HOMEBREW Digest #4854 Sun 25 September 2005

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  Re: Rauchbier: smoke grains then grind, or grind first? ("Greg 'groggy' Lehey")
  RE:Rauchbier: smoke grains then grind, or grind first? (Matthew Beck)
  smoking grains ("Peter A. Ensminger")
  Effficiency, again... ("Michael Eyre")
  metal fusion ring burner orifices (Ed Jones)

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---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 14:22:58 +0930 From: "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" <grog at lemis.com> Subject: Re: Rauchbier: smoke grains then grind, or grind first? On Friday, 23 September 2005 at 15:53:17 -0400, Chris Shenton wrote: > I'm planning on doing an all-grain Rauchbier this weekend, and smoke > the grains myself. I gather 10-20% or the grain should be smoked. >> From my searches, most folks seem to soak or wet the grains then smoke > them in a barbecue or smoker for 30-45 minutes on a screen. > > This may sound stupid, but would you grind the grain in the mill > before soaking and smoking, or smoke first then grind? If the latter, > do you need to dry out the grain completely before grinding? I've got > a Corona mill if that makes a difference. I have almost *no* experience with smoked beers, but I've never heard of smoking grain after crushing. German smoked grain is certainly done during malting, and I'd assume that this is the case elsewhere as well. If this is your first attempt at smoking, it makes sense to try smoking, then crushing. If you've already done that, it could be interesting to try smoking the crushed grain instead, but I suspect the results wouldn't be as good. Greg - -- Finger grog at lemis.com for PGP public key. See complete headers for address and phone numbers. Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 21:58:44 -0700 From: Matthew Beck <mcbeck at gmail.com> Subject: RE:Rauchbier: smoke grains then grind, or grind first? >I'm planning on doing an all-grain Rauchbier this weekend, and smoke >the grains myself. I gather 10-20% or the grain should be smoked. >From my searches, most folks seem to soak or wet the grains then smoke >them in a barbecue or smoker for 30-45 minutes on a screen. I recommend dry smoking your grain. I have my smoker rigged for 5 to 10 lbs of malt. I soak the wood chips for 15 minutes in purified water, then put them under the grain and light it up. I will lightly mist the grain and stir it. 15-20 minutes produces excellent flavor. The amount of water you add to the grain depends on how hot your smoker gets and how close to the heat source the grain is. I never go above 200 degrees F and my grain sits about 26-30 inches above the heat source. Smoke the grain whole, or you won't have any left when you are done. :0) Make sure the grain is dry before you mill it as well. Feel free to hit me with any further questions. CDB becksbrews.com Return to table of contents
Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 01:11:50 -0400 From: "Peter A. Ensminger" <ensmingr at twcny.rr.com> Subject: smoking grains I have always smoked whole grains before grinding. Never considered grinding then smoking. Maybe I should have. I expect that grinding then smoking would increase the surface area and the smoke (phenol) uptake. Just my guess. How much to smoke? Anywhere from 10% to 100% of your grains, depending on your procedure and taste preference. As I recall, Aecht Schlenkerla Rauchbier uses 100% beechwood smoked malt but Spezial uses ~50% smoked malt. In addition to procedure, you should consider the species of wood. I like hickory or mesquite, both of which can be intense. Others prefer apple, which is mild. If you like Ardbeg (Scotch whisky), you might try to make or buy peat-smoked malt. Try to pick up a copy of "Smoke Beer" by Larson and Daniels. A very nice reference. Sincerely, Peter A. Ensminger Syracuse, NY hbd.org/ensmingr Return to table of contents
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 19:58:57 -0700 From: "Michael Eyre" <meyre at sbcglobal.net> Subject: Effficiency, again... Hey all... Wanna talk about efficiency again. It's not me, honest, it's my brewing partner! He's obsessed with efficiency. He say "Mike, we should be at at least 75% and I calculate we're only at 50% in promash!" So, we walked through the calculations again, doing it the old fashioned way via calculator from a formula I found on the web in BYO, and it was spot on at 50% according to that math. We used 24.5 lbs of grain and came out with about 11 gallons, post boil, of wort at 1.050 O.G. Let me throw this out there to you all, if you were using 24.5 lbs of grain in your particular brew setups, would you get about that same O.G. or would it significantly different? I follow the recipes and such (mostly just recipe formulation stuff, not actual recipes in the back...) in the Brewmasters Bible book by Snyder that I have here. His formulation tables are all for 5 gallon batch sizes, so we just take everything, for the most part, and double the average weight of grain he specifies and everything comes out right on target for the style. Honestly, I don't know what more you could want, but my partner insists we're missing out. And when he say "Mike, we should have had a mid 1.060 beer for this IPA" I'm not sure I can disagree with him much longer. What do you all think? Mike Return to table of contents
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 17:54:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Ed Jones <cuisinartoh at yahoo.com> Subject: metal fusion ring burner orifices I recently moved and I'm trying to get back into the groove, and that includes brewing. The last time I brewed was in early February of this year. I used to brew in the basement of my old house and had converted my burners to natural gas. You can see pics of my old brewery here: http://twistedspine.org/brewery/ I am moving my brewery to the garage and would like to go back to high-pressure propane. Does anyone know where I can buy new orifices for my metal fusion burners? Since I drilled out the orifices for nat gas, I need to buy new ones. Thanks! Ed Jones - Columbus, Ohio U.S.A - [163.8, 159.4] [B, D] Rennerian "When I was sufficiently recovered to be permitted to take nourishment, I felt the most extraordinary desire for a glass of Guinness...I am confident that it contributed more than anything else to my recovery." - written by a wounded officer after Battle of Waterloo, 1815 Return to table of contents
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