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Contents:
  Valhalla-The Meading of Life - Results - Correction ("David Houseman")
  Greg's RC ("Spencer W. Thomas")
  "Kegbot" ... and beers which are corrosive to it?? (Bill Velek)
  Pyramidical (Tony.Steeper)
  Rennerian Coordinates calculator (Steve Jones)
  Berkshire County Homebrew association (stencil)
  Re: location (richard.s.sloan)
  Re: Post your location (Terry Felton)
  Using steel (Damon)
  Post Your Location (Dan Jeska)
  Big SS pot - or is it called a tank? (Calvin Perilloux)
  Apparent Rennerian ("Joe Aistrup")
  Location ("Brian Schar")
  Re: Post your location ("Larry")


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Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 23:07:55 -0400
From: "David Houseman" <david.houseman at verizon.net>
Subject: Valhalla-The Meading of Life - Results - Correction

One correction to the prior results posting for Valhalla mead competition.
Third place for category 24 A&B, Dry and Semi-sweet meads, was award to Ed
Walkowski, Dalton, PA, not Christopher Boyd.  We apologize for the error; we
just picked up the wrong version of the typed results file.

Dave Houseman



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Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 00:35:13 -0400
From: "Spencer W. Thomas" <spencer at spencerwthomas.com>
Subject: Greg's RC

Greg,

I thought that Singapore was just about smack-on the equator.

Google Earth tells me that the airport is 1 deg 21 min N, 103 deg 59 min E.

The Rennerian calculator (http://hbd.org/franklin/other/rc.html) tells
me that you're pretty far away:

[9375.7, 348.8deg]

=Spencer



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Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 01:18:36 -0500
From: Bill Velek <billvelek at alltel.net>
Subject: "Kegbot" ... and beers which are corrosive to it??

Thought that all of my brewer friends on various forums would find this 
interesting, so I'm taking the liberty of cross-posting this a bit; I 
hope none of you mind.  If this creates any problems, please let me know 
and I won't do it anymore.

I don't recall seeing this posted on these forums, unless I just missed 
it somehow, but I came upon an interesting modification of a kegerator, 
called "Kegbot".  It is a kegerator which has been modified to monitor 
how much beer is dispensed, when it is dispensed, to whom it is 
dispensed, etc.  It does this with a linux system on a laptop, along 
with a flowmeter which measures the beer, and a system called "iButton" 
which requires individual users to access the Kegbot with a unique 
microchip 'key' of sorts (actually, its a small button).  All very 
interesting, and I can see where this might be particularly useful in 
clubs and fraternal organizations where each member can help himself yet 
pays for the amount of beer he consumes.

Here is the link: http://kegbot.org/ -- although this gives the 
impression that this is just some gadget for drunks holding drinking 
contests.  However, I think that it really could have serious potential 
when used for the right purposes.

This 'features page' is a bit more serious: http://tinyurl.com/86mxt
 ... or ... http://kegbot.org/project/features.php.html

Here is a link to some photos: http://tinyurl.com/bpl9w ... or ...
http://www.makezine.com/blog/archive/2005/07/_defcon_the_keg.html

And this link -- http://tinyurl.com/b4azm ... is to a question/answer on 
its FAQ page which indicates that "Budwiser, Coors, and Miller are not 
used, as they are thought to be extremely corrosive to the sensitive 
beer hardware..."  :-/   Heh, heh ... I assume that these guys are just 
discriminating beer drinkers, and that there really isn't anything in 
'budmilloors' to do any damage to the system ... or is there?

Cheers.

Bill Velek, Greenbrier, Arkansas (USA)



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Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:36:08 +1000
From: <Tony.Steeper at csiro.au>
Subject: Pyramidical 

A friend has just returned from the US and is raving about Pyramid
HefeWeizen. I'd like to attempt a clone, having never tasted it myself
and liking a challenge.

I've gleaned that its 60% wheat malt, some crystal and Liberty hops but
I'm unsure about the yeast. Some recipes suggest 1056 ale yeast but
Michael Jackson thinks they use a lager yeast. Anyone got any hints
about a yeast choice, or any other tips for brewing a PH?

Cheers,
Tony Steeper
Bro Mash

Canberra Brewers Club
Captains Flat, New South Wales
Australia




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Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 8:06:25 -0400
From: Steve Jones <stjones1 at chartertn.net>
Subject: Rennerian Coordinates calculator

Brian Levetzow (long time no see, Brian) wrote
the RC calculator that is located on the HBD at
http://hbd.org/rennerian_table.shtml. You get to
it by clicking on HBD FAQ, scrolling down to the
question 'Hey! What's this "Rennerian" stuff I
hear about on the hbd?' and clicking on it. Near
the end of the answer is a link to the calculator.

Yes Greg - it can handle your 'outlandish' coordinates.
Your brewery seems to be located at [10106.2 mi, 267.9
deg] Apparent Rennerian, assuming Jeff is at home.

Steve Jones, Johnson City, TN
State of Franklin Homebrewers (http://hbd.org/franklin)
[421.7 mi, 168.5 deg] AR


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Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 09:48:39 -0400
From: stencil <etcs.ret at verizon.net>
Subject: Berkshire County Homebrew association

The yawning void between the Capital District and the Pioneer Valley is being
filled:
The Berkshire County Homebrew Association will hold its organizational meeting
on Friday, November 18th at 5:30 PM at the Pittsfield Brew Works, 34 Depot
Street, Pittsfield, Massachusetts.  A tour of the brewery is planned.  For
further information, please e-mail 
<hbrewbeergeekATverizonDOTnet>

stencil sends

from Great Barrington
533.9, 87.2 AR (StMi)


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Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 08:09:51 -0700
From: richard.s.sloan at us.hsbc.com
Subject: Re: location

Richard Sloan
Brewing in San Diego, California

Daily reader of the HBD, but rare poster.
No club affiliations but I sometimes drink with the guys in Foam on the
Brain
Favorite recipe - Mild w/ Rye


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Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 11:30:24 -0400
From: Terry Felton <tdfelton at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Post your location

Gee, am I the only one who took this post to be a suggestion that we each
identify our location "when posting or responding" to this forum in the
future, and not a request for an immediate response?

The value of providing our locations is to enable alternate communications
(phone, in person) or even direct assistance. I'm not afraid to let anyone
know I live 30 miles south of Buffalo, but without any context, who really
cares?

Terry Felton
Absolutely unconcerned about where Jeff Renner is relative to me.



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Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 10:10:17 -0700 (PDT)
From: Damon <djyhm at yahoo.com>
Subject: Using steel

Hello,
I have been trying to find some perforated stainless
sheet metal to use in a large volume sparge apparatus
I have built, but to no avail.  Most dealers sell very
large quantities and salvage yards have turned up
nothing.  They do, however, have perforated plain
steel sheets.  I have been searching high and low for
info about using steel in the brewing process, but
internet searches bring up mainly "stainless STEEL". 
Would using regular steel for this purpose be bad
news?  I think I remember coming across a post a few
months back from someone who was still using a chipped
enamel pot after visiting a brewery that had some
steel involved somewhere in the process, but don't
remember for sure.

Any advice/references would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks, Damon


		


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Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:25:05 -0400
From: Dan Jeska <dan.jeska at gmail.com>
Subject: Post Your Location

Dan Jeska
Prairieville, Michigan
(84.9,277.3)



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Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 11:50:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: Calvin Perilloux <calvinperilloux at yahoo.com>
Subject: Big SS pot - or is it called a tank?

Michael Eyre reports that he was given a big stainless steel pot,
or at least something similar to a pot, perhaps more like a tank:

> It's like a big pot on tripod legs, but hasn't got a opening 
> in the top. It's got a slightly rounded top and bottom and 
> straight walled sides, about 18" tall and the same diameter
[...]
> only three NPT fittings around the top of the vessel on 
> the sides and one NPT fitting near the bottom, on the side 
> as well (meaning the actual top and bottom are solid pieces 
> with no holes in 'em). 

Curious.  I bet you could use that as a "hot liquor tank",
though, to store your infusion/sparge water during mash brewing.
If it's got the flame marks on the bottom, as you say, then
it's obviously already been used to heat liquid.  It wouldn't 
be as efficent as a well-insulated cooler, but it's free, right?
The question might be, what's inside?  Can you even peek in there?
There could be heaps of mineral deposits, but who knows?

> The tripod legs are only 6" tall, so I can't really get 
> a burner under it on my current brewery setup

There are burners with a very low profile.  I've got a
three-ring burner that is only about 2 or three inches tall.

You could also consider cutting an oval hole in the top for 
a cleanout, use a soda keg lid, and use one of the the upper 
outlets for an airlock, and have an unusual fermenter which
drains from the almost-bottom outlet, thus leaving the yeast
behind on the bottom.  Not great for harvesting yeast, but
it would work for racking the beer.  

The 1" stainless-steel tubing, by the way, is probably not
that useful for chilling, in case you're thinking in that
direction.  Due to the wide diameter, there'd be too much 
flow per surface area (especially given laminar flow for normal
flow rates at that diameter, instead of turbulent flow) for you 
to get good heat transfer.

Calvin Perilloux
Middletown, Maryland, USA
(previously Staines, England
 previously Turrella, Australia
 previously Bondi Junction, Australia,
 previously Erding, Germany
 etc.)



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Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:31:40 -0500
From: "Joe Aistrup" <joe_aistrup at msn.com>
Subject: Apparent Rennerian


Hello from Manhattan, Kansas

[3877.3, 338.7] Apparent Rennerian

Joe Aistrup
Little Apple Brew Crew




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Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:19:58 -0700
From: "Brian Schar" <schar at cardica.com>
Subject: Location

I'm at [2040.5, 273.6] apparent Rennerian, in Menlo Park, California.

Brian Schar



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Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 22:15:19 -0400
From: "Larry" <lcooney at tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Post your location

Well now, I've been reading HBD for about three years or so now and I don't
think I've ever posted anything! I live on the edge of the brewing universe in
Winter Haven, Florida (right where three of the four hurricanes criss-crossed
last year!) If I've done this correctly my Coordinates are [992.8, 172.6]
Apparent Rennerian Statute. Larry Cooney



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