HOMEBREW Digest #4128 Wed 25 December 2002


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Contents:
  HERMS HLT stirrers/ Re: Raw Eggs and Ham ("Steve Alexander")
  Re: RE:producing yeast for homebrewers (Teresa Knezek)
  Electric beer cooker (JJJ - Personal)
  Hello ("Fred Scheer")
  It's Christmas, drop the attitude ("Wayne Love")
  RE:producing yeast for homebrewers (ShoesBrew3)
  Please! (Pat Babcock)
  RE:producing yeast for homebrewers (Dan Jeska)
  Grants Pass Oregon (Bob Wilcox)
  Fermenter recirculation (David Towson)
  Re: Stir Bar (dcollins)
  Mini kegs with spouts... (Teresa Knezek)
  Re: Greetings & Rolling Christmas Toast (Kent Fletcher)
  long live free speech ("Dave Sapsis")

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---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 00:59:12 -0500 From: "Steve Alexander" <steve-alexander at worldnet.att.net> Subject: HERMS HLT stirrers/ Re: Raw Eggs and Ham HERMS HLT stirrers - yes they make a big difference. The heat exchanger in a HERMS often involves pumping mash wort thru a 'worm' tube in the HLT. There are certainly other possibilities for heat exchange but the above is common. Anyone who has ever used an immersion chiller worm realizes that additional convection (stirring) is needed to obtain a good heat exchange between the worm and the medium. In order to obtain adequate mash heating rates a HERMS worm-in-HLT design requires a stirrer to tightly couple the water and wort temps. Otherwise such a HERMS cannot heat the mash fast enough. I was forced to think/rethink/calculate a lot of issues while developing an upcoming Zymurgy article on mashing systems. Based on this a properly designed HERMS comes out on top for scalable, powerful, automatically controllable HB systems in my opinion. - -------- JeffR posts .... >>Having come very close to loosing a daughter I knew some loose daughters as a young man but there must be a different meaning here. Perhaps HBD should spearhead the movement to officially change the spelling of 'lose' to 'loose'. Certainly more practical than trying to correct the Saganian/MacDonaldian "billions and billions" of occurrences of this typo. >But the general population should consider eggs sage,, I don't hold the general population in high regard either Jeff, but that they should consider poultry ova sage (wise, prudent) is too pessimistic an opinion of their intelligence. That they do consider Dr.Phil sage and are untroubled by the indefinite suspension of political rights in the name of chasing a tiny group of terrorists is sufficient condemnation of the general intelligence. >and eat them without fear,, The sage go down more easily when first reduced to sound bites. >especially if they have been handles properly." -Steve (with proper handles) ;^) Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2002 22:31:08 -0900 From: Teresa Knezek <teresa at mivox.com> Subject: Re: RE:producing yeast for homebrewers On or thereabout 12/24/02, Bob Sheck spoke thusly: >Maybe, perhaps, you will also innoculate these yeasties with anthrax or worst? Well Bob, I really really hope you know something about Kelvin that he didn't mention in his post (besides the fact that his domain is registered to a Malaysian address)... Because that assumption was just offensive. - -- :: Teresa :: http://rant.mivox.com/ Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups. Return to table of contents
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 07:06:52 -0500 From: JJJ - Personal <jjocsak at fast.net> Subject: Electric beer cooker Anybody know where I can purchase or build an electric beer cooker so I can boil a 5 gallon batch indoors? All I see is propane or natural gas. Single burner is ok. Has anyone made one out of spare electric stove parts? Looking for something portable not a cooking stove. Return to table of contents
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 06:33:08 -0600 From: "Fred Scheer" <FHopheads at msn.com> Subject: Hello Fellow Brewers: I would like to take the chance to wish all of you Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. Especially to the JANITORs on duty Pat Babcock and Karl Lutzen, you guys are great. Thanks to all the Brewers for posting, I learned a lot and will in the years to come as a member of the prestigious HBD. Fred M. Scheer Return to table of contents
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 09:42:50 -0400 From: "Wayne Love" <wlove at fdchoice.com> Subject: It's Christmas, drop the attitude Bob Sheck wrote "Do you really think that the Muslims around you will allow you to produce the evil yeasties? Maybe, perhaps, you will also innoculate these yeasties with anthrax or worst?" It's exactly this type of racial profiling that's responsible for the World Trade Centre not standing tall today. Have you learned nothing, but hatred from your past? It's time you had a homebrew and relax, learn to love and respect your neighbor and not ridicule due to colour,race,or religion. "life is simply a reflection of our actions" "LIFE IS NOT A COINCIDENCE IT ISA REFLECTION OF YOU" Merry Christmas Wayne Love Rothesay, NB. Return to table of contents
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 08:55:07 EST From: ShoesBrew3 at aol.com Subject: RE:producing yeast for homebrewers Bob writes to Kelvin: Do you really think that the Muslims around you will allow you to produce the evil yeasties? Maybe, perhaps, you will also innoculate these yeasties with anthrax or worst? Whatever, you got balls. Oh, and stuff that "warm regards" - In my dreams ****************** As an American and Veteran of the US Military I understand your fear and frustration. However, I do not support your comments. They are uncalled for and unjustified. Fellow HBD'rs we can not allow these comments to continue. Although we can't stop future post's like this one from occurring we can surely articulate our lack of support for them. (Bob) If you have nothing good to say please don't say anything, or take up your gripes and complaints with that individual in private. Thanks Comment are welcome. Erik Rothschiller Cleveland OH ShoesBrew3 at aol.com Return to table of contents
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 10:51:22 -0500 (EST) From: Pat Babcock <pbabcock at hbd.org> Subject: Please! Greetings, Beerlings! Take me to your lager... I feel it necessary to comment on a recent post regarding an innocent inquiry from a Malaysian company here on the HBD. Though I do not have any insight into what might have motivated the response beyond the current state of the world, it was clearly not beer related, and clearly not within the spirit of the HBD for such a post to have been made. This occurence is an unfortunate side-effect of our "low-level" moderation policy; however, we still believe that this moderation method is far superior to any that would cause the HBD to stop should I not get an opportunity to review postings prior to publication - which, for the most part, is what would have occurred here. - -- - God bless America! Pat Babcock in SE Michigan pbabcock at hbd.org Home Brew Digest Janitor janitor@hbd.org HBD Web Site http://hbd.org The Home Brew Page http://hbd.org/pbabcock [18, 92.1] Rennerian "I don't want a pickle. I just wanna ride on my motorsickle" - Arlo Guthrie Return to table of contents
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 06:37:43 -0800 (PST) From: Dan Jeska <goldenloafer at yahoo.com> Subject: RE:producing yeast for homebrewers Robert Sheck writes in response to an inquiry from a Malaysian company about producing yeast for homebrewers: Do you really think that the Muslims around you will allow you to produce the evil yeasties? Maybe, perhaps, you will also innoculate these yeasties with anthrax or worst? Whatever, you got balls. Oh, and stuff that "warm regards" - In my dreams <I mean, Nightmares> Mr. Sheck, take a look at that little tag inside the (name an artical of clothing) you are wearing. It's probably made in Malaysia by people that work harder and longer hours for less pay than you. I believe that most of the posters on this forum will agree with me that your words are ignorant at best, and at worst, hateful to a good portion of the world's people. Other than price and quality (which is of course important), is there >anything that you'd like to have that is NOT commercially available? maybe >different packaging, pure culture kits etc... before I go out and do market >surveys etc, i'd like to hear directly from people who are actually using >it. any and every opinion/comments are welcomed. > > >suggestions would be greatly appreciated. thank you, and merry christmas to >all! Return to table of contents
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 07:37:34 -0800 From: Bob Wilcox <2bobw at alamedanet.net> Subject: Grants Pass Oregon My wife and I have sold our home for the last 25 years in Alameda Ca. and are off to Grants Pass Oregon. Some of the most important concerns I have, are there any Homebrewers in that area that read HBD? Is there a club in the area? How about a HB Supply store? The others are minor like were are we going to live until our new house is built, what about jobs for both of us, I guess we will work that out OK but how about brewing. Bob Wilcox DraughtBoard Home Brew Club bobw at draughtboard.org Return to table of contents
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 10:38:33 -0500 From: David Towson <dtowson at comcast.net> Subject: Fermenter recirculation For some time, I have been wanting to add quick-disconnect fittings to the dump and racking-port valves of my cylindroconical fermenter to allow easy connection of a pump to keep the yeast in suspension throughout the entire fermentation process. My interest has been to see whether this would lead to more complete fermentation. Yesterday, I did it, and then brewed ten gallons of "high octane" porter (O.G. = 1.075). I pitched almost a quart of dense slurry from a previous batch of IPA. The first gas bubbles appeared from the blowoff tube within about 15 minutes of sealing the fermenter. Now, about fifteen hours later, the bubbles are coming about two-per-second from the 5/8-inch I.D. hose, and the three-inch headspace I had when I started appears to be filled with foam, as I am getting some blowoff. The thermo-electric cooler on the fermenter is running full-time, and can't hold the temperature at 68 degrees (it's now risen to 71). I have opened the garage door and started the exhaust fan in hopes of cooling the garage enough to let the cooler get control. Not sure how this is going to turn out, but it certainly is an interesting experiment. If anyone else has done this, what is your assessment of the result? Any thoughts on whether this is a good/bad thing to do? Dave in Bel Air, MD Return to table of contents
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 11:29:41 -0500 (EST) From: dcollins at drain-all.com Subject: Re: Stir Bar I have to agree with Steve Funk regarding the stir bar. Any way that you can stir or recirculate the water in the HLT will definitely help. In my case, this is in regards to a HERMS type system where the water heats the HERMS coil/ricirculated wort. My system has a stand alone heat exchanger with about 1 gallon of water and I have found that there is a significant decrease in temp boost times when the water is circulated. Without circulation, the water right next to the coil cools off so that there is a temperature gradient at the coil surface. The water here can only move by means of natural convection, which is fairly slow and makes your heater work harder. When the water is circulated by force, the temperature gradients are removed for the most part and coil surface sees water at a more consistent (and hotter) temperature which will heat the wort faster. I used to use a small live well pump to take water from the bottom of the HX and pump it to the top (the HX water is not used for anything but heating) which worked fairly well except that the pump made a lot of noise. I have since gone with an electric motor mounted to the lid with a paddle on a shaft which works equally well and is a heck of a lot quieter. Dennis Collins Knoxville, TN Return to table of contents
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 14:09:43 -0900 From: Teresa Knezek <teresa at mivox.com> Subject: Mini kegs with spouts... OK, so now I have my beer engine, and two batches of beer fermenting at the same time, but only one "pull-spout" minikeg to my name. After perusing the digest archives for a while, I've come up with an inexpensive way to get a minikeg hooked up to the beer engine... but it involves using the pull-spout as an air vent, so the more common (and less expensive) "spoutless" minikegs won't do (unless I come up with a clever aftermarket air vent design). Before I go drop a small fortune buying a bunch of new pull-spout kegs, I'm wondering if anyone has one or two or a few they're looking to dispose of. - -- :: Teresa :: http://www.mivox.com/ "It has been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few virtues." -- Abraham Lincoln Return to table of contents
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 16:38:49 -0800 (PST) From: Kent Fletcher <fletcherhomebrew at yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Greetings & Rolling Christmas Toast Redbeard redbeard47.ny at netzero.net proposed a rolling toast at noon tomorrow (Christmas Day). I second that! Personally, time constraints did not allow me to brew a Christmas beer this year, so I compensated by getting a keg of SN Celebration. So, here's to all of us at noon on Christmas: "Here's to us! Who's like us? Damn Few! And they're all dead!" Kent Fletcher brewing in So Cal Return to table of contents
Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2002 17:46:52 -0800 From: "Dave Sapsis" <dsapsis at earthlink.net> Subject: long live free speech Good Folks, Bob Sheck gives us: >So, Kelvin: >Do you really think that the Muslims around you will allow you to produce >the evil yeasties? Maybe, perhaps, you will also innoculate these yeasties >with anthrax or worst? >Whatever, you got balls. Oh, and stuff that "warm regards" - In my dreams ><I mean, Nightmares> I found this offensive. At a time when this forum has recently been graced by inspiring contributions from all over the globe, and in the heart of the holiday season here, it is all the more disappointing. While this kind of ignorance and bigotry has a long history here in the good ol' U.S., it really doesn't do any of us much good. I find it incongruous with the spirit of this community, and although wholly inappropriate, I love free speech and Kelvin did ask for "any and every" reply. So, sorry Kelvin, but there you have it -- you are in Malaysia, so you are no doubt a terrorist hiding behind the lab coat of a microbiologist. Peace. - --dave sapsis, Sacramento Return to table of contents
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