---

	FORUM ON BEER, HOMEBREWING, AND RELATED ISSUES
		Digest Janitor: pbabcock at hbd.org


***************************************************************
       THIS YEAR'S HOME BREW DIGEST BROUGHT TO YOU BY: 

          Northern  Brewer, Ltd. Home Brew Supplies
Visit http://www.northernbrewer.com  to show your appreciation!
               Or call them at 1-800-681-2739

    Support those who support you! Visit our sponsor's site!
********** Also visit http://hbd.org/hbdsponsors.html *********


Contents:
  Rennerian coordinates (Leo Vitt)
  Re: Post your location ("SLRJK")
  Re: Post your location ("Martin Ammon")
  Location (Stuart Lay)
  Leo Vitt's coords (Jason Henning)
  location (Vincent Dongarra)
  Big SS pot... ("Michael Eyre")
  Re: Post your location ("mark l.")
  yeast- ale or lager (Scott Birdwell)
  Post your location (Scott and Cherie Stihler)
  Location ("Ted Manahan")
  Location (Beaverplt)
  RE: Question: how to pick/separate hops ? ("Dave and Joan King")
  re: Post Your Location (Tony.Steeper)


* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
*           The HBD Logo Store is now open!             *
*            http://www.hbd.org/store.html              *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
*  Suppport this service: http://hbd.org/donate.shtml   *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
*   Beer is our obsession and we're late for therapy!   *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Send articles for __publication_only__ to post@hbd.org

If your e-mail account is being deleted, please unsubscribe first!!

To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE send an e-mail message with the word
  "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to request@hbd.org FROM THE E-MAIL
  ACCOUNT YOU WISH TO HAVE SUBSCRIBED OR UNSUBSCRIBED!!!**
IF YOU HAVE SPAM-PROOFED your e-mail address, you cannot subscribe to
  the digest as we cannot reach you. We will not correct your address
  for the automation - that's your job.

HAVING TROUBLE posting, subscribing or unsusubscribing? See the HBD FAQ at
http://hbd.org.

LOOKING TO BUY OR SELL USED EQUIPMENT? Please do not post about it here. Go
instead to http://homebrewfleamarket.com and post a free ad there.

The HBD is a copyrighted document. The compilation is copyright 
  HBD.ORG. Individual postings are copyright by their authors. ASK 
  before reproducing and you'll rarely have trouble. Digest content 
  cannot be reproduced by any means for sale or profit.

More information is available by sending the word "info" to 
req@hbd.org or read the HBD FAQ at http://hbd.org.

JANITORs on duty: Pat Babcock (pbabcock at hbd dot org), Jason Henning,
                  and Spencer Thomas



----------------------------------------------------------------------


Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:03:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: Leo Vitt <leo_vitt at yahoo.com>
Subject: Rennerian coordinates


This is the first time I looked up my new coordinates since moving from
MN to NE:

The calculator says...

[988.6, 271.8] Apparent Rennerian

Is that right?  By memory, Nebraska is more south than Michigan.  the
second coordinate is degrees from north right?  271.8 suggest a touch
north of straight west.  Did Jeff move south????

Leo Vitt
Sidney, NE


		


Return to table of contents


Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 06:29:18 -0500
From: "SLRJK" <slrjk at egyptian.net>
Subject: Re: Post your location

Steve Rockey

Location: Jacob, Illinois  Southern Illinois about 2 hours south of St.
Louis on the banks of the Mississippi.

Avid reader...occasional poster...beer lover!





Return to table of contents


Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 07:12:18 -0500
From: "Martin Ammon" <SURFSUPKS at KC.RR.COM>
Subject: Re: Post your location

Marty Ammon
Kansas City Bier Meisters
Kansas City, Kansas



Return to table of contents


Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 07:40:29 -0500
From: Stuart Lay <zzlay at yahoo.com>
Subject: Location

Greetings from the Ouachita National Forest and Crystal Springs, 
Arkansas!

Apparent Rennerian [741,227]

stuart



Return to table of contents


Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 09:51:03 -0400
From: Jason Henning <jason at thehennings.com>
Subject: Leo Vitt's coords

Leo Vitt asks:
 > The calculator says...
 > [988.6, 271.8] Apparent Rennerian
 > Is that right? By memory, Nebraska is more south than Michigan.

Nebraska roughly falls between 40 and 43 degrees latitude. Michigan 
roughly falls between 41.5 and 47 degrees. Sidney is about 41.1 degrees 
and Ann Arbor is about 42.3 degrees.

 > The second coordinate is degrees from north right? 271.8 suggest a 
touch north of straight west. Did Jeff move south????

You're measuring an arc over a sphere as apposed to a segment directly 
connecting the points. This changes your shortest path. We tend to think 
in terms of a flat surface when we are really measuring a sphere and 
that's what gets us in to trouble. And latitude lines lie! They lead you 
to believe that they are the shortest line but they are not, especially 
as they get closer to the poles.

Take Sidney at N 41.1 W 102.9 and some spot in Mongolia, N 41.1 E 102.9. 
Same latitude but 180 degree difference longitude. You wouldn't say that 
following 41.1 would be the shortest distance, the shortest is 0 degrees 
(directly across the North Pole). The similar thing is happening between 
Sidney and Ann Arbor, just not as dramatically.

Take a look at your direction to Ann Arbor, you would guess it to be 
close to 90 degrees. It's 79 degrees.

Cheers,
Jason Henning
Whitmore Lake, MI



Return to table of contents


Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 10:14:25 -0400
From: Vincent Dongarra <vdongarra at gmail.com>
Subject: location

Vincent Dongarra in Montgomery Village, MD
http://kaffeedogsbrewhaus.blogspot.com/
[408.2, 119.7] Apparent Rennerian [statute miles]


Return to table of contents


Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 12:11:04 -0700
From: "Michael Eyre" <meyre at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Big SS pot...

Hello all!

Got a new piece of equipment the other day and I'm now wondering what to
do with it. A fellow was cleaning out an estate and found a custom
fabricated Stainless Steel (SS) uh.. thing. It's like a big pot on
tripod legs, but hasn't got a opening in the top. It's got a slightly
rounded top and bottom and straight walled sides, about 18" tall and the
same diameter, so it's a little bigger (4-5 gallons capacity) than a
standard 1/2 bbl keg. Like I said, it's got no opening at the top, but
instead has only three NPT fittings around the top of the vessel on the
sides and one NPT fitting near the bottom, on the side as well (meaning
the actual top and bottom are solid pieces with no holes in 'em). It
appears to have flame marks on the bottom, so I know it was direct fired
by something before. The tripod legs are only 6" tall, so I can't really
get a burner under it on my current brewery setup, cause that's a three
tier stand custom made for holding kegs. 

My question is, what should I do with it? Use it for a boil pot or s
mashtun? Cut open the top and bottom and slide it over the mashtun to
use as a insulator of some sort? Put my current keg inside it and use
this as a jacket to heat the tun? Hang onto it until I find some sort of
conical bottom to attach to it? 

The guy who gave me this also has three coils of 1" SS tube, that looks
like they were wraped around a keg sized thing. Basically, an enormous
immersion chiller looking thing. The tube is probably 50-80 feet long if
you stretched it out. What could that be used for, any ideas? 

Thanks!

Mike



Return to table of contents


Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 12:58:17 -0400
From: "mark l." <mplarrivee at cox.net>
Subject: Re: Post your location


>Brewers
>
>It's time for my semi-annual request that posters tell us their name  
>and location.
>  
>
[snip]

>Jeff
>- ---
>Jeff Renner in Ann Arbor, Michigan USA, jsrennerATumichDOTedu
>"One never knows, do one?"  Fats Waller, American Musician, 1904-1943
>Calculate your Rennerian Coordinates at
>http://hbd.org/rennerian_table.shtml
>
>  
>

Ok, I'm here.

Occasional poster,

Mark L.  Hope Valley, RI

Now lets se if this if I can do this right...

[623.4, 90.8] Apparent Rennerian (statute miles)




Return to table of contents


Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 14:22:09 -0500
From: Scott Birdwell <defalcos at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: yeast- ale or lager

Eric asked:

 . . . I remember reading that the "true" definition of wether a yeast  
is ale or
lager is not if it is top or bottom fermenting, but if it can convert a
certain sugar. Can anyone help here?. . .

Eric,
     I believe that the definition is that lager yeast will convert  
maltriose, while ale yeast will not.  I'm not certain, but I seem to  
remember this was the "acid test."

Scott Birdwell
DeFalco's Home Wine & Beer Supplies
Houston  TX
www.defalcos.com



Return to table of contents


Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 11:58:39 -0800
From: Scott and Cherie Stihler <stihlerunits at mosquitonet.com>
Subject:  Post your location

Scott Stihler
Fairbanks, Alaska

[2874, 324.9] Apparent Rennerian Statue Miles


Return to table of contents


Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 08:02:24 -0600
From: "Ted Manahan" <ted_manahan at hotmail.com>
Subject: Location

I live in sunny Fort Collins Colorado, which seems to be [1107.8, 269.2deg] 
AR

We're lucky to have New Belgium Brewing in town, as well as several other 
fine breweries. There's an Oud Bruin on tap at Coopersmith's brewpub (yum!)

I'm getting ready to bottle last year's Kreik. A pale ale with only 
homegrown hops is about ready to keg. And I'm going to make a holiday stout 
next weekend. Life is good!

Ted Manahan




Return to table of contents


Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 06:54:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Beaverplt <beaverplt at yahoo.com>
Subject: Location

Hi All,

I'm more of a lurker than a poster. I truly enjoy
reading this. I live in Sussex, WI. I've never had my
address converted into Rennerian. I guess this is my
chance. My question for everyone is about clone brews.
I found a recipe in a clone brew book for New Glarus
Blegian Red. I brewed it exactly according to the
recipe and it came out nothing like the original. It's
actually a very good cherry ale but, again, not what I
wanted. Has anyone else found these "clone" recipes to
be off? I'd really like to make a brew as close to the
original as I can. Any ideas?

Jerry "Beaver" Pelt


	
		


Return to table of contents


Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 17:19:09 -0400
From: "Dave and Joan King" <dking3 at stny.rr.com>
Subject: RE: Question: how to pick/separate hops ?

Ah yes, hop picking is time consuming, but so worth it.  I have about a 10 
foot wide hop bed, growing up the South side of my garage, mostly Cascades, 
some Fuggles mixed in.  I got around 50 oz., dried, this season.  The plants 
are about 7 years old.

In late July, and through August, I pick them as they look to be "ripe," 
which is a rough guess.  I use a ladder, pick them individually, or in small 
handfuls, and pitch them over my shoulder.  After I'm done for the day (1/2 
to 1 hour's work), I get down and pick them up, transferring them to some 
window screens on strings, then they get hoisted into my garage rafters, 
where it's nice and hot, as well as dry.  In 1.5 to 2 days, they're dried 
(stems break, don't bend), and they go into quart jars, backfilled with CO2, 
and go to rest in my beer fridge freezer.

This is very time consuming, but I think it's worthwhile, both in getting 
the hops nearer their peak, and getting only about 3 to 5 oz. at a time 
allows me to dry them quickly, which I think are important to good flavor 
and aroma.  FWIW,

    Dave King, Brewers In the Endicott Region (BIER)
      [396.1, 89.1] Apparent Rennerian (Endicott, NY)




Return to table of contents


Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 11:05:14 +1000
From: <Tony.Steeper at csiro.au>
Subject:  re: Post Your Location 

Devoted reader, first time poster - howdy!

Tony Steeper
Canberra Brewers Club

Brewing in The Old RSL Club
Captains Flat, New South Wales

Awstraylya




Return to table of contents

---