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Contents:
  Re: A bit more on yeast and lagering (Scott Alfter)
  A.J.'s NRE ("Pete Calinski")
  Woman's Beer Preferences ("Pete Calinski")
  Re: beers for women (Denny Conn)
  Beer for women (David Edge)


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Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2006 22:53:54 -0700
From: Scott Alfter <scott at alfter.us>
Subject: Re: A bit more on yeast and lagering

Ken Anderson wrote:
> What motivated the question is the advice I hear given to newbies about how
> to start the lagering process, ie, lower the temperature 2 degrees per day
> until you've reached lagering temperature, the reasoning being that you
> don't want to "shock" your yeast with too quick of a temperature change.

I know this isn't the main point of what you're asking (about whether there's 
really anything going on when your Pils is chilling in the 30s for a few weeks 
in your fridge), but my experience is that the yeast can handle a faster 
temperature change than that.  I've gotten good results with a rate of change 
of 1 degree per hour.  (Fermentation temperature is monitored by an Apple II 
with some addon hardware I built and software I wrote, so changing the 
temperature on an hourly basis is no big deal for me.)  A rapid decrease, in 
addition to throwing the yeast into hibernation, also gets them to fall out of 
suspension...good if you want to clear yeast out of an ale before packaging, 
not so good if you want them to keep chewing on a lager for a couple or three 
months.

As to whether the yeast are actually doing anything during lagering, my 
understanding of the matter is that they are still at work, but at a greatly 
reduced rate.  That's only the "conventional wisdom" on the matter, though, 
which is what you're calling into question.  As to whether it really makes a 
difference, I can't say.  I've not tried rushing a lager; they've sat anywhere 
from 3 to 6 months (the latter when I've gotten lazy) before packaging.  It 
sounds like an experiment is in order, but who's willing to (potentially) 
sacrifice a batch?

Scott Alfter
scott at alfter.us



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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 09:21:49 -0400
From: "Pete Calinski" <pjcalinski at adelphia.net>
Subject: A.J.'s NRE

Regarding A.J.'s NRE.  I had the privilege of taking a tour of his
brewery/research lab a few years ago, while it was still under
construction............. Can you say Taj Mahal?????????  or better yet Taj
Ma Beer Hall.

Pete Calinski
East Amherst NY
Near Buffalo NY

http://hbd.org/pcalinsk


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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 09:25:40 -0400
From: "Pete Calinski" <pjcalinski at adelphia.net>
Subject: Woman's Beer Preferences

I also have noticed that, even among women that like all kinds of beer, they
tend to not prefer American Pale Ales.  I attributed it to the hop aroma.  I
think women like their flowery aroma to come from bouquets.


Pete Calinski
East Amherst NY
Near Buffalo NY

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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 08:48:55 -0800
From: Denny Conn <denny at projectoneaudio.com>
Subject: Re: beers for women

Linda, I am SO with you!  I have the same reaction when I see posts like 
this.  My wife prefers my 1.073 OG 75 IBU Rye IPA over any other beer...it 
was even developed to her tastes!  And she's far from an isolated 
case...most of the women in our club prefer what aren't normally thought of 
as "women's beer" (it pains me to even type that!)  Take a look at how many 
men are out there drinking tasteless "lite" beers and you'll see that it 
doesn't come down to gender...it comes down to appreciation for flavor!

         -------------->Denny

At 12:22 AM 9/20/06 -0400, you wrote:
>I'm a woman and posts like this make me bristle. I'm not picking on you
>Alexandre, you're asking a question that has been asked repeatedly on every
>beer forum I participate in. I have two responses to it though.
>1. If someone isn't into beer, why try to change that person's mind? Let
>her drink what she wants. Why do so many craft beer drinkers insist that it
>is their obligation to educate other drinkers?
>2. If there is a particular woman in your life you want to share beer with,
>ask her what she likes. Don't make a blanket generalization about all
>women, then ask a forum that is largely made up of men what women like
>(didn't Freud already do that?). Kevin Gray's observations were anecdotal
>and should not be generalized to all women. They refer only to his 
>experiences.
>I know many women who are into beer and like big beers, hoppy beers, strong
>beers, etc. Personally, I detest fruit beers and fruity American wheat
>beers. I'm also not a big fan of wit beers. I'd prefer a St. Bernardus Abt
>12 or a Blackout Stout any day over beers that are often considered
>"women's beers."
>Linda
>Champaign, IL




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Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2006 23:05:28 +0100
From: David Edge <webmaster at craftbrewing.org.uk>
Subject: Beer for women

Alexndre

Clearly no such thing...

I asked my wife what she wanted; she said "like your beer X only 
drier and hoppier",

So she brewed it. I thought it was too bitter; too dry;the judges disagreed.

Linda's right, chacun a son gout. But mind your back mate!

David Edge, formerly prizewinning home brewer...

David Edge, Webmaster
Craft Brewing Association
www.craftbrewing.org.uk



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