HOMEBREW Digest #3456 Thu 19 October 2000

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  BJCP Exam Study Links ("Mark Tumarkin")
  Bottles vs Kegs (Ant Hayes)
  Strange Brew is now less strange (Jacob Jacobsen)
  re-Five Star ("Nathaniel P. Lansing")
  All-Grain Attempt (cmmundt)
  How is Zymurgy / AHA these days? ("Pannicke, Glen A.")
  Stoppers on the Wrong End of the Neck (mohrstrom)
  Star San and rubber Koelsch questions ("Richard Sieben")
  Schreier's "Euro" malts (Joel Plutchak)
  5 Star products ("Paddock Wood Brewing Supplies")
  retrieving bungs from carboys ("Paddock Wood Brewing Supplies")
  Water and Electricity usage measurements ("Peter J. Calinski")
  Rubber Stoppers in the Carboy ("Kevin Jones")
  In Line Oxygenation (Brad Miller)
  Re: Honey character (Spencer W Thomas)
  Re: mashing too cool explains 50% efficiency? (Spencer W Thomas)
  RE: Star San ("Brian Lundeen")
  Re: Stupid Brewer Trick #2873-d: (bung pow maneuver) (GPEYCO)
  foam (RIPIC80)
  Palm Springs (Barry Wertheimer)
  tko software (Paul Kerchefske)
  Rye in Pre Pro Lager? (alastair)

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---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 06:05:11 -0400 From: "Mark Tumarkin" <mark_t at ix.netcom.com> Subject: BJCP Exam Study Links At the request of some friends studying for the BJCP exam, I put together the following set of links - http://hbd.org/hogtown/bjcp/bjcp.html I'd appreciate feed back. It's a work in progress, I'm going to add to it (and maybe remove some of the links) so any suggestions or links to add would be appreciated. I'd like to get it to the point where it would be a useful study tool, if it can help anyone prepare for the exam that would be great. Mark Tumarkin Gainesville, FL Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:23:10 +0200 From: Ant Hayes <Ant.Hayes at FifthQuadrant.co.za> Subject: Bottles vs Kegs Steve Schultz related, regarding beer at a recent meeting, "He also brought some bottled beer, and as always seems to be the case, it didn't taste quite as good as the draft beer, even though he said it was the same beer." I regularly keg and bottle beer from the same batch. The kegged beer goes through a 1 micron filter and is then force carbonated. It is stored at +-4C. This beer is great for half glasses and for parties. The bottled beer is decanted into primed bottles, left at >20C for a week and then stored at +-2C until drinking time, when it is raised to the appropriate serving temperature. (I don't leave head space in excess of 30mm) I find my bottled beer considerably better than my kegged beer. I have more control over the carbonation levels, the beer stores better - I am now drinking my lagers made in December 1999, and flavours seem more rounded. I have experienced problems with bottled beer stored at room temperature, including autolysis; souring; oxidation and gushing. But cold storage largely eliminates these. Ant Hayes Gauteng; South Africa Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 04:42:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Jacob Jacobsen <beermakerdk at yahoo.com> Subject: Strange Brew is now less strange First of all, Thank You to everyone that responded to my original post. Apparently this thing has happened to lots of brewers. The place I live has what appears to be very good brewing water (neutral pH, not many ions or compounds of any sort, really). It may have been processed in association with our local world-famous brewery... but that's another story. When I made the two batches of "medicinal" beer (yes, both batches are now clear), I was using a sterilizer based on alkaline salts (H2SO4, I think). For these two batches, I washed and then "sterilized" a 5 gallon nylon/plastic container (which originally contained only God knows what, but has long been used to contain potable water). I pre-boiled the water the night before and after it cooled, put the water in this "sterilized" container. It turned out that something like a week passed before I was able to brew up, so the water sat in the jug for that time. (Hey, it's sterile isn't it!) Because of this "medicinal" problem, I have since quit storing boiled water. Our water does not have a high level of chlorine; you can't smell it or taste it. (I have made kit beers right out of the tap and they turned out as well as you could expect.) Whatever it was, it seems to have been related to storing the boiled water in the jug, and the probable infection therein. The good news is that bottles here a cheap and I'll never throw away another "medicinal" batch. (I'll also never use that jug for brew water again.) I do have something of offer: Not having a wort cooler, I bought a plastic trash can large enough to fit my stainless 8 gal. boiler into. I drilled four holes such that the boiler will just float in water when filled with 5 gallons (of whatever beer gravity). To use this $10 wonder, I place it in the tile utility room (with drain), half-fill it with water, set my boiler into it from the burner and insert the hose under the boiler and turn the water on. The cold water will take the wort to 110 deg. F in less than 20 mins. It's a kluge, but it surely works. This works a bit better as my boiler has a bucket-style handle, rather than two fixed handles on either side. Again, thanks to all of you for helping. I was up until 3 Am this morning brewing some California Common. I don't expect it to be medicinal. Jake __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:03:07 -0400 From: "Nathaniel P. Lansing" <delbrew at compuserve.com> Subject: re-Five Star There were a few ?s about Star-San; the color changes because the supply of materials changes, sometimes it's pale yellow, orangish or brown. This is not oxidation, it is buying from the lowest bidder that may color their product differently. To test your Star-San use your pH meter or narrow range pH strips. If the solution is at 2 or slightly under you are in good shape. If the solution is restored to pH 2 with a few drops of concentrate Star-San it is usable. If after many uses it becomes cloudy with "dirt" it should be discarded, it will still sanitize but the "dirt" load with deposit on the sanitized surfaces; and what's the point of sanitizing a dirty surface. Reheating PBW will eliminate the "active oxygen" with a slight reduction in the efficacy. Probably no big deal if you are scrubbing off beer stone from your kettle. If you use PBW a lot have you considered "Straight-A"? from my experience in the homebrew environment it is as effective as PBW, but at a more frugal pricing, 8 oz Straight-A for the price of 1 packet (2 oz?) of PBW. N.P. (Del) Lansing Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:21:58 -0400 From: cmmundt at AircraftBraking.com Subject: All-Grain Attempt Greetings All, I have been reading and learning about how to do things, and then the next day why that method is not the best way, on the HBD for a while. I enjoy a good, intelligent debate that occurs here so often. So, after brewing extract and grain for a while I decided it was time to step up and go all-grain. I decided that on Sunday October 8 I had nothing else to do so I would attempt the all-grain experience. The recipe I chose was an AG version of a DME and grain recipe for an Imperial Stout that SWMBO really enjoyed. In fact, this beer opened her eyes to stouts and porters. Back to the beer. As this was my first time at all-grain, I had been planning it out for about two weekend was really looking forward to the event. Boy, I certainly did not know what I was getting into. My mash pH was 5.3 so I added 1.5 tbls of gypsum to balance the dark grains. I chose the 40-60-70 (degrees C) step infusion suggest by Fix. Everything seemed to be going well until I had to step up to 60 C. The water I was using was not hot enough to raise the temp to 60, so I added a little bit more water thinking it would not hurt anything. I realized I was wrong when the extra water over ran my mash-tun and spilled all over the floor. So I ended up with about 1 quart of water/grain mixture all over the floor. And then the follies really started. It seemed to be one disaster after another during the entire process. I even had problems during the sparge, the tubing got knocked and fell out of the boil kettle allowing about 1 quart of wort to drain all over the floor. At this point I was frustrated, discouraged, and swearing like never before and put the tubing into a different kettle than the boil kettle. I finally got enough wort into the kettle instead of the floor and started the boil. Of course, in all this confusion I only put about 5 gallons into the boil instead of 6.5 that I wanted because the other kettle containing the 1.5 gallons I dumped because it was in my way. During this whole fiasco I had forgot the one main axiom of brewing. Relax and have a homebrew. My sympathetic wife chimed in during the boil, as I was cleaning the kitchen, "Boy, that all-grain sure looks like a lot of work". I just mumbled into my beer (the extract version of the mess I was making). I chilled the wort and pulled a sample for a gravity check. SG 1.068 and my goal was 1.074. That gave me a 60% efficiency instead of 65% that I was hoping to get, despite my bungling. Last Sunday, I racked into the secondary and had a little taste. It was the best tasting beer I have tasted at the racking stage. In fact, SWMBO told me to bottle it immediately so we (she) could drink it that much faster. My faith in all-grain has been restored. One question before I go if anybody can answer it through the laughter I hear. What is the easiest/best way to transfer the grains and wort to my lauter-tun from the mash-tun? My mash-tun is a 8-9 gallon cooler with a drain spigot and my lauter-tun is based on Phil's Lauter-tun. Chad Mundt, cmmundt at aircraftbraking.com If there is interest, I will post the both the all-grain and extract recipes in a following HBD. Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:52:06 -0400 From: "Pannicke, Glen A." <glen_pannicke at merck.com> Subject: How is Zymurgy / AHA these days? Alan McKay asked about the AHA & Zymurgy: >How is it these days? >How is the AHA? I joined last year after "watching from afar" through Zymurgy. I stay out of the politics in any organization, so I can't comment about that. But I will say that I'm pleased to see some HBD participation on the Board. Maybe there will be a bit more democracy now, then when you were a member. From reading Zymurgy though, I'd say that the AHA has organized a lot of events that seem to go quite well. People who actually attended them might say otherwise, but it looks like there are good speakers and a lot of fun. I joined mainly for the Zymurgy subscription & to support their charter of advancing the homebrewing hobby. Noble, ain't I?!? Occasionally you'll get a good article like the one this dude published on Classic American Pilsners. Now *THAT* was a good article. In fact, it was the only one I read from that issue in it's entirety. It gave me a bit of the history which sets the style, a description of the methods, formulation of ingredients and a good idea on how to brew one myself. I'd love to see another article published by this guy - Cheers Jeff! Then there are the articles on how to brew beer using ox dung, papyrus and beetles, like the Ancient Sumerians did. I don't care. I want articles on how *I* can brew beer... in modern times... with modern equipment... with modern ingredients. (all right, I made that one up, so as not to offend any particular author's hard work) But now we come to the article in a previous issue, which I think was on barleywine, but the point of the article is lost due to ramblings of it's ficticious foul-mouthed characters. Now I can curse like a sailor, but there is a time & place for everything - that wasn't it. In this case I really don't care if I offend the author because the article sucked. It had more to do with the author's poor attempt at humor than it had to do with beer. I could go on about this, but I'll just stop here. So if you're a beer aficionado - or just plain old beer snob - then the magazine is worth it. It's got articles on brewpubs, microbreweries, all the stuff for people who like to *TASTE* beer. Also, if you're up to meeting new people in the hobby and want to get together for seminars or talks with noteworthy people, beer tasting and general frolicking (again with much beer), then I also hear that this is the membership for you. But if you don't care about all that and just want to find a technical resource that can come up to par with BT - look elsewhere. Zymurgy is targeted to a very diverse readership within the beer lover's community and cannot provide the same focus on a continuous basis that us BT-loving techophiles enjoy. Carpe cerevisiae! Glen Pannicke http://www.pannicke.net "He was a wise man who invented beer" - Plato Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:17:20 -0400 From: mohrstrom at humphreypc.com Subject: Stoppers on the Wrong End of the Neck Kevin (and others) have had their stoppers wind up on the inside of their carboys: > Ideas for removing the damned thing when the carboy is > empty are welcome too. Of course, this has never happened to me (I just *look* stupid ...) I would think, though, that one of those nifty tools the paint stores give out - with a hook on one end for removing paint can lids (and a loop on the other for removing bottle caps)could possibly be very useful for stopper removal. If I were ever to find myself in this situation (perhaps from some mental lapse brought on by the brown-bottle variant of Alzheimer's), I would add a bit of plain water for lubrication and invert the carboy. Then one could tease the stopper so that the narrow end was in the neck. Hooking the tool through the hole and pulling straight down should do the trick. I would further hypothesize that a natural rubber stopper soaked in fermenting mead will turn an interesting shade of orange, but this is purely speculative. Mark in Kalamazoo Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:38:08 -0500 From: "Richard Sieben" <sier1 at email.msn.com> Subject: Star San and rubber Koelsch questions Will Fields asked about re-using star san and PbW, I do it all the time with no ill effects. I will use PBW until it becomes discolored, and then discard. I understand that Star San is good as long as it is at a certain pH level, but I don't know what it is off hand. What I generally do is clean a fermentor with PBW and let it sit until I have the secondary fermentor ready to be cleaned and just transfer it into there. I will let it sit for days since it doesn't clean as quickly cold as it does warm, but I imagine you could rewarm it if you wanted to. My next step is the Star San, I will also pour it from fermentor to fermentor and then finally into a corny keg. In fact I have one corny that has a bad in-post so I use that for my Star San 'dispenser' for any time when I need a quick splash of star san. I follow the same procedure with my kegs, but I usually wait until I have a few to clean at one time so I can pass the material from keg to keg. the advantage to pushing the Star San out of a keg with CO2, is that when I am done, it is ready to receive beer without need to purge air. Kevin got his rubber stuck in the beer again! I have pushed rubber stoppers into the beer two or three times, assuming you are using those white rubber stoppers, they don't seem to impart any flavors to the beer. don't worry about it, just get another stopper. I finally quit doing the push it into the carboy thing when I started putting the airlock into the stopper first, then insert the stopper w/ airlock into the carboy. I guess you can claim that the beer is rubber stopper aged.... Rich Sieben Rubber stopper beer brewery Island Lake, IL Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:54:12 -0500 (CDT) From: Joel Plutchak <plutchak at ncsa.uiuc.edu> Subject: Schreier's "Euro" malts Anybody have direct experience using Schreier's new-ish "Euro" malts? I'll be buying a bag each of the Pils and Vienna to evaluate (love this hobby!), but wouldn't mind hearing some opinions while I wait for them to arrive. (Specs on the malts at <http://www.schreiermalt.com/techcenter/>.) - -- Joel Plutchak <plutchak at ncsa.uiuc.edu> Frequently evaluating grain, hops, and yeast in East-central Illinois Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:20:01 -0600 From: "Paddock Wood Brewing Supplies" <orders at paddockwood.com> Subject: 5 Star products Will asks about shelf life and reuse of PBW and Star San. The color of Star San varies from batch to batch but in no way affects its efficacy. I am not aware of any shelf life. You can definitely keep a batch made up and use it as you need. It is not affected by light, exposure to air or heat. As long as the pH remains below 3 it is effective. If the pH rises above 3 Star San goes cloudy. You can refresh or replace it then. It's best to mix it with reverse osmosis water or distilled water if you are planning on storing it. The clarity of the Star San is a good indicator of its efficacy. PBW, conversely, needs to be used right away. Do not mix it in in advance. Do not reheat and re-use it. It is unstable, once the free oxygen dissipates it is ineffective. For more affordable daily cleaning, you may wish to consider B-Brite. It's cheaper and much the same as PBW, although I still prefer PBW for crucial cleaning, like inside CF chillers, or hard cleaning, like carbonized brew pot residue. hope this helps. Stephen Ross ______________________________________________ Paddock Wood Brewing Supplies, Saskatoon, SK orders at paddockwood.com www.paddockwood.com Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 09:23:52 -0600 From: "Paddock Wood Brewing Supplies" <orders at paddockwood.com> Subject: retrieving bungs from carboys Kevin asks about retrieving bungs from carboys. Relax, the bung won't give any off flavours, and will be easy to retrieve. After you rack, and rinse the carboy, your bung is sitting in the bottom. Put the carboy on its side, and let a thin tea towel or handkerchief flop down inside the neck (hang on to the cloth!) tip the carboy so the bung rolls on to the cloth. When you pull out the cloth, the bung will come too. It may be a little tight squeeze through the neck, which is why thin cloth is best. We've done it too. cheers, Stephen Ross ______________________________________________ Paddock Wood Brewing Supplies, Saskatoon, SK orders at paddockwood.com www.paddockwood.com Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:30:56 -0400 From: "Peter J. Calinski" <PCalinski at iname.com> Subject: Water and Electricity usage measurements The table below contains some data I collected by recording the readings of my water meter and electric meter both before I start brewing and after I finished. I hope it doesn't get garbled. I didn't use any tabs and kept it under 75 columns. I use electricity for all my brewing heat. All batches were 5 gallons nominal. In general, the water usage excludes the 8 to 10 gallons for sparging because I typically draw that the day before. However, it does include at least a few toilet flushes. <-----Water Gal ------><Electricity kWh> Batch Style Date Day Start End Used Start End Used 54 Amer PA 02/27/00 Sun. 77220 77310 90 5677 5692 15 55 Amer PA 03/28/00 Tue. 86160 86240 80 6443 6456 13 56 Belgium Ale 03/31/00 Fri. 87319 87544 225 6558 6573 15 57 Porter 05/19/00 Fri. 98618 98673 55 NA NA NA 58 Weizen 05/20/00 Sat. 98937 99269 332 7621 7642 21 59 Amer PA 06/09/00 Fri. 105537 105602 65 8151 8163 12 60 Weizen 07/31/00 Mon. 122806 123020 214 10699 10704 5 61 Amer PA 09/14/00 Thu. 134867 134940 73 10628 10640 12 62 Stout 10/15/00 Tue. 144467 144549 82 11409 11421 12 I would exclude batches 56, 58, and 60 from the water measurements because SWMO probably was running the clothes washer or the kids were showering. The remaining average out to about 74 gallons per batch. For the electricity measurements, I would exclude batch 58 for similar reasons. I would also exclude batch 60 because it isn't credible. Then the electricity usage averages out to about 13 KWH. So 74 Gallons of water and 13 KWH per 5 gallon brew session. What does the collective think? Pete Calinski East Amherst NY Near Buffalo NY Page 1 Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:18:41 -0500 From: "Kevin Jones" <mrkjones at mindspring.com> Subject: Rubber Stoppers in the Carboy Joye & Kevin Sinn, >I am somewhat concerned that I'm going to have Rubber Koelsch. Will the bung >impart any off flavours? Your beer is ruined! To dispose of it, bottle then send to Kevin Jones, 400 Noel Lane.........Just Kidding! The stopper will not cause a problem! 95% of brewers have made the same mistake...and the other 5% are liars. As for removing it, two words Coat Hanger. Drink Better Beer! Kevin Jones Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:53:41 -0800 From: Brad Miller <millerb at targen.com> Subject: In Line Oxygenation I was wondering if anyone knows of a good way to install a sparge stone in line out of a CF chiller. I'm sure I could mechanically do it but I'm not sure the best way to rig it so that beer wouldn't get back in the line. I know that the big boys do it and was hoping that somebody has an idea. Thanks in advance. Brad Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:18:16 -0400 From: Spencer W Thomas <spencer at engin.umich.edu> Subject: Re: Honey character Looks like nobody's answered (yet). A honey aroma can be produced by 2-3 pentanediol. This is the "one more carbon" relative of diacetyl, and is produced by some yeast. I'm not up on the biochemistry that leads to this product, but it is possible that the conditions inside your bottles are conducive to producing it. Can anyone help with this? =Spencer Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:39:47 -0400 From: Spencer W Thomas <spencer at engin.umich.edu> Subject: Re: mashing too cool explains 50% efficiency? I check my thermos by a two step process. 1. Check low point. Make a mixture of ice and water. Stir well. Submerge thermometer in mixture, and swirl very gently (especially if it's a glass thermo!) Should read 0C / 32F. 2. Check high point. Boil plain water. If you're at sea level, the thermo should read 100C / 212F. If you're using a glass thermo, you just have to live with its inherent inaccuracies. If you're using a dial thermo, you can usually adjust it by turning the "nut" on the back of the dial. Since you're interested in "hot" temps, I'd adjust the boiling point. After adjustment, check the other end point as above. If it's right on, then your thermo is probably pretty close over the range. If it's not, then at least you'll have some idea of whether it's probably reading high or low over the rest of the range. =Spencer Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:46:44 -0500 From: "Brian Lundeen" <blundeen at rrc.mb.ca> Subject: RE: Star San Will Fields asks about my favorite sanitizer: > I have two small bottles of Five Star Star San acid sanitizer > and had some > questions regarding its use. First I noticed the old but > unopened bottle > is much lighter in color than the new bottle. Is this a significant > factor? That is to say does this product have a shelf life? Are you sure it's the older bottle that is lighter in colour? I noticed my new bottle was much lighter and was told by Paddock Wood that they had changed their formulation to a lighter color. > Also, I was > wondering if I could use this product like an iodine type of > sanitizer and > keep a batch made up and use it on an as-needed basis, a > convenience I find > useful in my brewhouse. Once this stuff is mixed up do I > have to use it > fairly soon and discard it straight away? My understanding of iodine based sanitizers is that you can NOT keep a batch made up, they lose their strength too quickly. However, Star San is very good for storing, especially in a sealed container. I keep a batch for a few weeks in a covered pail with no ill effects. If not is there a > test available > to determine it's efficacy over time? Check its pH with a reliable and calibrated pH meter. If it's under 2.9, it's OK. Cheers, Brian Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:17:08 EDT From: GPEYCO at cs.com Subject: Re: Stupid Brewer Trick #2873-d: (bung pow maneuver) In a message dated 10/17/00 9:18:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time, "Joye & Kevin Sinn" <skinnrz at sympatico.ca> writes: > Subject: Stupid Brewer Tricks > > Well, I pulled a bonehead move tonite. > I racked my Koelsch-Style to the > secondary and the airlock bung would not stay seated. Now I know better > than to try and force it or else it might pop into the carboy. Well, I > tried to force it and it popped into the carboy. I almost retrieved it > (another story in itself) but ultimately it sank to a beery grave. > > The bung was sanitized so I'm not worried about infection. BUT, I am > somewhat concerned that I'm going to have Rubber Koelsch. Will the bung > impart any off flavours? I'm assuming the worst, but I'm sure some of you > out there have performed some of your own Stupid Brewer Tricks and can give > me some answers. Ideas for removing the damned thing when the carboy is > empty are welcome too. > > Thanks for your help, and try to keep the laughter down. > > -Kevin in Essex Kevin, this has got to be one of the most commonly performed numbers in brewing. Although, now that I think about it this may only be a local favorite. Others will probably step in with research results from chemical analysis and quantum physics. This could begin another arcane debate lasting months. I on the other hand can only offer the observation that the batch I brewed did not "seem" to suffer any ill effects. I cannot however prove the lack of any micro-rubber particles to the ppm. I was using a reasonably new stopper for my experiment. Don't fret about getting it out. Continue brewing as you normally would. After cleaning, drain the carboy. Fold a clean dry towel diagonally. Insert one corner of the towel into the carboy. Insert enough of the towel into the carboy to create a sort of cloth funnel inside the carboy. Maneuver carboy until the stopper falls into the cloth funnel. Pull the towel out and the stopper will come with it. I think I picked this one up here. Thinking it was a stupid thing to do I never dreamed I'd need to use it. I might have waited a month before taking my newfound knowledge for a test drive. I would like to hear about the many unsuccessfully attempted to fish it out. This knowledge could be put in a faq somewhere. Coathangers, fishing lines (and poles), fireplace pokers; I'm sure it would include many brilliantly conceived solutions, all more potentially damaging to the brew than the stopper that now sits on the bottom of your carboy. So near yet so far away it somehow managed to fall in clear view just on the other side of that thin glass barrier. You're sure it is taunting you, the airlock hole seems to be looking at you no matter where you are in the room. Kind of like something out of a Poe story. Don't let it keep you up at night. Sleep soundly with the knowledge that when you get that little %# at (&# out of there it's going directly into the food dispose-all. ;-{)> Greg Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:49:51 EDT From: RIPIC80 at aol.com Subject: foam Just a quick question.... That foam that floats on the top of the wort during the boil is protein, right? So since it seems to be the protein that one doesn't want (since grain brewing, the protein rest causes much more foam), does any harm come by skimming it off, since I have had problems with hops not mixing in well, and floating with the foam? I have done it before w/ extract beers, and it didn't seem to do any harm, but I've never read about it, either in brew books or on this sight. Any clues you can give would be appreciated Frank Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:25:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Barry Wertheimer <bmwerth at yahoo.com> Subject: Palm Springs Greetings, I will be in the Palm Springs area for a conference Sun-Tues. I would appreciate recommendations for good beer tasting. Also, if there are HBDers in the area that might want to grab a pint ... Cheers, ===== Barry Wertheimer Palo Alto, CA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 18:54:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Kerchefske <wadworth6 at yahoo.com> Subject: tko software I have Brewers Workshop and want to put it on a new computer. Does anyone know if the guy that wroye it is still around and what his phone number is? I need to get the SECRET code to use this program. PK __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:45:58 -0700 (PDT) From: alastair <alastair at odin.he.net> Subject: Rye in Pre Pro Lager? I've just become the proud owner of 2# of flaked rye and was thinking of throwing it in my next batch (pre pro lager from Wyeast 2035). It will make up about 10% of the grist and I'll be using Northern Brewer and Cascades at about 35 IBU. Sounds like a good idea? I'm a rye virgin, so I'm not sure what the results will turn out like. Has anyone done this sort of brew before? I've seen some ale recipes, but no lager type beers. I was planning on something flaked in it (corn or wheat), so the rye may be a sign ;) Alastair Return to table of contents
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