HOMEBREW Digest #3988 Sat 13 July 2002

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  BYO v Zymurgy ("H. Dowda")
  Benefits of AHA Membership ("Dennis Waltman")
  Re: Zymurgy vs. BYO (Aaron Robert Lyon)
  Re: Rogue's Younger's Special Bitter clone recipe? (Martin_Brungard)
  Re: Dortmund Water ("Peter Fantasia")
  AHA and the Pub Discount Program (mohrstrom)
  Brewpubs in Quebec City ("John Misrahi")
  Zymurgy vs. Brew Your Own (Althelion)
  Malting Home grown Wheat ("Stephen Rockey")
  Beer in New Haven ("Skip Virgilio")
  AHA Pub Discount ("Gary Glass")
  BYO Versus. Zymurgy ("Mike Brennan")

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---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2002 23:09:51 -0700 (PDT) From: "H. Dowda" <hdowda at yahoo.com> Subject: BYO v Zymurgy Mr. Love poses an interesting question about the relative value of the two mags. Recently, for a year or so (?) many issues had duplicated articles. For instance, both current issues deal extensively with fruit beers. There have been several other such cases. While this is, I am sure, purely coincidence and not a case of industrial espionage (dare we suspect beeroterrorism)it patently reduces the mutual value of the two. Certainly there are points in each article not in the other, but enough to justify two articles? Wasn't there a lead piece on Helles in the last Zymurgy? There is one in this months BYO. Which is better. Take your pick, lately they have pretty much said the same thing. BYO gives you more issues for less $ and is to my simple intellect, more fun. But as a quasi-famous person says "that's just my opinion, I could be wrong". Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 03:16:19 -0400 From: "Dennis Waltman" <PDWALTMAN at sablaw.com> Subject: Benefits of AHA Membership There is another benefit of being a member of the AHA, one I have not seen. For those that enter the AHA National Homebrew Competition, being a member cuts $4 off the entry fee per bottle. This year for me, being a member just about paid the entire membership fee in savings, so the magazine is free. Just a data point, Dennis Waltman - --------------------------------------------------- The information contained in this message from Sutherland Asbill & Brennan LLP and any attachments is confidential and intended only for the named recipient(s). If you have received this message in error, you are prohibited from copying, distributing or using the information. Please contact the sender immediately by return email and delete the original message. Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 09:03:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Robert Lyon <lyona at umich.edu> Subject: Re: Zymurgy vs. BYO Wayne ponders... "My question to the Digest is to those members who are familiar with both magazines to help me rate the value of either subscription. Is Zymurgy worth twice the price of Brew Your Own. Is one magazine much larger than the other? Are they aimed at different target markets i.e. beginners vs. intermediate home brewers?" Wayne, I subscribe to both and find that I'm far more excited when a new issue of Zymurgy hits my door. Brew Your Own is a magazine we're lucky to have, but it's no Zymurgy (especially Zymurgy under Ray Daniels). In my opinion, I think the techniques discussed are significantly less advanced as a whole (I love Zymurgy's Geek section). In BYO, nearly everything seems to be extract-based and I feel they are assuming the reader is an extract brewer. Zymurgy does/has done a number of special jumbo issues (Hops, The Great Grain Issue, etc - something BYO has never done, to my knowledge) that I will keep until the day I die. I just moved, and I recycled all my BYOs (and All About Beers), but I boxed and carefully labeled my Zymurgy collection for safe shipping. Hope this helps! -A ____________________________________________________________________________ Aaron Lyon - homebrewer / research assist / hasher *[4.13, 118] Apparent Rennerian* "Give me a woman who truly loves beer, and I will conquer the world." -Kaiser Wilhelm II (1859-1941) Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 09:12:29 -0400 From: Martin_Brungard at URSCorp.com Subject: Re: Rogue's Younger's Special Bitter clone recipe? Jeff Renner asked for suggestions on formulations for YSB. I didn't see good insight on the formulation, so I'll pipe up. There is one thing in the internet YSB description that troubles me...it mentions 2-row and crystal malts only. This doesn't agree with the philosophy that John Maier espoused in his interview article in Brew Your Own magazine some years ago. He likes to use a wide variety of specialty grains to produce more complexity. Sure, you could use a variety of crystal malts, but the percentage of crystal in the grist might be higher than desirable to produce the indicated color (17 L). I suggest that the formulation may use a small percentage of dark malt like Special B or Chocolate to help with the color and add complexity. I seem to remember that its a good idea to keep the crystal percentage to less than 10 percent to avoid cloying sweetness. The hopping schedule was suggested from the YSB description. I assume the Willamette is the bittering hop and EKG is used for flavor and aroma. I plugged the information into Promash and came up with the following for a 5 gal batch: Grain/Extract/Sugar % Amount Name - --------------------------------------- 3.0 0.25 lbs. Chocolate Malt 3.0 0.25 lbs. Crystal 150L 88.1 7.38 lbs. Pale Malt 3.0 0.25 lbs. Crystal 20L 3.0 0.25 lbs. Crystal 60L The SG is about 12 P and the color is about 17 SRM or L Hops Amount Name Form Alpha IBU Boil Time - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 28.00 g. Willamette Pellet 5.00 24.3 60 min. 28.00 g. Goldings - E.K. Pellet 4.75 6.2 15 min. 28.00 g. Goldings - E.K. Pellet 4.75 3.9 5 min. This gives about 35 IBU. This is just a guess, but the main point of my post is that the formulation will probably use a wide variety of specialty malts to achieve the Rogue signature complexity. Martin Brungard Tallahassee, FL Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 09:18:16 -0400 From: "Peter Fantasia" <fantasiapeter at hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Dortmund Water Whenever I try to emulate a certain type of brewing water I add minerals to my mash to get me in the proper ph range. Any additional minerals are added to the kettle. Remember each minerals function ,such as sulfate accentuating hops and magnesium acting as a yeast nutrient and don't exceed maximum recommendations. There are a couple of articles in the best of zymurgy related to this. Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 09:50:03 -0400 From: mohrstrom at humphrey-products.com Subject: AHA and the Pub Discount Program Sean McDonald observes from Elmhurst: > When I mentioned that there were no, or few, > participants in chicago and that perhaps the > AHA should do something to rectify the situation, > Paul Gatza response was that their current > strategy was to let the pubs come to them. The Pub Discount Program has been functional for a whoppin' twelve days now. The strategy is to do a "soft start" (much as a retailer will quietly open for a period of time before their "Grand Opening") to allow any problems to surface and be addressed, before a full court press is made to bring every establishment into the program. The AHA staff in Boulder is limited, and can't chase every establish simultaneously. I would suggest that you contact your nearest AHA Liaison with suggestions as to what breweries you'd like to see included in the Pub Discount Program. If you know the brewer's or owner's name, that would be helpful, also. As Louis Bonham commented, not everything is yet perfect. As with any organization, the value increases with the contribution made. We have the opportunity to build a great national organization, and now is the time. Mark in Kalamazoo AHA Liaison - West Michigan Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:02:51 -0700 From: "John Misrahi" <lmoukhin at sprint.ca> Subject: Brewpubs in Quebec City A fantastic brewpub in Quebec City. I've been there (the pub) once and it was very high quality stuff. It's called l'Inox and you can find all the info at http://www.inox.qc.ca Enjoy your trip John Misrahi Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:01:05 EDT From: Althelion at aol.com Subject: Zymurgy vs. Brew Your Own I get both magazines. I enjoy reading both magazines. I was a charter subscriber to Brew Your Own when it started back in '95 (I think). Over these past few years, it's my observation that Zymurgy has evolved to include many elements that Brew Your Own has always had - specifically a focus on the practical issues of the average homebrewer. I believe Ray Daniels has improved the overall content of Zymurgy quite a bit. As for the dollar value? Who knows. Since Brewing Techniques and the Michigan Beer Guide dropped out, these are the only two beer periodicals that I get(not counting the HBD, which is the best value, thank you Northern Brewer). I subscribe to both because I think that reading about brewing helps me top keep on top of the hobby. Is there a lot of redundancy? Yah, there's some. But there's also more new ideas, interesting topical articles and features between the both of them. Al Pearlstein Commerce Township, Michigan Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 09:47:53 -0500 From: "Stephen Rockey" <slrjk at egyptian.net> Subject: Malting Home grown Wheat Hello all, I recently received about 40 pounds of fresh wheat seed from a local farmer. The wheat is southern Illinois winter wheat, which I know it is not a "highly desired" beer making strain, but I would like to try and malt some anyway. My goal is to use my home grown hops, water from the local spring, and my own malted grain. I found some recipes for 100% wheat beer and am anxious to try this out. Anyway, where can I get some direction on how to properly malt this wheat? Also, how should I store it before it is malted? How about after it is malted. I tried to search the HBD archives, but the search engine is down. Thank you for you help, Steve Rockey Jacob, Illinois (Too small to make it into the Rand McNally Atlas!) PS I am looking for any brewers in Southern Illinois, St. Louis is a bit too far. Anybody out there? Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 08:52:29 -0700 From: "Skip Virgilio" <skip at alesmith.com> Subject: Beer in New Haven I am taking a rare trip from San Diego to New Haven at the beginning of August. Anyone have suggestions on local brews to try, pubs that serve local brews, or packaged beer from east coast/New England breweries that are available in the New Haven area and where to buy them? Thanks! Skip Virgilio AleSmith Brewing Co. Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 10:05:21 -0600 From: "Gary Glass" <gary at aob.org> Subject: AHA Pub Discount Hi Everyone, This month in conjunction with American Beer Month the AHA launched a new benefit for AHA members, our Pub Discount program. We have been working very hard to get this program underway and are excited to get it rolling. Of course we are committed to the success of the Pub Discount. We started with some of the larger chains of brewpubs--BJ's, Hops, and Rock Bottom--in an effort to make the discount available to as many AHA members as possible, while being realistic about being able to maintain this fledgling program with a limited amount of staff resources. As with any major new undertaking, there will be bugs that need to be worked out, but once we have a basic structure in place we expect to be adding new brewpubs and beer bars around the country (probably one near you). On July 1, Membership Coordinator Erin Fay and I marched down the street to the BJ's here in Boulder waving our AHA cards and got our discount. The next day a group of us walked down to the Walnut Brewery, again waving our AHA cards and again getting our discount (what, the rest of you don't have 5 brewpubs within walking distance of work--yeah, Boulder's not such a bad place). The success of the program depends on AHA members getting out there and taking advantage of it. This benefit will survive and grow only if we use it. If we do not use it, it will leave the radar screen of the participating pubs, and become more of a burden than it is worth. So, please, support the brewers that are participating. Mark Snyder (mailto:marks at aob.org) is the staffer in charge of the program internally, please let him know if you go into a pub on the list that does not have the internal training in place yet to provide the deals to AHA members (training staff at pubs all across the country is a major logistical undertaking, so it might take a little while for every pub in the program to get up to speed). We have provided each pub with laminated sheets that shows what a valid card is and the word should be out to most servers (of course be polite when working with any pub staff if they don't know the details). It may be helpful to know the discount they have agreed to provide before you go in to the pub in case you become part of that training. It also would be helpful to discuss the discount and the card with your server when you order a beer, rather than when you receive your bill. Keep in mind that discounts are subject to state laws. For example, discounts on beer are illegal in Illinois, but pubs can offer discounts on food and merchandise. For a list of participating pubs and their discounts, see http://www.beertown.org/discount.htm. We will be updating the list as we add new pubs. Cheers! Gary Glass, Project Coordinator Association of Brewers 888-U-CAN-BREW (303) 447-0816 x 121 gary at aob.org www.beertown.org Celebrate! July is American Beer Month! The Great American Beer Festival Turns 21 this Year! Mark your calendars, October 3-5, 2002 at the Denver Convention Center, http://www.beertown.org/GABF/ Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 2002 20:26:01 -0500 From: "Mike Brennan" <brewdude at tampabay.rr.com> Subject: BYO Versus. Zymurgy I subscribe to both magazines and like them both. My personal opinion is that I notice a significant amount of erroneous or misleading information in BYO, which I would consider their weakness. Their strength appears to be creativity, imagination, simply put, ideas you will not read about elsewhere. Zymurgy's strength in my mind has always been technically accuracy. Their weakness if I had to select one, seems to me to be repetitive articles, also with some meaningless filler in each issue. In their defense, they have been around so long its hard not to be repetitive. Return to table of contents
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