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  Re: beginning brewer (Scott Alfter)
  Re: Cooler Tun, Keg Temp, WYeast Online (TARogue)
  Wyeast (Randy Ricchi)
  RE: Wyeast Online Availability; Rennerian Coordinates (IT)" <stjones@eastman.com>
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  Re: What is an Apparent Rennarian? ("Doug Hurst")
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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 22:54:27 -0600
From: "Craig S. Cottingham" <craig.cottingham at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Wyeast Online Availability

On Jan 24, 2008, at 07:43, "Rogers, Mike" <mike.rogers at eds.com>  
wrote:

> I've checked online, but couldn't find any retailers.  MoreBeer also
> switched to White Labs.  Does anyone know of a good online source for
> Wyeast?


Northern Brewer (<http://www.northernbrewer.com/>) still carries  
Wyeast. No affiliation, save as a satisfied customer.

- --
Craig S. Cottingham
BJCP Certified judge from Olathe, KS ([621, 251.1deg] Apparent  
Rennerian)
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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 22:51:16 -0600
From: "Craig S. Cottingham" <craig.cottingham at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: beginning brewer

On Jan 24, 2008, at 04:05, "Alex Rigoni" <alex.rigoni at gmail.com>  
wrote:

> I want to make a picnic cooler mash tun w/ a manifold.  Should I
> bother drilling a hole in the side to use gravity flow or just run the
> outlet over the side of the cooler and siphon it out?

I'd drill the hole, if there's not one already. Most coolers seem to  
have a spigot in one end for draining liquid (or dispensing it); if  
so, you should be able to just unscrew it and use the existing hole.

I suspect that a siphon would be more trouble to start and maintain  
than is worth.

> Also, can put
> the manifold in the cooler before I begin the mash or should I wait
> until I'm ready to lauter?

Before you begin the mash. Otherwise, you'll have a devil of a time  
getting it to the bottom of the grain bed.

> I have 6 month old milled grain at home.  Is this considered to old  
> to use?


Personally, I wouldn't use it for making beer for drinking, as I'd be  
worried that the grain has staled. It should be fine for trying out  
your new mash tun (it should still mash and convert reasonably well;  
the resulting wort just may not taste very good), and you can always  
use the resulting wort as a yeast starter.

- --
Craig S. Cottingham
BJCP Certified judge from Olathe, KS ([621, 251.1deg] Apparent  
Rennerian)
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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 21:26:47 -0800 (PST)
From: Roy Roberts <psilosome at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Fridge/Freezer conversion to beer tap

I converted a mini-fridge using these instructions, and it worked out
nicely.  

http://www.antiochsudsuckers.com/tom/kegerator.htm

I picked up the fridge from Sears about two and half years ago when I
made the thing. It holds two kegs but just barely.  I run the gas
line in from outside and have a little splitter manifold inside the
fridge, which takes up a little space.


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> Contents:
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>   CO2 in Brazil (Fred M. Scheer)
>   Wyeast Online Availability ("Rogers, Mike")
>   Searchable HBD archive progress update (Scott Alfter)
>   Sanitizers & Acid Rinse (Dana Edgell)
>   RE: Counter pressure bottle filler ("Ronald La Borde")
>   Fridge/Freezer conversion to beer tap (Tom Puskar)
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> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 04:05:29 -0600
> From: "Alex Rigoni" <alex.rigoni at gmail.com>
> Subject: beginning brewer
> 
> Hi Gang,
> 
> I just have a few fundamental questions as I prepare to brew my 2nd
> batch (the first one turned out pretty good).
> 
> I want to make a picnic cooler mash tun w/ a manifold.  Should I
> bother drilling a hole in the side to use gravity flow or just run
> the
> outlet over the side of the cooler and siphon it out?  Also, can
> put
> the manifold in the cooler before I begin the mash or should I wait
> until I'm ready to lauter?
> 
> I have 6 month old milled grain at home.  Is this considered to old
> to use?
> 
> Thanks for the help.
> Alex
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 12:03:40 +0000
> From: fredscheer07 at comcast.net (Fred M. Scheer)
> Subject: CO2 in Brazil
> 
> HI Alex:
> You keep the beer at to low temperature.
> I recommend to keep at ~34*F and 10 PSI
> pressure, which will give you ~ 2.58 Vol. % CO2.
> I hope it helps.
> 
> - --
> Fred M. Scheer
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 07:43:12 -0500
> From: "Rogers, Mike" <mike.rogers at eds.com>
> Subject: Wyeast Online Availability
> 
> I'm suffering a bit here in Mid-Michigan with the lack of available
> Wyeast - make that availability of any fresh yeast.  Our one local
> shop
> has converted to White Labs due to White Labs retailer yeast
> recycle
> policy, and the ease of storage in the angled racks, but still
> seems to
> have trouble stocking fresh yeast.
> 
> I'm o.k. with White Labs products, but I much prefer several
> strains of
> Wyeast, especially the 1028 London Ale.
> 
> I've checked online, but couldn't find any retailers.  MoreBeer
> also
> switched to White Labs.  Does anyone know of a good online source
> for
> Wyeast?  
> 
> Mike Rogers
> Cass River Homebrewers
> Frankenmuth, Mi.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 10:27:42 -0800
> From: Scott Alfter <scott at alfter.us>
> Subject: Searchable HBD archive progress update
> 
> Things are moving along better than I expected.  Except for the
> most recent 
> additions to the archive at hbd.org, I have split out all the
> messages through 
> #5280 and dumped them into a MySQL database.  I thought I was going
> to have to 
> implement my own full-text search, but MySQL 5.x has one built in
> that seems to 
> work pretty well.  With it, I can do something like this:
> 
> select id from posts where match(body) against ('classic american
> pilsner') 
> limit 0,20;
> 
> to get the 20 most relevant posts on CAPs.  I have the homebrewing
> wisdom of 
> the ages (or at least of the past 2*10^-1 centuries :-) ) on tap.
> 
> With that milestone passed, now I just need to cobble together a
> web interface 
> and a system to keep the database updated with new articles.  The
> latter task 
> should be easy to set up as a procmail job on new arrivals; the
> scripts I wrote 
> to split digests only failed on some really old digests, and the
> script to 
> insert posts into the database worked flawlessly.  The web
> interface is just so 
> much scut work that needs to be done to make the database useful to
> the public.
> 
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Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 00:53:57 -0600
From: Dean <dean at deanandadie.net>
Subject: Searchable HBD

Check out Sphinx for full-text searching.

http://www.sphinxsearch.com/

I usually let google do the searching for me by adding a few bits and bobs to 
the search query:

site:hbd.org inurl:archive "hot side aeration"

That gets me all the digests out of the archive.

- --Dean
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Take your time, take your chances
[1709.5 km, 224.8 deg] Apparent Rennerian
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Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 23:16:29 -0800
From: Scott Alfter <scott at alfter.us>
Subject: Re: beginning brewer

Alex Rigoni wrote:
> I want to make a picnic cooler mash tun w/ a manifold.  Should I
> bother drilling a hole in the side to use gravity flow or just run the
> outlet over the side of the cooler and siphon it out?

My inclination would be to recommend against a siphon for this application;
it'll be a pain to get started and keep it going.  Depending on the cooler, you
may find that you can pass some copper or CPVC tubing through the spigot,
eliminating the need to drill.  For instance, the cooler that I use for a hot
liquor tank has a spigot that's just the right size for 3/8" o/d soft copper
tubing.  Some epoxy or RTV silicone pulled in with the tubing should seal it
up; you can then attach your manifold to that.

> Also, can put the manifold in the cooler before I begin the mash or
> should I wait until I'm ready to lauter?

It'll be nearly impossible to get the manifold in the bottom of the mash tun
once it's full of grain that's steeped in hot water.  Put it in at the
beginning.

> I have 6 month old milled grain at home.  Is this considered to old to use?

It's best to not mill it until you need it (having your own mill makes this
possible), but if it's been kept cool and dry in a sealed bag, I think it'd
still make good beer.

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Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 03:32:10 -0800 (PST)
From: TARogue <tarogue at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Cooler Tun, Keg Temp, WYeast Online

> From: "Alex Rigoni" <alex.rigoni at gmail.com>
> Subject: beginning brewer
> 
> Hi Gang,
> 
> I just have a few fundamental questions as I prepare to brew my 2nd
> batch (the first one turned out pretty good).
> 
> I want to make a picnic cooler mash tun w/ a manifold.  Should I
> bother drilling a hole in the side to use gravity flow or just run
> the
> outlet over the side of the cooler and siphon it out?  Also, can put
> the manifold in the cooler before I begin the mash or should I wait
> until I'm ready to lauter?
> 
Take it though the bottom. Plans for a good cooler mash tun can be
found at: http://hbd.org/cascade/dennybrew/

> From: fredscheer07 at comcast.net (Fred M. Scheer)
> Subject: CO2 in Brazil
> 
> HI Alex:
> You keep the beer at to low temperature.
> I recommend to keep at ~34*F and 10 PSI
> pressure, which will give you ~ 2.58 Vol. % CO2.
> I hope it helps.
> 
Just to clarify: that reads about 34 deg, not minus 34 deg.

> From: "Rogers, Mike" <mike.rogers at eds.com>
> Subject: Wyeast Online Availability
> 
> I've checked online, but couldn't find any retailers.  MoreBeer also
> switched to White Labs.  Does anyone know of a good online source for
> Wyeast?  
> 
Norther Brewer (http://www.northerbrewer.com/) has plenty.

 -Tom
http://www.tarogue.net/~tom/




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Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 07:55:47 -0500
From: Randy Ricchi <rricchi at houghton.k12.mi.us>
Subject: Wyeast

Mike,
You can get Wyeast at http://www.northernbrewer.com/wyeast.html

They're based out of St. Paul, Minnesota.


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Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 09:01:01 -0500
From: "Jones, Steve (IT)" <stjones at eastman.com>
Subject: RE: Wyeast Online Availability; Rennerian Coordinates

Mike Rogers asked if anyone knows of a good online source for Wyeast.

I also prefer Wyeast, and nearly always get mine from Grape and Granary
in Dayton, Ohio (www.thegrape.net). They carry both White Labs and
Wyeast and have a very good selection. You'll get it within 2-3 days,
and they package it in a sealed bag with a cold pack. A pretty good deal
for $5.99.

I have used WL yeast once or twice a year over the last 5 or 6 years -
especially when I need some yeast quickly. The LHBS (if local means 30
miles away) only carries WL. But I've had mixed results with it,
especially the last two times, when they failed to start - no activity
whatsoever. They were not exactly fresh, but were not anywhere near the
expiration date either, and the LHBS keeps them in a cooler, so storage
isn't the problem. One was 001, the other was 833. I always make a
starter, and neither of these ever took off. I have never had a Wyeast
smakpak fail to start - and I really like the visible indication of
activity (the swelling of the pak) that shows it is working. I will
probably quit using WL since I can get Wy in just a few days via mail
order.

Lance Harbison asked what's up with this Apparent Rennerian thing.

Lance, you are right in that it is a reference to Jeff, who usually does
a semi-annual post to ask folks to add their location to their posts so
everyone knows where they are. It has been said that Jeff is the center
of the homebrew universe, so some years ago a couple of us decided to
develop calculators to determine your Rennerian Coordinates - a vector
of distance and bearing from Jeff's house in Ann Arbor. Brian Levetzow
beat me to it by just a few hours, but I must also admit that his was a
little bit more accurate than mine as well. You can find it at
http://hbd.org/rennerian_table.shtml

It is really nice to see the renewed activity of HBD. I've been here a
long time, and used to post more frequently 6 or 7 years ago - I'll try
to do more to keep the digest going. But by the time you see this
(Saturday) I'll be on my way to the Atlanta Cask Ale Tasting! WooHoo!

Steve Jones, Johnson City, TN 
[421.8 mi, 168.5 deg] Apparent Rennerian
Member: State of Franklin Homebrewers 
Member: American Homebrew Association
Member: Beer Judge Certification Program




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Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 09:31:49 -0500
From: "Spencer W. Thomas" <hbd at spencerwthomas.com>
Subject: cooler conversion

I tried the siphon approach.  All I can say is that it worked, barely.  It 
was a long time ago, but I recall sucking on it multiple times to restart the 
siphon.  I bought a 10 gallon round water cooler, replaced the spigot with a 
valve and never looked back.

My recommendation is: buy a cooler that already has a drain hole, or if you 
already have the cooler, drill one.  Somebody used to sell (probably still 
does) a plastic "bulkhead" fitting with compression threads on both ends.  I 
ran a piece of 3/8" copper through it, tightened everything down, and had a 
nice watertight fitting to which I could attach the manifold (on the inside) 
and a valve (on the outside.)

=Spencer in Ann Arbor


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Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:50:06 -0600
From: "Doug Hurst" <dougbeer2000 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: What is an Apparent Rennarian?

Lance asked about Apparent Rennarian.  Looking in the cue it doesn't look
like Jeff Renner has answered, so I'll give it a go.

Jeff Renner has always been a proponent of people including their
location when they post.  This can be helpful if because someone
might be able to give regionally specific responses to your post.

It's all listed in the FAQ at http://www.hbd.org

To quote the faq:

Actually, it is apparent rennerian as Jeff is not yet static, so neither would
be your brewery's position to his location. Confused?  Long story, there.
In any case, it is a coordinate system developed to determine your
location relative to that of Jeff Renner's house. You see, it was deemed
that Jeff Renner is actually the center of the brewing universe, and, being
a courtesy to let other HBD readers know where you are (particularly when
asking questions of regional interest - Jeff was very, very vocal that such
information sould be included with every post, hence his title as center of
the brewing universe...), the rennerian coordinate system allows you to do
so in HBD terms.

Apparent Rennarian is expresed as a bearing and distance from Jeff
Renner's house.  It is *Apparent* Rennarian because it's not possible
to know Jeff Renner's actual location at any given moment, so
we us his house instead him.

Here's the calculator for determining your AR:
http://www.hbd.org/rennerian_table.shtml

There's all sorts of other useful information at hbd.org besides the FAQ.
For example, you can  see the HBD finances and find out how you
can contribute to keep this awesome resource alive.


:Doug Hurst
Chicago, IL
[215.6, 273] Apparent Rennerian


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Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 17:16:36 -0500
From: Chuck Martin <clmartin at theombudsman.com>
Subject: Re: Wyeast Online Availability

Mike,

Northern Brewer carries Wyeast. www.northernbrewer.com.


Chuck Martin
Avondale Software
123 N. McDonough St.
Decatur, GA 30030
404-373-3116, fax 404-373-4110
clmartin at theombudsman.com



On Jan 25, 2008, at 12:02 AM, "Rogers, Mike" <mike.rogers at eds.com>  
wrote:

> I'm suffering a bit here in Mid-Michigan with the lack of available
> Wyeast - make that availability of any fresh yeast.  Our one local  
> shop
> has converted to White Labs due to White Labs retailer yeast recycle
> policy, and the ease of storage in the angled racks, but still seems  
> to
> have trouble stocking fresh yeast.
>
> I'm o.k. with White Labs products, but I much prefer several strains  
> of
> Wyeast, especially the 1028 London Ale.
>
> I've checked online, but couldn't find any retailers.  MoreBeer also
> switched to White Labs.  Does anyone know of a good online source for
> Wyeast?
>
> Mike Rogers
> Cass River Homebrewers
> Frankenmuth, Mi.



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