HOMEBREW Digest #5825 Wed 13 April 2011


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Contents:
  HBD Format ("David Houseman")
  All In One HERMS System Control ("Eric \"Rick\" Theiner")
  Of wheels and other such inventions... ("Pat Babcock")

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---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 07:13:35 -0400 From: "David Houseman" <david.houseman at verizon.net> Subject: HBD Format Pat et al, I'm sorry but I just don't get it. HBD is certainly not the only discussion digest, I know I'm on a number. And this issue of formatting seems to only be an issue here on HBD. There are a number of softwares that would serve this purpose. Having Pat write a word-wrapper is re-inventing the wheel. Why do that? HBD is the people, the participation and the knowledge, not specific software. Can't an off-the-shelf forum software be used? I know I can post from my laptop (MS Mail deals with the right line lengths) but I can't from my Verizon on-line mail client. Dave Houseman Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 08:45:02 -0400 From: "Eric \"Rick\" Theiner" <rick at ecologiccleansers.com> Subject: All In One HERMS System Control I don't have time to craft the post I was going to, but I'm looking for an easy option for HERMS control; inputs of temp and possibly levels and outputs for relays for heaters (I'm electric) and pumps. Without skewing the results by talking about what I've found, what ideas do you guys have? I can do my own plumbing and wiring (yes, I now have someone doublechecking my house current stuff) but programming is beyond me, nor do I want to take the time to learn. I'll be starting from the ground up in terms of the control, so any thoughts on sensors, boxes, interfaces, etc, are encouraged. Rick P.S. I love the digest format, but doing away with the 80 character thing would be the best thing I could imagine happening here!<g> Thanks for working on it, Pat. Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 09:07:26 -0400 (EDT) From: "Pat Babcock" <pbabcock at hbd.org> Subject: Of wheels and other such inventions... Greeting, Beerlings! Take me to your circular frame of hard material that may be solid, partly solid, or spoked that is capable of turning on an axle and which reduces the effort required to move an object placed atop it or upon a central axle connected therein... Dave Houseman writes: "I'm sorry but I just don't get it. HBD is certainly not the only discussion digest, I know I'm on a number. And this issue of formatting seems to only be an issue here on HBD. There are a number of softwares that would serve this purpose. Having Pat write a word-wrapper is re-inventing the wheel. Why do that? HBD is the people, the participation and the knowledge, not specific software. Can't an off-the-shelf forum software be used?" Use your memory to guide you, Dave. When the AHA took the HBD on, they did precisely what you suggest, and the result killed the Digest. The resulting meteoric rise in mail volume coupled with a precipitous fall in signal:noise drove many quality posters away. The majority: permanently. Yss, the Digest is it's posters; however, the OTHER part of what makes it the HBD - the part you seem to be forgetting - is the Digest's unique capability to allow the poster to recall/cancel their posting before the next publication time. This allows the poster the ability to reconsider the content of their post should they suffer from "send button remorse" and/or a need to cancel and revise/repost for added clarity. I believe even you have made use of this feature over the years. Are you aware of any "off the shelf" package incorporating this? Neither am I. Also, there's the Digests moderation policy and method - the part none of you can see (ignore the men behind the curtains...). The Digest is set up such that if a travesty of nature were to wipe out the pool of Janitors, the Digest will still publish (assuming that same travesty didn't wipe out all the posters...). The moderation schemes I've encountered in "off the shelf" packages are all or nothing: either content is moderated or it is not. If moderated, the inability of the moderator(s) to reach the queue and pass the mail through prevents publication of the mailing. Yes, many of these packages allow you to turn on and off a "moderation bit" for individual posters, but for this to work, a poster must be on the subscription list. Not so on the Digest - where the majority of readers pick it off the web, anyway. One of those "off the shelf systems" would, at worst, preclude web-readers' abililty to post or, at best, make the subscription list nighmarish to maintain. (I'm speaking from experience - I run several of these "off the shelf" lists...) Modernizing the HBD is not a bad thing. It's feature set remains pretty much unique among mailing lists, and that alone makes it worthy of effort. Being about the oldest email digest script out on the 'net still running pretty much in its original form is another. But my long ago promise to keep it thus is the the most compelling of them all - rather than renege, I am happy to reinvent the wheel; of course, given the time and reference material, suitable boulder, chisel, and striker... - -- See ya! Pat Babcock in SE Michigan Chief of HBD Janitorial Services http://hbd.org pbabcock at hbd.org Return to table of contents
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