If you like the level of carbonation, it's always easier to re-measure the exact amount by weight than volume. Oh, and keep your Corn Sugar in a dry place so it doesn't soak up moisture and change weight! :-) later! js. - -- Jean-Sebastien Morisset, Sc. Unix Administrator <mailto:jsmoriss at qc.bell.ca> Bell Canada, Routing and Trunking Asignments <http://www.bell.ca> Return to table of contents
Date: 03 Jan 97 10:50:36 EST From: Rory Stenerson <71762.1664 at CompuServe.COM> Subject: First all-grain (Darrin P.) Stuck sparging....I can relate to that. I experienced a stuck sparge the first time I used my Gott 5 gal mash/lauter tun only I was using a Listerman Phalse Bottom. I suddenly became the Turrets brewer. That was my first and last stuck sparge after I figured out that I should use a spoon to hold the phalse bottom flush with the bottom and one to stir and s-l-o-w-l-y add the grain and stir at the same time. I also recommend that you use one of those nice big/long temperature probes from Williams to accurately test your mash. I suspect you're getting some inaccurate reads from just the top half of your mash. You might find it hotter towards the bottom. Good luck, have fun, and happy all-grain brewing. Rory Stenerson, S.C.U.M. Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 7:52:04 -0800 (PST) From: Jim Cave <CAVE at PSC.ORG> Subject: Author line, Jim Cave One aspect of the old HBD that I miss is a statement of the authorship (or ea-mail address) of each post in the subject area. For the time being, may I suggest that we put these in ourselves? Jim Cave Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 97 08:53 PST From: Charles Burns <cburns at egusd.k12.ca.us> Subject: re: First all-grain (Darrin P.) Darrin writes about his first all grain "can you say stuck sparge"... Well, I think the key here is the other little quote "Hell with any sparging...". Darrin never did say that he started sparging. The key to an easy flowing sparge is to keep at least 1 inch of water on top of the grain bed. This helps to prevent channeling and my guess is it would also keep your grainbed from turning into "cement". As far as the bubbles getting into the loose tubing, you've got to just shove that tubing a little farther up onto the spigot, then pinch the tubing where the bubbles are appearing. This works for me. Charley Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 12:01:13 -0500 From: PVanslyke at aol.com Subject: re: keeping the hops out of the fermenter > >Lenny writes: >>I recently switched from whole to pellet hops. In my last batch, I >>whirlpooled the wort after cooling and before transfer to fermentor. >>However, it was impossible to not have the hops go along without losing half >>of the wort, so I transferred the whole lot and racked to secondary after a >>couple days, leaving behind the settled hops. >> >>How does one leave the pellet hops behind without losing lots of wort? > > Al writes: >I used to use pellet hops in the boil and put them in hop bags. Actually, >I used fine-mesh, white nylon bags used for some winemaking purpose and >simply tied a knot in the bag to keep the hops in. Yes, I believe that >hop utilization was reduced, which is why I added 10% more hops than >the Rager formulae from the Hops Special Issue of Zymurgy recommended. >The resulting IBU levels were very close (based upon tests done at >Siebel). After the boil, I could pull out 95% of the hop pellets (or >99.9% of whole hops) by simply pulling out the bag. I did lose maybe >8 fl.oz. (perhaps 250ml) of wort to the hops. > >I've since put ball valves on both my kettles and put something very >much like an EasyMasher(tm) screen inside. This setup clogs with >pellets almost immediately, so I have switched to whole hops and now >I lose a bit more wort because I immersion chill and don't want to >risk squeezing the spent hops to get out the last quart (about a liter) >of wort. My main reason for switching to this system was so that I >could drain the kettle without splashing (I was concerned about >infection from airborne nasties), but the incredibly clear wort >seems to be an added benefit (the whole hop bed retains virtually >all the hot and cold break. >Al. > I just had surgery done on my kettle yesterday to accomplish much the same thing. Al, what type of screen do you use? Paul VanSlyke >>> Brewing and relaxing in Deposit,NY Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 09:05:14 -0800 From: "Brander Roullett (Volt Computer)" <a-branro at MICROSOFT.com> Subject: Kettle mashing. > I used a 5 gal. Gott with an EasyMasher. I have heard this term tossed around quite a bit, What EXACTLY is an "EasyMasher". I am getting ready to modify my brew kettle (5 Gal) so i can try Kettle Mashing (and consequently start ALL GRAIN Brewing) and would like to bounce my plan off of you all. My Plan... drill a hole in the sidewall of my kettle as close to the bottom as my spigot (tbd) will let me, and the i will add some sort of False Bottom. My intent, and reason for this is to put my "grain bill" into the kettle, bring the temp up to 150 degrees. let sit for an hour. then Mashout, by raising the temp up to 170. then i will drain off the liquid into a plastic bucket, clean the grain out of my kettle, pour in wort, bring to a boil, and add whole hops and adjuncts. If nothing else this will give me a brew kettle that will give me clear wort, and leave the gunk behind (hops, etc), but i think this may be an easy and inexpensive way to get into all grain brewing. Reference -> http://alpha.rollanet.org/library/KettleARF.html Kettle Mashing, by Jack Schmidling <- Questions I have... I need to get a spigot to install into the bottom on of my Kettle. Help and suggestions on type that works best for cheap, and methods of install and leakproofing? What is an easy AND cheap way to put a false bottom in my kettle? Has anyone used the kettle mashing method successfully, and would recomend it? Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 09:12:15 -0800 From: "Brander Roullett (Volt Computer)" <a-branro at MICROSOFT.com> Subject: decanting of yeast to culture question >the beer bottle and decant off the beer (and drink it) leaving about a >quarter of the beer in the bottle. Then sanitize the top of the bottle with >alcohol. Swirl the sediment in the bottle and pour the cooled sugar water Use a disposable lighter to flame the top of the bottle and you can drink 95% of the beer and leave only 5% in the bottle -- that will be enough. what is the best way to "decant" the beer out of the bottle, pouring seems like it would lose too much of the yeast. siphoning seems like you would drink most of it trying to get suction started? i am going to start culturing yeast soon, and need to know the best or at least workable ways before i start. thanks in advance.. Brander Roullett Return to table of contents
Date: 03 Jan 1997 09:17:46 -0800 From: Dion Hollenbeck <hollen at axel.vigra.com> Subject: Re: RIMS pump speed control >> Marty Tippin writes: MT> Keith Royster asks whether he can use a ceiling fan controller to MT> adjust the motor speed of his RIMS pump. MT> When I was researching pumps for my system, I asked the guys at MT> March Pump Co. about whether there was a way to control the speed MT> of their motor, and they recommended against it. Unfortunately, I MT> can't recall all the details but it had something to do with the MT> motor being "single phase" - whatever that is. Seems like they MT> even said it just plain wouldn't work; in any case, I decided not MT> to tempt fate. MT> Their recommendation was to simply use a ball valve on the output MT> side (as Keith is currently doing) to control the flow. Well, I have a Little Giant which looks so much like a March it is laughable. I called the Little Giant technical support and got the same story, that one should control it with a valve on the output side, but they did say that the motor was of the "universal" type. And the fan speed controller I use says specifically that it is for universal motors. I have used this for 3 years and about 30 batches as well as numerous tests of several hours duration with no noticeable ill effects to the motor. However, there is one thing to watch out for. These type of motors have an internal fan and if the motor is controlled to slow down the flow rate, the fan cooling may not be adequate. This should be the only thing which would damage the motor, that it gets too hot while rotating slowly. If you cannot hold your hand on your motor after it has been pumping for a while, then I would suggest that you can get a muffin fan and do force cooling with it in addition to the internal fan of the motor. But my 1/8hp motor in my system does not have this problem and I have to slow it waaaay down in order to not compact the grain bed. Your mileage may vary. dion - -- Dion Hollenbeck (619)597-7080x164 Email: hollen at vigra.com http://www.vigra.com/~hollen Sr. Software Engineer - Vigra Div. of Visicom Labs San Diego, California Return to table of contents
Date: 03 Jan 1997 09:17:20 -0800 From: Dion Hollenbeck <hollen at axel.vigra.com> Subject: Re: RIMS pump speed control >> Marty Tippin writes: MT> Keith Royster asks whether he can use a ceiling fan controller to MT> adjust the motor speed of his RIMS pump. MT> When I was researching pumps for my system, I asked the guys at MT> March Pump Co. about whether there was a way to control the speed MT> of their motor, and they recommended against it. Unfortunately, I MT> can't recall all the details but it had something to do with the MT> motor being "single phase" - whatever that is. Seems like they MT> even said it just plain wouldn't work; in any case, I decided not MT> to tempt fate. MT> Their recommendation was to simply use a ball valve on the output MT> side (as Keith is currently doing) to control the flow. Well, I have a Little Giant which looks so much like a March it is laughable. I called the Little Giant technical support and got the same story, that one should control it with a valve on the output side, but they did say that the motor was of the "universal" type. And the fan speed controller I use says specifically that it is for universal motors. I have used this for 3 years and about 30 batches as well as numerous tests of several hours duration with no noticeable ill effects to the motor. However, there is one thing to watch out for. These type of motors have an internal fan and if the motor is controlled to slow down the flow rate, the fan cooling may not be adequate. This should be the only thing which would damage the motor, that it gets too hot while rotating slowly. If you cannot hold your hand on your motor after it has been pumping for a while, then I would suggest that you can get a muffin fan and do force cooling with it in addition to the internal fan of the motor. But my 1/8hp motor in my system does not have this problem and I have to slow it waaaay down in order to not compact the grain bed. Your mileage may vary. dion - -- Dion Hollenbeck (619)597-7080x164 Email: hollen at vigra.com http://www.vigra.com/~hollen Sr. Software Engineer - Vigra Div. of Visicom Labs San Diego, California Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 3 Jan 1997 09:34:32 -0800 From: "Brander Roullett (Volt Computer)" <a-branro at microsoft.com> Subject: Pale Ale Recipe comments? Below is the Pale Ale recipe i am refining. i was wondering if can get some comments from you more experienced brewers. Also the half poud of Cara-Pils, do i need to have some Pale Malt (grain) mashed with it to extract all of the good stuff? i heard a rumor about it. i have done this recipie without the carapils, dry yeast, and Pellet hops. i am trying to refine it a bit more, but the first batch was EXCELLENT. I loved the light taste of lemon along with the bitter tast of the hops. Mmmm... Pale Moonlight Ale Category : American Pale Ale Method : Partial Mash Starting Gravity : 1.044 Ending Gravity : 1.011 Alcohol content : 4.3% Recipe Makes : 5.0 gallons Total Grain : 1.50 lbs. Color (srm) : 14.8 Efficiency : 75% Hop IBUs : 36.2 Malts/Sugars: 1.00 lb. Honey 0.50 lb. Cara-Pils Dextrine 1.00 lb. Crystal 60L 4.00 lb. Alexanders Pale Extract Hops: 1.00 oz. Cascade 7.8% 60 min 1.00 oz. Cascade 7.8% 2 min Notes: Primary: peel of 1 lemon Yeast: cultured from Sierra Nevada Pale Ale. Hops: Whole Cascade hops in muslin bag. - -- Badger, Innkeep of the Inn at Amberhaven (SCA Frederic Badger, Red Tree Pursuivant, Barony of Madrone, An Tir) (Work Brander Roullett, Software Tester, Microsoft, Seattle Wa, a-branro at microsoft.com) badger at nwlink.com http://www.nwlink.com/~badger/badgbeer.html Brander Roullett badger at nwlink.com www.nwlink.com/~badger/ Filled with mingled cream and amber I will drain that glass again. Such hilarious visions clamber Through the chambers of my brain --- Quaintest thoughts --- queerest fancies Come to life and fade away; Who cares how time advances? I am drinking ale today. - Edgar Allan Poe Return to table of contents
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