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Contents:
  Star San (David Perez)
  Well, good day! (Chris.Pittock)
  Re: Beer engines... (Teresa Knezek)
  Re: Star San (HBD 4530) ("Craig S. Cottingham")
  Fortnight of Yeast, 2004 ("Rob Moline")
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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 23:50:25 -0400
From: David Perez <perez at gator.net>
Subject: Star San

William Erskine asks about Star San, "I am wondering how
 fragile it is?  If I leave a mixture of the solution uncovered
for 24 hours, does this affect its sanitizing effect?"

William,

I had similar issues and questions a couple of years ago
when the cap on my bottle of Star San broke. I emailed 5
Star and they said that exposure to air will not effect the
undiluted Star San. The primary issue with storing and
reusing Star San is maintaining the ph in the proper range
(which escapes me at the moment. (One too many beers as
I was bottling for the Sunshine Challenge)). I store star San
in a spray bottle and a one gallon container for months at a
time by using distilled water to dilute with. This keeps the
mixture in the proper ph range.

Dave Perez
Hogtown Brewers
Gainesville, Fl



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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 13:54:44 +1000
From: Chris.Pittock at dpi.vic.gov.au
Subject: Well, good day!

Good Day,

I am the so-so wealthy son of a scientist.  After he retired, he left me a
big bag of advice...

If you want to be rich:
*  don't get into academia
*  don't respond to Kenyan Cons
*  keep an eye on the only child of your sixth wife
*  buy quality trunks with sturdy locks, and
*  get back to work!

;-)




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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 20:15:06 -0800
From: Teresa Knezek <teresa at mivox.com>
Subject: Re: Beer engines...

On or thereabout 4/28/04, <Cave at psc.org> spoke thusly:
>	I have been wanting to have a couple of beer engines on my bar
>for some time now.  I have considered buying a couple of Angram beer
>engines, but the high cost, and difficulty (in Canada) in finding
>replacement parts and expertise in mainentaining these a bit of an
>issue.


I've gotten two on ebay, at reasonable prices, and have found 
virtually no need for maintenance (outside rinsing them out after 
use). And, most of the parts that would wear out are things along the 
lines of gaskets and other bits that you could probably find 
equivalent parts for at a local plumbing supply shop.

Secondhand beer engines are available regularly from UK sellers. The 
shipping is a bit of a monster (around $50 USD), but they're great to 
have. From what I've seen, there's almost always a couple up for bid.

I wouldn't worry too much about Angram vs. other brands either. I saw 
more pubs in the UK using non-Angram pumps than I did the Angram 
brand anyhow, and the beer tastes the same no matter what 
manufacturer made the pump. ;-)

- -- 
::Teresa : Two Rivers, Alaska::
[2849, 325] Apparent Rennerian

"It has been my experience that folks who
have no vices have very few virtues."
                      -- Abraham Lincoln


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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 23:37:38 -0500
From: "Craig S. Cottingham" <craig at cottingham.net>
Subject: Re: Star San (HBD 4530)

On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 23:27:14 -0400, "William Erskine" <werskin at
sympatico.ca> wrote:
> I have a question regarding the fragility of Star San.  
> I have been using this sanitizer with a great deal of success 
> for over a year now.   I am wondering how fragile it is?  If I leave  
> a mixture of the solution uncovered for 24 hours, does this 
> affect its sanitizing effect?  I keep forgetting to pour it back
> into the jug I store it in, or sometimes I leave the cap off the
> jug.  Does this weaken its effectiveness?

According to http://www.paddockwood.com/product_info.php?products_id=158
(which oddly is more informative than Five Star's own website):

"Star San...remains effective as long as the pH remains below 3. In
practice this means that Star San remains active as a sanitizer for
several days in an open vessel. In a closed container Star San can
remain active for 4 weeks or more."

- -- 
Craig S. Cottingham
craig at cottingham.net



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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 23:48:42 -0500
From: "Rob Moline" <jethrogump at mchsi.com>
Subject: Fortnight of Yeast, 2004

			Fortnight of Yeast, 2004
			   5.31.04 - 6.11.04
		Dr. Clayton Cone- Dr. Tobias Fischborn-Dr. Forbes Waldrop

     I am pleased to announce that Dr.'s Clayton Cone, Tobias Fischborn and
Forbes Waldrop have graciously agreed to host a 2 week period of answering
yeast related questions from the members of the HBD, commencing May 31st,
2004 through June 11th, 2004..
     Dr.'s Cone, Fischborn, and Waldrop, certainly among the most generous
of the brewing world's experts may be joined by others in answering your
questions, as Dr. Cone states, "No one can know it all!"
     Questions may be submitted to the HBD, 5.31.04 up to the
posts/questions that appear in the HBD 6.11.04. Dr.'s Cone, Fischborn, and
Waldrop will answer any and all questions at their discretion...
     Standards to be followed.....
     1. Questions MUST be sent to the HBD, submitted to post at hbd.org  , and
submitted with "Fortnight Of Yeast, 2004" in the subject line, with or
without further
subject heading.
     2. Questions shall be accepted for response via HBD, 5.31.04 through
6.11.04. Dr.'s Cone/Fischborn/Waldrop have graciously allowed that follow-up
may be required post the cut-off point, and they will deal with that on an
as needed basis.
     3. Reprinting of the Questions and Answers may be published by
Lallemand and Dr.'s Cone/Fischborn/Waldrop, at their discretion, in any
media. Attribution of name is granted by the questioner, without further
publication of any e-mail addresses.

     Brewers ...we are ever so fortunate to have Dr. Clayton Cone, Dr.
Tobias Fischborn and Dr. Forbes Waldrop add their decades of expertise to
what we  at  the HBD exist for..."Brewers Helping Brewers!"
	Gentlemen, Thank you!

Cheers!
Jethro Gump

Rob Moline
Lallemand
515-282-2739 brewery
515-450-0243 cell

"The More I Know About Beer, The More I Realize I Need To Know More About
Beer!"

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Date: Fri, 29 Apr 1994 07:50:11 +0200
From: Thomas Rohner <t.rohner at bluewin.ch>
Subject: Beer at Dinnerparties

Hi Alexandre, hi All
Your observation on women seems to be a global one.
Most women i know and what i see in bars and restaurants
don't drink beer. When they drink something alcoholic, it's
wine, champagne, alocopops or longdrinks. There is of course
a small percentage of beer drinking ladies, especially in
summertime.
When ladies come to our brewery, i let them try some beer in
small glasses. Since most beers we brew are of low bitterness,
they tell me they like it. They even say: hey if i could buy
beers like that in other places, i'd do it.
That coincides with your Dubbel and Wit story.
I let my grilfriend try the wonderful "New Glarus Apple Ale",
a Hoegaarden Grand Cru and a Verbooder Vrucht.
She liked them very much. In the end i don't see the alcohol
content as a dividing line. It's the bitterness.

Cheers to you with a IPA

Thomas



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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 07:19:52 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
From: rickdude02 at earthlink.net
Subject: Star San Shelf Life

William Erskine wonders if he's compromising a Star San solution by 
leaving it open to the air.  The answer is no.  What compromises the 
solution is contamination over time, so there's little to worry about 
WRT to air contact for extended periods.

Rick


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