HOMEBREW Digest #2377 Tue 18 March 1997

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Contents:
  toxic beers and Papazian's books... ("Nathan L. Kanous II")
  Flaked Barley in Stout (Tom Lochtefeld (Risk Mgt))
  SE PA Road Trip Report/Fresh Pils (William D Gladden )
  hops (Mark Pfortmiller)
  Finicky Hops........ (Aesoph, Michael)
  Re: glatt mill rollers (Dion Hollenbeck)
  Cleaning Aluminum (Terry White)
  Re: Just Hops packaging ... (Scott Abene)
  yeast problems/hops plants (John Penn)
  RE: Mash efficiency (Ganister Fields Architects)
  Beer, buckets, and bad knees (Jim Lanik)
  Re: decoction at mashout (Jeff Renner)
  slow fermentations (Joe Shope)
  RE: Glatt mill rollers ("Sornborger, Nathan")
  San Jose Airport area Brewpubs? (Charles Burns)
  cheap kegs and co2 cylinders (Nathan Moore)
  HBD distribution list ("Karl F. Lutzen")
  Corn Meal vs. Flaked Maize (Russ Brodeur)
  Toxicity ("David R. Burley")
  RE: pedios (homo/hetero) - why? (Steve Alexander)
  Real Ale (korz)
  Dominion Cup Competition (Jeff Hewit)
  Edme Pressure Barrel (Doug Otto)

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---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 07:03:55 +0000 From: "Nathan L. Kanous II" <nkanous at tir.com> Subject: toxic beers and Papazian's books... I believe that the table in the back of the Companion refers to chemical standards to reproduce those aromas and flavors and that those standards may be toxic, not your beer. At least that's how I interpret it and I haven't died yet. Yes, I pressure can my starters. Nathan Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 97 07:13:59 EST From: toml at fcmc.COM (Tom Lochtefeld (Risk Mgt)) Subject: Flaked Barley in Stout A while back someone suggested adding flaked barley to a standard stout "kit" to give the final product a much creamier head. Can someone tell me if I should strain the flaked barley out after the boil, or if I should just let it ferment all week with he flaked barley in the wort. Should I rack to secondary after a few days? Regards, Tom Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 08:38:50 -0500 From: William D Gladden <W_GLADDEN at Mail.Co.Chester.PA.US> Subject: SE PA Road Trip Report/Fresh Pils Greetings all, Recent threads have included discussions of skunking and favorite six packs. I too have been baffled by getting skunked Heineken on draft and am a fan of Pilsner Urquell but it is hard to find in good condition. So you can imagine my good fortune when I visited that small decoction brewery in Southeast PA, Victory Brewing Company in Downingtown and tasted their reformulated Pils. WOW!!!!! Man am I glad it is now available in bottles. I've read HBD comments where people proclaim "it screamed Saaz." Well, it did. I encourage anyone in the area to check it out. Question to Jim Busch ... how do you guys *do that*? Do you dry hop? A Huge late addition? Any bittering hops? Any insights on the hop rate, schedule, and variety(s) used would be appreciated. Most hbers I know gravitate toward big beers. I used to get away with telling them I had to homebrew lagers and Pils to get stellar noble hop flavor in a full bodied Pils or lager without it being too stale or skunked. So much for that! No affilliation etc..... Bill Gladden Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 15:07:00 -0500 From: Mark Pfortmiller <MPFORTMILLER at PRINTPACK.COM> Subject: hops A few weeks someone gave me the number to call to order hops for planting. I've called that number but have not recieved the catalog yet. Of course i threw out the number after I called. Could someone please resend me the number? Private e-mail ok TIA Return to table of contents
Date: 17 Mar 97 09:06:44 EST From: aesoph at ncemt1.ctc.com (Aesoph, Michael) Subject: Finicky Hops........ Dear All: I was given some hops by a kind and generous man (thanks Keith!) recently. He sent me about 20+ rhizomes each of cascade and pearle hops. I planted them all immediately and waited with intense excitement. It is now several weeks later and most of the Cascades have several shoots per rhizome and at least 2-6 inches of growth, but NOTHING from the pearle hops - absolutely nothing. All conditions are similar. Can anyone suggest something to wake these hops up???? As for planting conditions, they are all indoors under artificial light, which seems to work fine. ================================================== Michael D. Aesoph Associate Engineer ================================================== Return to table of contents
Date: 17 Mar 1997 07:20:29 -0800 From: Dion Hollenbeck <hollen at axel.vigra.com> Subject: Re: glatt mill rollers >> Sornborger, Nathan writes: >> >> Keith wrote: >>> My glatt mill gears stripped during grinding of 10 lb of raw wheat a few >>> weeks ago. Searching previous HBD turned up threads on successfully >>> replacing these gears with metal ones. However I have not been able to >>> contact anyone directly who has done this. Does anyone have a CAD drawing >>> that they have used to successfully produce new metal gears? Mine are >>> pretty mashed and would be difficult to use to model new ones. TIA. >> I have never seen one of these mills but heard they have plastic >> gears, is this correct? Under the assumption it is, they can be >> replaced with metal ones but I wouldn't want to pay to machine >> them, especially when they can be bought for a few bucks a >> piece. If you can tell me the center distance, shaft diameter, and >> key size (if any) I will tell you some part numbers and who you can >> get them from. I will post this info as you probably aren't the >> only person this has happened to. Well, here is the info : Glatt Mill Replacement Aluminum Gears $40 + 6.50 ship & hdlg D J Manufacturing Company P. O. Box 676 Tunkhannock, PA 18657 717-836-2229 FAX 717-836-5089 Nick Aletras <naletras at epix.net> www.deltadj.com/glatt And while these are beautifully made gears, I STRONGLY suggest against using them. Nick made these gears without ever seeing the mill and as such, they PREVENT the mill from ever being adjusted. Instead of 8 very deep flower-petal shaped gear lobes which allow meshing no matter how close or far apart the shafts are, the aluminum gears have about 100 teeth that are less than 1/8" deep. The only adjustment to your grind you can make is to make the gears mesh correctly (not too loose, not too tight) and while this adjustment may be right for the gears, it is not necessarily right for the mill. If you want to buy stock replacement gears for the Glatt, try: Jim's Homebrew Supply N 2619 Division Spokane, WA 99207 (509)328-4850 (800)326-7769 Also, I made an error in installation of the gears and got them adjusted too tight and this caused my mill to slow down due to torsion on the shafts holding the rollers and that overheated the bearings and that caused them to grab on the shaft more and the whole thing locked up. That caused the set screws in the aluminum gears to rotate on the shaft locking the gears on the shaft permanently. If you do install the aluminum gears, do it with the roll pins, do not use the set screws alone. And make sure to leave enough free play between the gears so that they do not bind the shafts in the bearings. Bottom line, I had to order a complete set of stock gears and bearings and hacksaw off the aluminum gears and completely rebuild my mill from the ground up. dion - -- Dion Hollenbeck (619)597-7080x164 Email: hollen at vigra.com http://www.vigra.com/~hollen Sr. Software Engineer - Vigra Div. of Visicom Labs San Diego, California Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 10:28:28 -0500 From: terry at brewfellows.com (Terry White) Subject: Cleaning Aluminum Hi All, A friend of mine recently gave me a 60 quart Aluminium Stock pot, now I don't want to revive that old "can I brew in aluminum" thread, but the pot looks like it was used to deep fry and no one cleaned it so it is covered with dried cooking oil, does anyone know how to clean this pot? Thank you very much, Terry White Brewfellow's Beer & Wine Making Supplies Buffalo,NY http://www.brewfellows.com Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 09:26:54 -0600 From: Scott Abene <skotrat at wwa.com> Subject: Re: Just Hops packaging ... >Steve Alexander <stevea at clv.mcd.mot.com> wrote: >I have personally ordered whole hops from Just Hops over the past several >years, from Kellum and recently from Lujan, and have always gotten my hops >in oxygen barrier vaccuum sealed bags. Same friendly service from Pete >too. Just hops also runs some pretty great specials on hops and I believe they will forget about shipping if your order is over $45. The hops I received were some of the best I have used in a long time. -Scott ################################################################ # ThE-HoMe-BrEw-RaT # # Scott Abene <skotrat at wwa.com> # # http://miso.wwa.com/~skotrat (the Homebrew "Beer Slut" page) # # OR # # http://miso.wwa.com/~skotrat/Brew-Rat-Chat/ (Brew-Rat-Chat) # # "Get off your dead ass and brew" # # "If beer is liquid bread, maybe bread is solid beer" # ################################################################ Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 12:59:56 +0000 From: John Penn <john_penn at jhuapl.edu> Subject: yeast problems/hops plants Tried a partial mash version of a SNPA clone all grain recipe from the Cat's Meow. The brewing went well but I had problems with my yeast starting. Recipe: 1/2 # Carapils 1/2 # pale malt 1/2 # wheat malt (thought I'd try to get more head retention) Did a mini-mash/minimal sparge in a 1 gallon cooler of these. Then steeped 3/4 # 60L Crystal Boiled 6# M&F light extract syrup 1.5 oz. Perle (7.3%) in a 2.5 gallon boil (45 mins-2:1) 0.5 oz Cascade (5.5%) (15 mins-flavor) 1.0 oz Cascade (1-2 mins-aromna) OG measured--~1.051, expected--~1.050 After cooling to about 70 or so, combined with 2.5 gallons or so of pre-boiled/cooled water and pitched Nottingham dry yeast which was rehydrated in a 70F starter of pre-boiled water with a little liquid extract. The starter wasn't going great and the temp was a little low but I had some problems previously with my starters being too warm so I wanted to start closer to pitching temperature. Previously I had switched from 80F starters to 90F starters and while they started well, I think I temperature shocked the yeast while pitching to the cooled wort because nothing happened! Well after a day--nothing. Added another pack of Nottingham dry yeast directly to the wort and aerated. Another day of no activity and I pitched some 1084 Wyeast from a starter I had made previously and had been in the refrigerator some time. Warmed up the 1084 yeast starter and fermenter in a bath of warm water to increase the temperature and activity and pitched at 75F versus a previously cooler 65F. Third day, nothing so I added half a packet of my last Nottingham dry yeast packet, thinking I'd pitch the rest later if it started. Except for this half packet, I had previously aerated and pitched yeast three times! Well this packet started finally so I aerated one last time and the next day it was bubbling away happily. I've never had this much trouble with yeast, especially dry. All my early batches went well and only lately have I been having problems, possibly a temperature shock problem. So what could it be? I wondered if I had a miniscule bleach residue which evaporated/disappated over a couple of days so that my later yeast took? Bad dry yeast? Too cold a refrigerator for the yeast? Any body have any ideas on what could be wrong with such a bad start? Also, aerating before fermentation is supposed to be OK, but is aerating three or four times over three days OK? Hope the beer turns out OK, probably will. As for hop plants, for those in MD, the homebrew store in Columbia, MD is taking orders for the next month or so? If I didn't have a dog, I'd consider it myself but I'm worried about the dog/hop poisoning problem. No affiliation, blah, blah, blah. John Penn Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 11:18:46 -0600 From: Ganister Fields Architects <gfarch at tiac.net> Subject: RE: Mash efficiency Jim Hust of Lincoln NE in HBD #2376 asks: >How does one measure the efficiency of the mash and sparge? Miller has a neat chart in his book (I think I have seen this info elsewhere too) of maximum obtainable extract yields of fermentables with homebrewing equipment. If you divide your final gravity 56 (not 1.056) by the max. obtainable you will get your extraction efficiency. The rates given are for pounds of material per gallon of water so you need to divide this number by your expected final yield (after boiling). The chart is as much about recipe formulation as it is about your system efficiency. You can use those extract rates (multiplied by your system's efficiency of course) to formulate your own recipes. If you find yourself low on some grain, you can add appropriate amounts of other fermentables such as flaked maize or DME to reach your target gravity. Your system's efficiency will also vary depending on factors such as mash pH and water chemistry. Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 09:36:29 -0700 From: Jim Lanik <jlanik at plinet.com> Subject: Beer, buckets, and bad knees Greetings all About five weeks ago I decided to jump feet first into the wonderful world of lager beers (an Anchor Steam clone using Wyeast 2112). Perhaps I should have gone in head first as I had to have knee surgery about two weeks later (from a non-beer related football injury). The doctor found a lot more wrong with my knee than he thought, and instead of walking around the day after surgery, I am confined to crutches for another 4 weeks. I ferment my beers in the crawlspace under my house. During the winter, the temperature down there stays at a pretty constant 56 degrees, give or take a few, hence the higher temp lager yeast (temp during the summer down there is about 68). However, springtime is rapidly approaching here in Denver and it is supposed to be in the 80s later this week. I know that we have yet to see the last of winter around here, but the huge temperature swings and steady upward climb of average temp are making me nervous. Because of my knee I can't get down into the crawlspace to get the carboy out to bottle the beer, and my wife isn't strong enough to do it. The way my knee is recovering, I won't be able to get the carboy until the end of April. What will the steadily increasing temeperature do to my beer? Should I just leave it and hope for the best, or should I have one of my friends wrestle the carboy out of there for me? TIA for any and all responses. Private email fine. Jim Lanik jlanik at plinet.com Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 12:17:19 -0500 From: Jeff Renner <nerenner at umich.edu> Subject: Re: decoction at mashout jwilkins at imtn.tpd.dsccc.com (John Wilkinson) wrote: >Jeff Renner wrote: > >>The point of mashout is to destroy enzymes and stabilize the wort. > >I have heard this before but never understood it. Why destroy the enzymes? >What is meant by "stabilize the wort"? If there is starch present in the >wort, wouldn't you want the enzymes to remain active to reduce them? If >there is no uncoverted starch present, what difference does it make if the >enzymes are denatured or not? > >I know Jeff knows a hell of a lot more about brewing than I do but the only >reason I can see for raising the mash temperature to ~170F would be to >promote the dissolving of sugars into the liquid. > >Where have I gone wrong in my thinking? Thanks for the compliment. At the end of a proper mash, all the free starch should have been converted. You should also have the balance of easily fermentable simple sugars and slower fermenting dextrins that you want, so you mash out to fix this balance, or stabilize the wort, by destroying the enzymes. Whisky makers do not mash out since they want to maximize the fermentables, which of course results in more alcohol. The conversion continues during runoff in this case. A proper mashout is conducted at a high enough temperature (170F) to denature mash enzymes but not so high as to liberate more starch (maybe 180F). The small amount of remaining starch is what would have been liberated and converted in a decotion mash, which is one reason such a mash gets a few more points than infusion mashes. In an infusion mash, we want to keep this remaining starch out of the wort after the enzymes are inactivated, because it would cause a starch haze and possibly an opportunity for bacteria which could feed on the starch. As you mention, another reason for mashout is the greater solubility of the sugars. Yet another reason is that wort has a lower viscosity, that is, it flows more easily, at higher temperatures. Note that some HBDers, most notably Jack Schmidling, have reported sparging with boiling water with no resulting haze. My guess is that liberated starches remain trapped in the top levels of the grain bed if there is no stirring of the bed. Middle and lower levels of the bed remain cooler than the critical temperature. Addendum: After posting the above and cc'ing John, he replied wondering if this meant that the mash time was more critical than he had thought. I hadn't thought about this aspect. I usually mash 1-2 hours, but used to do overnight mashes in the oven with no apparent overconversion. Any thoughts from the readership? Is wort stabilization more theoretical than real. Is a 1-2 hour mash effectively stabilzed? Jeff -=-=-=-=- Jeff Renner in Ann Arbor, Michigan c/o nerenner at umich.edu Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 09:26:24 +0000 From: Joe Shope <sltp5 at cc.usu.edu> Subject: slow fermentations Two weeks ago I brewed an amber ale and when I went to pitch my yeast I noticed an "unusual" smell in my starter. I discarded it and immediately "smacked" a new pack of Wyeast 1056. I moved the carboy to the basement where the temp is 50F until the new yeast was ready to pitch. The next day the pack had swollen and so I pitched the yeast at 50F. My guess was that the low temp would inhibit any unwanted guests and eventually the yeast would take off. Four days later, and after I had moved the carboy to 64F, there were finally visible signs of fermentation. Fermentation lasted about 4 days at a slow pace. This past Saturday I racked to my secondary and took a gravity reading, the OG was 1.052 and on Sat it was 1.030. I have now started another starter (1L) and I am planning to repitch when it is ready. My questions are: 1.) Should I have moved the carboy to warmer temps to help the yeast? 2.) Should I have left the carboy at 50F whilst I started more yeast? 3.) Was repitching a good idea, and should I have done it earlier? 4.) Are there negative effects associated with the addition of more yeast? I haven't had this problem before so any advice will be appreciated. Joe Shope, Logan, UT Fermentin' in the Promised Land Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 12:47:34 -0500 From: "Sornborger, Nathan" <nsornborger at email.mc.ti.com> Subject: RE: Glatt mill rollers Dion Hollenbeck said: >Glatt Mill Replacement Aluminum Gears $40 + 6.50 ship & hdlg I still don't know the roller diameter on the Glatt, but if it were 2", Steel replacement gears would be about $16 ea. >And while these are beautifully made gears, I STRONGLY suggest against >using them. Nick made these gears without ever seeing the mill and as >such, they PREVENT the mill from ever being adjusted. Instead of 8 >very deep flower-petal shaped gear lobes which allow meshing no matter >how close or far apart the shafts are, the aluminum gears have about >100 teeth that are less than 1/8" deep. The only adjustment to your >grind you can make is to make the gears mesh correctly (not too loose, >not too tight) and while this adjustment may be right for the gears, >it is not necessarily right for the mill. Spur gears come in two types, 20=B0 pressure angle and 14-1/2=B0 = pressure angle. For each type there are various tooth sizes defined by diametral pitch, which is the number of teeth in the gear for each inch of pitch diameter. 14-1/2=B0 PA gears are less sensitive to center distance variation than 20=B0, so for adjustable mills they would be better. Additionally the fewer teeth, the more the gears can be disengaged and still work. When I have made small rolling mills in the past, (including my malt mill) I size the gears so that their pitch diameter is the same as the roller diameter, this allows the rollers to be brought together until they touch. I also use a 14-1/2=B0 PA and the largest teeth I can get away with so that they work well until the rollers are far enough apart so that the grain would just fall through. It sounds as if the designer of the mill knew enough to make the mill and market it but didn't do much research about gearing. >Also, I made an error in installation of the gears and got them >adjusted too tight and this caused my mill to slow down due to torsion >on the shafts holding the rollers and that overheated the bearings and >that caused them to grab on the shaft more and the whole thing locked >up. That caused the set screws in the aluminum gears to rotate on the >shaft locking the gears on the shaft permanently. If you do install >the aluminum gears, do it with the roll pins, do not use the set >screws alone. And make sure to leave enough free play between the >gears so that they do not bind the shafts in the bearings. Never ever use gears made of aluminum!! It is soft and has very little lubricity. Spur gears are to be made of plastics for light duty, bronze, brass or steel. Roll pinning them was the best you could do with what you had although they really should be keyed to the shafts.=20 >Bottom line, I had to order a complete set of stock gears and bearings >and hacksaw off the aluminum gears and completely rebuild my mill from >the ground up. I realize that for the price the mill is probably ok. It seems to suffer from some poor designing though.=20 Nate Sornborger, Barrington RI Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 97 10:54 PST From: cburns at egusd.k12.ca.us (Charles Burns) Subject: San Jose Airport area Brewpubs? I apologize for this intrusion on the hbd for non-brewing related question but its hard to pass up on a knowlegeable group like this for such important information. My brother arrives Sunday at noon from Georgia at the San Jose Int'l airport. He'll be hungry and thirsty when he arrives and wants to lunch at the best brewpub that's close by. Suggestions by private email would be greatly appreciated. I have no experience in San Jose, I just told him to buy the cheapest plane ticket he could get for anywhere in northern CA. He picked the airport farthest away from where I lived (Murphy's Stout law?). Charley cburns at egusd.k12.ca.us Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 12:39:43 -0700 (MST) From: Nathan Moore <moorent at bechtel.Colorado.EDU> Subject: cheap kegs and co2 cylinders I keep reading/hearing stories about people finding $5 Cornelius kegs and $15 5lb CO2 cylinders. I searched the archives and still don't have a clue about were to find these. If you know of a source please pass it on. I live in Denver but don't mind paying shipping if I find a good deal. If anyone remembers I am the one that was planning to bottle 5 plus batches in PET bottles for my wedding. Well, I wimped out and am buying the keg system. Thats what credit is for, right? One more question. How much beer can you draw with a 5lb CO2 cylinder and is there a limit to how many kegs you can branch it off to. If any one wants me to share the results of part one of this question send me an email and I will foreward them to you. Nathan Moore Denver, CO Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 12:53:35 -0600 (CST) From: "Karl F. Lutzen" <lutzen at alpha.rollanet.org> Subject: HBD distribution list Just to put all worries to rest about the distribution list of the HBD, the list is: a) Not available outside of the system. No direct email into the server can access the distribution list. So no spamming through this method. Period. You just can't do it! (AND BOY HAVE THEY TRIED! There are several attempts per week!) b) Not available with human intervention. We will not, REAPEAT will NOT provide the distribution list to anyone. We have received a few email requests for it. They have been politely told where to place their request! You can rest assured that if you receive "junk" email, it did not originate from the HBD distribution list that is currently being maintained by Pat Babcock and myself. However, I cannot vouch for any previous "owner" of the list. What they have done with it is unknown to me. ================================================================== Karl Lutzen lutzen at alpha.rollanet.org System Administrator The Brewery http://alpha.rollanet.org/ Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 16:23:13 -0500 From: Russ Brodeur <r-brodeur at ds.mc.ti.com> Subject: Corn Meal vs. Flaked Maize I am about to embark on my 2nd "Classic American Pilsner" attempt. My first was outstanding, IMHO, although it was a bit on the strong side for my taste (OG = 58). I used 2 lbs flaked maize and 7 lbs DWC pils malt with a single decoction to go from 135-154 F. For my second attempt I would like to lighten it up somewhat, and I am shooting for an OG ~ 1.052 using 6 lbs DWC pils and 2.5 lbs corn meal. I chose corn meal this time because: 1) it's cheap and 2) I plan on using a single decoction anyway wherein I can boil the ! at ##$ out of the corn meal to cook it, if necessary. I have never used corn meal in a mash before. Is this a Bozo no-no due to inferior quality?? Other than that I can't see any reason why it wouldn't work out just fine. TIA for any suggestions. TTFN Russ - -- Russ Brodeur Texas Instruments Inc. Attleboro, MA (508) 236-2157 mailto:r-brodeur at ds.mc.ti.com Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 16:52:50 -0500 From: "David R. Burley" <Dave_Burley at compuserve.com> Subject: Toxicity Brewsters: Carl Helrich incorrectly interprets a comment by C Papazian at the bottom of his Beer Aroma/Flavor Recognition chart approximately on p 407 (WHY doesn't Charley label his chart pages??). A series of chemicals used as examples of a taste and aroma are listed as "toxic- don't drink this" CP meant don't drink these substances "straight", since they ARE toxic in larger quantities ( so is alcohol!), most of these substances occur in parts per million levels in beer, below the toxic level, but above the taste/smell threshold. Also the comment about beer not being toxic because of its low pH was about pathological, biologically generated, during NORMAL fermentation, substances. It didn't mean anything about potentially weird things some of us do here in the name of a different beer. It is our utmost goal to make a better beer without poisoning ourselves and most times no problem, but always be sceptical of beers of which you have no idea of the recipe or handling. Beer judges should get medals for bravery. Finally on the reason you are having all those troubles with your beer may stem from your too close adherence to CP's techniques. A major flaw is his recommendation to strain hot wort into the fermenter full of cold unboiled water - all in one picture! * Always* cool your wort to below 80F ( colder is better) before passing it through air. Always boil all your water, especially if you are having an infection problem. Cool it before adding your wort ( boil it the night before you brew). Always use ALL malt extract brews. NO sugar added before the fermentation. Be careful. I have tasted some beers recently from popular British malt extracts, prepared to give a specific brew and believe these contain an extraordinary amount of sugar added in the guise of malt extract. Stick to malt extracts which you know are 100% malt derived and go to at least partial mashes as soon as you can. Be sure to use bleach freely to disinfect your bottles and other apparatus and rinse everything with hot boiled water. Above all - Charlie's recommended closed primary/ overflow hose configuration is a highly likely potential source of infections. Either soak it in very concentrated bleach to remove ALL the organic content inside ( a nearly impossible task) or go over to an open ( closed with a plastic sheet or lid) primary fermenter into which you can get your rubber gloved hand ( safety glasses also), a paper towel and concentrated bleach to clean off all the gunk after a fermentation. - -------------------------------------------------------------- Keep on brewin' Dave Burley Kinnelon, NJ 07405 103164.3202 at compuserve.com Voice e-mail OK Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 17:25:53 -0500 From: Steve Alexander <stevea at clv.mcd.mot.com> Subject: RE: pedios (homo/hetero) - why? Joe Rolfe writes ... > i guess i missed the whole point of the discussion and how it really Homofermentative (desireable) lactobacilli CANNOT be distinguished from pediococci infection on the basis of CO2 bubbling, ethanol production or acetic acid production, as was erroneously implied. > i believe HLP NBBA/NBBB will detect these at fairly low conc. I don't believe this is true either, but it's not an HB technique. If you're doing a lacto-fermentation, pack a microscope to distinguish pedios was my point. Simpler methods won't differentiate. Steve Alexander Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 17:21:25 -0600 (CST) From: korz at xnet.com Subject: Real Ale Several posters have covered Real Ale in detail, so I'll just add to what they have already said. Both the Zymurgy article and one poster mentioned 1 volume of CO2 in Real Ale. It's actually a bit more than that. In fact, if the beer was fermented around 63F (if memory serves) it will have 1 volume dissolved in it *AT* atmospheric pressure. No, what you want is more like 1.5 to 1.75 volumes and some sources say 2.0 volumes. Also, someone mentioned "filtered air" being allowed into the cask. I believe this to be very rare and that most pubs simply pull the hard spile at opening and push it back in after last call. Finally, handpump is not the only traditional method of dispense which is accepted by CAMRA. There's also gravity (just a tapped cask behind the bar, although there are cooling units you can buy to keep the beer around 55F), air pressure (more common in Scotland ... look for the "Tall Fonts") and electric pump. Handpump is the most "impressive" to the customers and probably the easiest to deal with for the publican (bartender). Real Al. Al Korzonas, Palos Hills, IL korz at xnet.com Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 22:33:21 -0500 (EST) From: Jeff Hewit <jhewit at erols.com> Subject: Dominion Cup Competition The James River Homebrewers Club is accepting entries for the Dominion Cup Homebrew Competition now thru May 31, 1997. Judging will take place on June 7th, 1997 at the Legend Brewing Company in Richmond, Virginia. The Competition is sanctioned by the American Homebrew Association and all Homebrewers are invited to enter. Entries will be judged in ten style categories with a ribbon and merchandise prize awarded to Best of Category winners. The Best of Show winner will also receive an engraved Dominion Cup. CONTACT: Lindsay Weiford, Competition Coordinator (804)537-5228, Leave message with name and address. Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 20:33:38 -0800 From: Doug Otto <dotto at calweb.com> Subject: Edme Pressure Barrel Greetings. I'm fairly new to this game, but now that I've got 8 batches under my = belt (well okay, maybe a few hanging over it) I've been looking into = kegging systems to avoid the hassles of bottling. I've been pricing corny systems but stumbled across an add for the above = mentioned Edme Pressure Barrel. Does anyone have any experience with = this things? The price is right but I can see there are a few = disadvantages, i.e. CO2 carts are more expensive than filling a bottle, = no way to use a counter-pressure filler in the event you _want_ to = bottle some beer. With just those two items against it, it seems like = a reasonable value. I'm still kinda leaning towards the corny system = but any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Doug Otto Carmichael, CA Return to table of contents