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	FORUM ON BEER, HOMEBREWING, AND RELATED ISSUES
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Contents:
  Re: Homebrew Digest Donation (Pete Calinski)
  Re: HBD is struggling to  meet its meager operating expenses of approximately $3500 per year. (Josh Sled)
  Nettle Beer Recipe & HBD short on cash$$ (slaycock)
  Starter for Lacto in Berliner Weisse (Mike Eyre)


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Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 12:46:30 -0400
From: Pete Calinski <petec.100 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Homebrew Digest Donation

Pat Humphrey and Others said:

"Please join me in donating"

I'm in for 5 (minimums).

Pete


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Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 13:07:08 -0400
From: Josh Sled <jsled at asynchronous.org>
Subject: Re: HBD is struggling to  meet its meager operating expenses of approximately $3500 per year.

Like Mr. Thompson, I too bear no ill will towards the HBD
administrators, and too have contributed financially in the past.
I do not know of the manner and restrictions by which the mailing list
is run; I support it more as an archive than as an active forum.

But I question the wisdom of spending $80/mo for hosting [1] when, e.g.,
Dreamhost charges $9/mo.

[1]: http://hbd.org/ledger_table.shtml

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Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 16:05:05 -0500 (CDT)
From: slaycock at discoverynet.com
Subject: Nettle Beer Recipe & HBD short on cash$$

Greetings again!
I have been exploring the garden in my woods for food and good stuff again
and I found Nettle, as in "stinging nettle". OK, not that I have never
encountered this eye opening weed before, but now I know of some of the
culinary, medicinal and nutritional aspects of this God given weed and am
looking for more usage of this herb (why not, I've got hundreds of pounds
of it in my woods! can I smoke it too?).
I've been doing some things with it in the kitchen with teas and greens.
To top this plant off, I've heard of folks using it for making our
favorite dish..beer!

Now I want to know if any of you's have ever developed a nettle beer?
I have found old recipies in books, but am looking for someone that has
experienced this beer in this last decade or so.
Can anybody help me with a good recipe or potential issues or formulations
with working with the nettle for making beer...other than the obvious
itchy aspect of this plant.
Thanks for any help with this!!


partII
MONEY SHORTAGE
I dont post often, but I do read ALL the digest's that appear on my e-mail
in box.  I'm not a computer geek, so I dont know all the "cool stuff" that
is going on in that world or how "much better" one thing over another is. 
However here's what I think, I think this digest is a great forum for
communicating and learning.  I have never felt that my ability to
communicate is stifled because of "something that we DON'T have here".

There may be a cheaper method of hosting this opposed to how its being
done and if that's the case, maybe its worth looking into, I know our
website for our homebrew club is way cheaper than 3g's plus a year, more
like a tank of gas a year. Can we have this same sort of format cheaper in
todays computer world?  If so can the change be made without feeling any
pain?

I like THIS format, I can find "chat" forum's all over the place, but this
is pure unadulterated info to chew on that was not available at my
original cruising place years ago "the brewery".  I moved here from "the
brewery" because of all the pissingandmoaning that developed over time and
became the norm with many of the posts. And this behavior was a result of
the "instant or live" forum format. (and in defense of "the brewery", I
learned TONS in my infant years of home brewing and I am grateful for that
forum and loved that forum, but it just got too petty after a while, add
to that a couple blowhard "experts" that were dominating everybody's input
and I was out of there, no fault of the brewery, just the neighborhood got
stinky) For the most part the contributors here are normally not being
jerks or condescending in how they address questions or discussions, and
that is why I stay here and haven't visited "the brewery" for years.

I have contributed over the years financially, but to my shame not
consistently.  To that end I will be sending a check again Pat, or does
paypal work today?  I'll figure it out.

To Pat & helpers thanks for your continued commitment to keeping this
thing running.  I'm sure you've had plenty of moments, and extended
moments ready to blow up your server and stop the madness once and for
all.
Cheers to you Pat and also to all those folks that are behind the lines
and keeping this going! Not to mention your family that puts up with the
time you burn with this HBD.. I owe you a couple beers for sure!

Cheers!
Steve in KC
Highwater Brew Haus

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Date: Sun, 30 May 2010 11:56:14 -0400
From: Mike Eyre <mikeeyre74 at gmail.com>
Subject: Starter for Lacto in Berliner Weisse

Hey all,

I'm putting together a Berliner Weisse recipe that I plan to brew in the next
few weeks. I've never done this style before, but do have some experience
with other sour and wild beers. My issue I'm writing about is this: My local
shop gave me (no cost) an old package of Lactobacillus that's not quite a
year old.. so, it's out of date. They only had the one in stock. Surely I can
make a starter with this and get it up to speed, though. The thing is, this
might be the right amount, if it was fresh, for 5 gallons, but I'm doing 10.. 
I'm having a bit of an issue finding a good way to make a starter for
lacto. I'm reading stuff about no hops in the wort to very little hops in the 
wort you're using for the starter. I'm figuring a low grav wort somewhere
in the 1.025-ish range? Ferment times are eluding me, however.. I've
heard everything from a few days to two weeks is required. What volume
of starter is appropriate for Lacto for 10 gallons? I'm thinking 2 quarts-ish.
is that right? Should I cool and then decant this thing when it's done, or
pitch the whole thing? The rest of the recipe seems pretty 
straightforward.. 60/40 Pils to Wheat, hop to about 5 IBU, and pitch the
lacto first and give it about two days before punching it in the face with
a neutral ale strain to finish the job. That's my plan, anyway. Any
other suggestions, in general, for a good sour brew? 

Mike Eyre
mikeeyre74 at gmail.com
www.mikesupsanddowns.blogspot.com







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