HOMEBREW Digest #4649 Thu 11 November 2004

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  Copper ("Tom Clark")
  re: Barley crusher (David Thompson)
  over-spiced beer (Ralph Davis)
  Homegrown hop storage question. (Joe Gibbens)
  Re: Barley Crusher (Ed Jones)
  Re: over-spiced beer ("Spencer W. Thomas")
  Mmmm, Spicey! ("Pat Babcock")
  Re: copper v. stainless (Jeff Renner)
  Re: copper v. stainless (Steven Parfitt)
  electric turkey fryer (mo-rents-y)
  RE: Barley Crusher, Plus Mash Stirring Question ("Steve Smith")

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---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 22:56:28 -0500 From: "Tom Clark" <rtclark555 at charter.net> Subject: Copper In the past I have used a copper coil to cool my wort by submerging the coil in the wort and running cold water through the coil. I generally put the coil in place while the wort is still boiling for about the last five minutes of the boil: to sanitize the coil.. Then I am able very quickly cool the wort. I completely quit brewing because all my brews kept coming out too bitter. Could the copper have been contributing to the bitterness? I also have moved and we are now on a completely different water system. So, perhaps the water is the problem. I know that without filtering, I cannot get past the odor and taste of excessive chlorine. When I complained to one of the water utility's board members his answer was "Well if you can smell the chlorine, you know it's safe". Apparently, even though he is a registered nurse, he doesn't know chlorine can be deadly; that's why it is such an effective sanitizer. But, if a little chlorine does a good job, a whole bunch certainly doesn't do a better job of making the water safe! We now have a filter which is very effective so perhaps with the filtered water I could do better. I would like to get back into brewing but I don't like this excessive bitterness. What say you on the copper? Thanks Tom Clark Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 22:38:34 -0600 From: David Thompson <david at dtphoto.com> Subject: re: Barley crusher Steve Smith asks about the Barley Crusher. I got one last year.. it's been run by hand and by drill. It's a superb product and I highly recommend it. I used an automotive gap tool to make marks at my preferred adjustment points and it does a real nice job of crushing. I run the grains twice, once at a wide gap, and again at a narrow gap. I get great results each time I brew...... Dave "You can't be a real country unless you have a beer and an airline. It helps if you have some kind of football team or some nuclear weapons, but at the very least, you need a beer." - Frank Zappa Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 21:08:22 -0800 (PST) From: Ralph Davis <ralphwdavis at yahoo.com> Subject: over-spiced beer I think my Christmas brew this year (a strong, spiced doppel-bock lager) is overly spiced. It's got the usual mulling spices, cinamon, cloves, nutmeg, ginger and a bit of cardamon. I added these after boiling them an hour, at the end of the wort's boil. Anyone know a way to tone it down a bit? (its in the 2ndary fermentation now). I was thinking of adding more Polyclar (added a tablespoon to 5 gallons already), but I'm wondering if there is another way...or any way at all to make it a bit more subtle? ===== Ralph W. Davis ralph at thedavisfactor.com or ralphwdavis at yahoo.com (c) 703-507-9380 Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 07:18:53 -0600 From: Joe Gibbens <jgibbens at gmail.com> Subject: Homegrown hop storage question. Is it possible to store homegrown hops by vaccuum packaging and freezing, but not drying them? Joe Gibbens Hopedale IL Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 05:20:15 -0800 (PST) From: Ed Jones <cuisinartoh at yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Barley Crusher Steve Smith asked, "I was hoping that someone might let me know if they have been happy with this mill, or has any thoughts about its performance compared to the Valley or JSP. As usual, I have no affiliation with the company... I just want to know if it's a recommended product. Thank you." I've had mine for about 3 years now and I would recommend it. Honestly, I've never really bothered with adjusting the gap. If I'm milling a lot of wheat malt, I will run the grist through the mill twice. The cost, construction, and hopper (as you mentioned) were the primary reasons for my purchasing the mill. I operate it with a cordless drill. You can see a picture of my grain mill mounted to a table at: http://ironacres.com/brewery.html Ed ===== Ed Jones - Columbus, Ohio U.S.A - [163.8, 159.4] [B, D] Rennerian "When I was sufficiently recovered to be permitted to take nourishment, I felt the most extraordinary desire for a glass of Guinness...I am confident that it contributed more than anything else to my recovery." - written by a wounded officer after Battle of Waterloo, 1815 Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 08:31:27 -0500 From: "Spencer W. Thomas" <hbd-mod at spencerwthomas.com> Subject: Re: over-spiced beer Ralph Davis asks how to save his over-spiced Xmas beer. I've got one word: "Time". With time, the spices will tone down and blend together. If you don't want to wait, brew another beer without spices and blend. =S Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 09:21:07 -0500 From: "Pat Babcock" <pbabcock at hbd.org> Subject: Mmmm, Spicey! Greetings, Beerlings! Take me to your lager... Ralph Davis bemoans his over-spiced Christmas beer... Back in the Days of Yore, the days in which I actually BREWED beer, three monks - Brother Pat, Brother Rich, and Brother Mike - came together to brew a Christmas ale originally called Santa's Bunwarmer, but later renamed to Nightmare Before Christmas. Due to various distractions and other calamities, the brewing session was not quite to "recipe" (though, in hindsight, the recipe could have been one of the calamities - Just kidding, Brother Rich!:^) A taste of the wort nearly did in a nearby swordsman who stopped in the midst of battle to quench his thirst, and the early beer had a very Tide-like palate (yes, Tide. As in laundry detergent). Never willing to condemn a brew without a fair trial, I held on to this beer for months this beer, trying it now an again to see what had become of it. Most of these trials were disappointing, though you could detect a "mellowing" of the brew with each passing month. Then one day in late January of the following year, I drew a pint of the foul liquid to find... ...something quite pleasant! The detergent-like quality had given way to a smooth licorice, with hints of cinnamon and ginger. Quite enjoyable and, though not the hit of the preceding year's Chritmas shindig, it was enjoyed by more than a few at a February dinner-dance we attended! Nowhere near a session beer - a bit too powerful, and the flavors still a bit intense, it was nonetheless an interesting and enjoyable beer! (The beer of which I speak is chronicled an my old-and-abandonned webpage: http://hbd.org/pbabcock/oldsite/blow.off.from.hell.html) Spencer hits the nail squarely on the head: give it time. Unless (and, sometimes, even if...) a beer demonstrates a horrible infection, or extreme defect, time can create from it something which we could not. Let it age. I let Nightmare sit around several months before it became a drinkable and enjoyable brew. (But, as Brother Mike and many others can attest, that Muchos Grassy-ass Vienna never did become anything more than it was - even ten years after...) - -- See ya! Pat Babcock in SE MI pbabcock at hbd.org Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 10:03:59 -0500 From: Jeff Renner <jeffrenner at comcast.net> Subject: Re: copper v. stainless Raj B Apte <raj_apte at yahoo.com> writes >For me, the biggest problem is scorching in my thin, stainless pot. >(I use a direct-fired mash tun). So I've considered 2 approaches > >1. solid copper pot ... 2. copper metal spray. There is another obvious choice - aluminum. I brew in three 38 liter 5 mm thick aluminum stock pots with added spigots. They are thick, durable, light, inexpensive and have superior heat transference. Mine are Korean manufactured. I bought them back in the early 90s and they cost something like $80 each with lids, as I recall. The main problem is that they don't hold heat very well, which is, of course, the other side of the heat transference coin. That's no problem for the boiler, but I've insulated the mash tun with foil bubble wrap and don't use the hot liquor tun for sparge water any more. After I've heated it, I transfer it to an Igloo cooler. Aluminum health worries should not be a worry. Even if aluminum were of concern, it has been shown (Brewing Techniques article) that wort boiled in SS and aluminum have identical aluminum levels, and it's even lower than that of the brewing water. Apparently it's complexed and precipitated with the trub. Jeff - -- Jeff Renner in Ann Arbor, Michigan USA, JeffRenner at comcast.net "One never knows, do one?" Fats Waller, American Musician, 1904-1943 Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 07:30:48 -0800 (PST) From: Steven Parfitt <thegimp98 at yahoo.com> Subject: Re: copper v. stainless In HBD 4648 Raj Responds to Paul who is looking at Copper vs Stainless... >Hi Paul, >I have also been thinking along these lines. For me, >the biggest problem is scorching in my thin, >stainless pot. (I use a direct-fired mash tun). So > I've considered 2 approaches >1. solid copper pot. ...snip... >2. copper metal spray. ...snip... How about another (probably cheaper) solution. 3. Electroplate copper on SS. I've had several motorcycle parts chrome plated in the past at a local plater. Since the base layers for Chrome are copper then nickle, I would bet that a chrome plating operation could do a reasonable built up of copper for heat distribution at a moderate cost.. Steven Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 12:21:49 -0600 From: mo-rents-y <morentsy at gmail.com> Subject: electric turkey fryer I currently brew on an electric stove. Wouldn't one of these electric turkey fryers be an improvement in terms of the number of BTUs? http://www.turkey-fryers- online.com/electric_turkey_fryer.html - -- Get Firefox! - The safer, faster browser at www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 16:51:20 -0700 From: "Steve Smith" <sasmith at in-tch.com> Subject: RE: Barley Crusher, Plus Mash Stirring Question I would like to thank the many people (at least 10) who responded to my request for feedback on the Barley Crusher malt mill. I did not respond to all of you individually for lack of time, but since all replies indicated real satisfaction with the product, I'm gonna get me one 'o them suckers! I do have one other question in light of my inexperience at all-grain brewing (I've made only two batches so far). At what point (length of time) does someone stir the mash too much? Because I batch sparge, I also wonder what the optimal stir time is during the sparge (first after adding sparge water, and then a few minutes before recirculating) . I realize that because I mash in a 10-gallon cylindrical Rubbermaid beverage cooler, to which no additional heat can be applied except via additions of more hot or boiling water, that I am limited as to how much time I spend stirring because due to exposure to the air my mash temperature will eventually drop below target. Other than that, does one want to spend about 2 - 3 minutes stirring say, 11 lb. of grain at the beginning of the mash, plus another 2 minutes midway through the mash, and during the sparge stir just long enough (another 1 - 2 minutes?) to suspend the remaining sugars? Does too much stirring result in extraction of nasty tannins? I realize there are different opinions held on this subject, and that any answer reflects a brewer's personal craft, but there must be some scientific guidelines... I have not had great success in researching this question. Thanks. Oh, my first two batches, though below the target OG, turned out very well... Steve Smith Return to table of contents
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