HOMEBREW Digest #5283 Fri 25 January 2008


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Contents:
  Re: Wyeast Online Availability ("Craig S. Cottingham")
  Re: beginning brewer ("Craig S. Cottingham")
  Re: Fridge/Freezer conversion to beer tap (Roy Roberts)
  Searchable HBD (Dean)
  Re: beginning brewer (Scott Alfter)
  Re: Cooler Tun, Keg Temp, WYeast Online (TARogue)
  Wyeast (Randy Ricchi)
  RE: Wyeast Online Availability; Rennerian Coordinates (IT)" <stjones@eastman.com>
  cooler conversion ("Spencer W. Thomas")
  Re: What is an Apparent Rennarian? ("Doug Hurst")
  Re: Wyeast Online Availability (Chuck Martin)

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---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 22:54:27 -0600 From: "Craig S. Cottingham" <craig.cottingham at gmail.com> Subject: Re: Wyeast Online Availability On Jan 24, 2008, at 07:43, "Rogers, Mike" <mike.rogers at eds.com> wrote: > I've checked online, but couldn't find any retailers. MoreBeer also > switched to White Labs. Does anyone know of a good online source for > Wyeast? Northern Brewer (<http://www.northernbrewer.com/>) still carries Wyeast. No affiliation, save as a satisfied customer. - -- Craig S. Cottingham BJCP Certified judge from Olathe, KS ([621, 251.1deg] Apparent Rennerian) craig.cottingham at gmail.com Emailing from the Upper Mississippi Mashout 2008 Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 22:51:16 -0600 From: "Craig S. Cottingham" <craig.cottingham at gmail.com> Subject: Re: beginning brewer On Jan 24, 2008, at 04:05, "Alex Rigoni" <alex.rigoni at gmail.com> wrote: > I want to make a picnic cooler mash tun w/ a manifold. Should I > bother drilling a hole in the side to use gravity flow or just run the > outlet over the side of the cooler and siphon it out? I'd drill the hole, if there's not one already. Most coolers seem to have a spigot in one end for draining liquid (or dispensing it); if so, you should be able to just unscrew it and use the existing hole. I suspect that a siphon would be more trouble to start and maintain than is worth. > Also, can put > the manifold in the cooler before I begin the mash or should I wait > until I'm ready to lauter? Before you begin the mash. Otherwise, you'll have a devil of a time getting it to the bottom of the grain bed. > I have 6 month old milled grain at home. Is this considered to old > to use? Personally, I wouldn't use it for making beer for drinking, as I'd be worried that the grain has staled. It should be fine for trying out your new mash tun (it should still mash and convert reasonably well; the resulting wort just may not taste very good), and you can always use the resulting wort as a yeast starter. - -- Craig S. Cottingham BJCP Certified judge from Olathe, KS ([621, 251.1deg] Apparent Rennerian) craig.cottingham at gmail.com Emailing from the Upper Mississippi Mashout 2008 Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 21:26:47 -0800 (PST) From: Roy Roberts <psilosome at yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Fridge/Freezer conversion to beer tap I converted a mini-fridge using these instructions, and it worked out nicely. http://www.antiochsudsuckers.com/tom/kegerator.htm I picked up the fridge from Sears about two and half years ago when I made the thing. It holds two kegs but just barely. I run the gas line in from outside and have a little splitter manifold inside the fridge, which takes up a little space. - --- Request Address Only - No Articles <homebrew-request at hbd.org> wrote: > > > HOMEBREW Digest #5282 Thu 24 January 2008 > > > FORUM ON BEER, HOMEBREWING, AND RELATED ISSUES > Digest Janitor: pbabcock at hbd.org > > > *************************************************************** > THIS YEAR'S HOME BREW DIGEST BROUGHT TO YOU BY: > > Your Business Name Here > Visit http://hbd.org "Sponsor the HBD" to find out how! > > Support those who support you! Visit our sponsor's site! > ********** Also visit http://hbd.org/hbdsponsors.html ********* > > DONATE to the Home Brew Digest. Home Brew Digest, Inc. is a > 501(c)3 not-for-profit organization under IRS rules (see the > FAQ at http://hbd.org for details of this status). Donations > can be made by check to Home Brew Digest mailed to: > > HBD Server Fund > PO Box 871309 > Canton Township, MI 48187-6309 > > or by paypal to address serverfund at hbd.org. DONATIONS of $250 > or more will be provided with receipts. SPOSORSHIPS of any > amount are considered paid advertisement, and may be deductible > under IRS rules as a bsuiness expense. Please consult with your > tax professional, then see http://hbd.org for available > sponsorship opportunities. > *************************************************************** > > > Contents: > beginning brewer ("Alex Rigoni") > CO2 in Brazil (Fred M. Scheer) > Wyeast Online Availability ("Rogers, Mike") > Searchable HBD archive progress update (Scott Alfter) > Sanitizers & Acid Rinse (Dana Edgell) > RE: Counter pressure bottle filler ("Ronald La Borde") > Fridge/Freezer conversion to beer tap (Tom Puskar) > What is an Apparent Rennerian? ("LANCE HARBISON") > > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > * The HBD Logo Store is now open! * > * http://www.hbd.org/store.html * > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > * Suppport this service: http://hbd.org/donate.shtml * > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > * Beer is our obsession and we're late for therapy! * > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > Send articles for __publication_only__ to post at hbd.org > > If your e-mail account is being deleted, please unsubscribe first!! > > To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE send an e-mail message with the word > "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to request at hbd.org FROM THE E-MAIL > ACCOUNT YOU WISH TO HAVE SUBSCRIBED OR UNSUBSCRIBED!!!** > IF YOU HAVE SPAM-PROOFED your e-mail address, you cannot subscribe > to > the digest as we cannot reach you. We will not correct your > address > for the automation - that's your job. > > HAVING TROUBLE posting, subscribing or unsusubscribing? See the HBD > FAQ at > http://hbd.org. > > LOOKING TO BUY OR SELL USED EQUIPMENT? Please do not post about it > here. Go > instead to http://homebrewfleamarket.com and post a free ad there. > > The HBD is a copyrighted document. The compilation is copyright > HBD.ORG. Individual postings are copyright by their authors. ASK > before reproducing and you'll rarely have trouble. Digest content > > cannot be reproduced by any means for sale or profit. > > More information is available by sending the word "info" to > req at hbd.org or read the HBD FAQ at http://hbd.org. > > JANITORs on duty: Pat Babcock (pbabcock at hbd dot org), Jason > Henning, > and Spencer Thomas > > > - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 04:05:29 -0600 > From: "Alex Rigoni" <alex.rigoni at gmail.com> > Subject: beginning brewer > > Hi Gang, > > I just have a few fundamental questions as I prepare to brew my 2nd > batch (the first one turned out pretty good). > > I want to make a picnic cooler mash tun w/ a manifold. Should I > bother drilling a hole in the side to use gravity flow or just run > the > outlet over the side of the cooler and siphon it out? Also, can > put > the manifold in the cooler before I begin the mash or should I wait > until I'm ready to lauter? > > I have 6 month old milled grain at home. Is this considered to old > to use? > > Thanks for the help. > Alex > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 12:03:40 +0000 > From: fredscheer07 at comcast.net (Fred M. Scheer) > Subject: CO2 in Brazil > > HI Alex: > You keep the beer at to low temperature. > I recommend to keep at ~34*F and 10 PSI > pressure, which will give you ~ 2.58 Vol. % CO2. > I hope it helps. > > - -- > Fred M. Scheer > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 07:43:12 -0500 > From: "Rogers, Mike" <mike.rogers at eds.com> > Subject: Wyeast Online Availability > > I'm suffering a bit here in Mid-Michigan with the lack of available > Wyeast - make that availability of any fresh yeast. Our one local > shop > has converted to White Labs due to White Labs retailer yeast > recycle > policy, and the ease of storage in the angled racks, but still > seems to > have trouble stocking fresh yeast. > > I'm o.k. with White Labs products, but I much prefer several > strains of > Wyeast, especially the 1028 London Ale. > > I've checked online, but couldn't find any retailers. MoreBeer > also > switched to White Labs. Does anyone know of a good online source > for > Wyeast? > > Mike Rogers > Cass River Homebrewers > Frankenmuth, Mi. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 10:27:42 -0800 > From: Scott Alfter <scott at alfter.us> > Subject: Searchable HBD archive progress update > > Things are moving along better than I expected. Except for the > most recent > additions to the archive at hbd.org, I have split out all the > messages through > #5280 and dumped them into a MySQL database. I thought I was going > to have to > implement my own full-text search, but MySQL 5.x has one built in > that seems to > work pretty well. With it, I can do something like this: > > select id from posts where match(body) against ('classic american > pilsner') > limit 0,20; > > to get the 20 most relevant posts on CAPs. I have the homebrewing > wisdom of > the ages (or at least of the past 2*10^-1 centuries :-) ) on tap. > > With that milestone passed, now I just need to cobble together a > web interface > and a system to keep the database updated with new articles. The > latter task > should be easy to set up as a procmail job on new arrivals; the > scripts I wrote > to split digests only failed on some really old digests, and the > script to > insert posts into the database worked flawlessly. The web > interface is just so > much scut work that needs to be done to make the database useful to > the public. > === message truncated === Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 00:53:57 -0600 From: Dean <dean at deanandadie.net> Subject: Searchable HBD Check out Sphinx for full-text searching. http://www.sphinxsearch.com/ I usually let google do the searching for me by adding a few bits and bobs to the search query: site:hbd.org inurl:archive "hot side aeration" That gets me all the digests out of the archive. - --Dean - -- Take your time, take your chances [1709.5 km, 224.8 deg] Apparent Rennerian - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ours is the age that is proud of machines that think and suspicious of people who try to. - H. Mumford Jones Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 23:16:29 -0800 From: Scott Alfter <scott at alfter.us> Subject: Re: beginning brewer Alex Rigoni wrote: > I want to make a picnic cooler mash tun w/ a manifold. Should I > bother drilling a hole in the side to use gravity flow or just run the > outlet over the side of the cooler and siphon it out? My inclination would be to recommend against a siphon for this application; it'll be a pain to get started and keep it going. Depending on the cooler, you may find that you can pass some copper or CPVC tubing through the spigot, eliminating the need to drill. For instance, the cooler that I use for a hot liquor tank has a spigot that's just the right size for 3/8" o/d soft copper tubing. Some epoxy or RTV silicone pulled in with the tubing should seal it up; you can then attach your manifold to that. > Also, can put the manifold in the cooler before I begin the mash or > should I wait until I'm ready to lauter? It'll be nearly impossible to get the manifold in the bottom of the mash tun once it's full of grain that's steeped in hot water. Put it in at the beginning. > I have 6 month old milled grain at home. Is this considered to old to use? It's best to not mill it until you need it (having your own mill makes this possible), but if it's been kept cool and dry in a sealed bag, I think it'd still make good beer. _/_ Scott Alfter / v \ Visit the SNAFU website today! (IIGS( http://www.nevadabrew.com/ Top-posting! \_^_/ rm -rf /bin/laden >What's the most annoying thing on Usenet? Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 03:32:10 -0800 (PST) From: TARogue <tarogue at yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Cooler Tun, Keg Temp, WYeast Online > From: "Alex Rigoni" <alex.rigoni at gmail.com> > Subject: beginning brewer > > Hi Gang, > > I just have a few fundamental questions as I prepare to brew my 2nd > batch (the first one turned out pretty good). > > I want to make a picnic cooler mash tun w/ a manifold. Should I > bother drilling a hole in the side to use gravity flow or just run > the > outlet over the side of the cooler and siphon it out? Also, can put > the manifold in the cooler before I begin the mash or should I wait > until I'm ready to lauter? > Take it though the bottom. Plans for a good cooler mash tun can be found at: http://hbd.org/cascade/dennybrew/ > From: fredscheer07 at comcast.net (Fred M. Scheer) > Subject: CO2 in Brazil > > HI Alex: > You keep the beer at to low temperature. > I recommend to keep at ~34*F and 10 PSI > pressure, which will give you ~ 2.58 Vol. % CO2. > I hope it helps. > Just to clarify: that reads about 34 deg, not minus 34 deg. > From: "Rogers, Mike" <mike.rogers at eds.com> > Subject: Wyeast Online Availability > > I've checked online, but couldn't find any retailers. MoreBeer also > switched to White Labs. Does anyone know of a good online source for > Wyeast? > Norther Brewer (http://www.northerbrewer.com/) has plenty. -Tom http://www.tarogue.net/~tom/ Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 07:55:47 -0500 From: Randy Ricchi <rricchi at houghton.k12.mi.us> Subject: Wyeast Mike, You can get Wyeast at http://www.northernbrewer.com/wyeast.html They're based out of St. Paul, Minnesota. Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 09:01:01 -0500 From: "Jones, Steve (IT)" <stjones at eastman.com> Subject: RE: Wyeast Online Availability; Rennerian Coordinates Mike Rogers asked if anyone knows of a good online source for Wyeast. I also prefer Wyeast, and nearly always get mine from Grape and Granary in Dayton, Ohio (www.thegrape.net). They carry both White Labs and Wyeast and have a very good selection. You'll get it within 2-3 days, and they package it in a sealed bag with a cold pack. A pretty good deal for $5.99. I have used WL yeast once or twice a year over the last 5 or 6 years - especially when I need some yeast quickly. The LHBS (if local means 30 miles away) only carries WL. But I've had mixed results with it, especially the last two times, when they failed to start - no activity whatsoever. They were not exactly fresh, but were not anywhere near the expiration date either, and the LHBS keeps them in a cooler, so storage isn't the problem. One was 001, the other was 833. I always make a starter, and neither of these ever took off. I have never had a Wyeast smakpak fail to start - and I really like the visible indication of activity (the swelling of the pak) that shows it is working. I will probably quit using WL since I can get Wy in just a few days via mail order. Lance Harbison asked what's up with this Apparent Rennerian thing. Lance, you are right in that it is a reference to Jeff, who usually does a semi-annual post to ask folks to add their location to their posts so everyone knows where they are. It has been said that Jeff is the center of the homebrew universe, so some years ago a couple of us decided to develop calculators to determine your Rennerian Coordinates - a vector of distance and bearing from Jeff's house in Ann Arbor. Brian Levetzow beat me to it by just a few hours, but I must also admit that his was a little bit more accurate than mine as well. You can find it at http://hbd.org/rennerian_table.shtml It is really nice to see the renewed activity of HBD. I've been here a long time, and used to post more frequently 6 or 7 years ago - I'll try to do more to keep the digest going. But by the time you see this (Saturday) I'll be on my way to the Atlanta Cask Ale Tasting! WooHoo! Steve Jones, Johnson City, TN [421.8 mi, 168.5 deg] Apparent Rennerian Member: State of Franklin Homebrewers Member: American Homebrew Association Member: Beer Judge Certification Program Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 09:31:49 -0500 From: "Spencer W. Thomas" <hbd at spencerwthomas.com> Subject: cooler conversion I tried the siphon approach. All I can say is that it worked, barely. It was a long time ago, but I recall sucking on it multiple times to restart the siphon. I bought a 10 gallon round water cooler, replaced the spigot with a valve and never looked back. My recommendation is: buy a cooler that already has a drain hole, or if you already have the cooler, drill one. Somebody used to sell (probably still does) a plastic "bulkhead" fitting with compression threads on both ends. I ran a piece of 3/8" copper through it, tightened everything down, and had a nice watertight fitting to which I could attach the manifold (on the inside) and a valve (on the outside.) =Spencer in Ann Arbor Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 11:50:06 -0600 From: "Doug Hurst" <dougbeer2000 at gmail.com> Subject: Re: What is an Apparent Rennarian? Lance asked about Apparent Rennarian. Looking in the cue it doesn't look like Jeff Renner has answered, so I'll give it a go. Jeff Renner has always been a proponent of people including their location when they post. This can be helpful if because someone might be able to give regionally specific responses to your post. It's all listed in the FAQ at http://www.hbd.org To quote the faq: Actually, it is apparent rennerian as Jeff is not yet static, so neither would be your brewery's position to his location. Confused? Long story, there. In any case, it is a coordinate system developed to determine your location relative to that of Jeff Renner's house. You see, it was deemed that Jeff Renner is actually the center of the brewing universe, and, being a courtesy to let other HBD readers know where you are (particularly when asking questions of regional interest - Jeff was very, very vocal that such information sould be included with every post, hence his title as center of the brewing universe...), the rennerian coordinate system allows you to do so in HBD terms. Apparent Rennarian is expresed as a bearing and distance from Jeff Renner's house. It is *Apparent* Rennarian because it's not possible to know Jeff Renner's actual location at any given moment, so we us his house instead him. Here's the calculator for determining your AR: http://www.hbd.org/rennerian_table.shtml There's all sorts of other useful information at hbd.org besides the FAQ. For example, you can see the HBD finances and find out how you can contribute to keep this awesome resource alive. :Doug Hurst Chicago, IL [215.6, 273] Apparent Rennerian Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 17:16:36 -0500 From: Chuck Martin <clmartin at theombudsman.com> Subject: Re: Wyeast Online Availability Mike, Northern Brewer carries Wyeast. www.northernbrewer.com. Chuck Martin Avondale Software 123 N. McDonough St. Decatur, GA 30030 404-373-3116, fax 404-373-4110 clmartin at theombudsman.com On Jan 25, 2008, at 12:02 AM, "Rogers, Mike" <mike.rogers at eds.com> wrote: > I'm suffering a bit here in Mid-Michigan with the lack of available > Wyeast - make that availability of any fresh yeast. Our one local > shop > has converted to White Labs due to White Labs retailer yeast recycle > policy, and the ease of storage in the angled racks, but still seems > to > have trouble stocking fresh yeast. > > I'm o.k. with White Labs products, but I much prefer several strains > of > Wyeast, especially the 1028 London Ale. > > I've checked online, but couldn't find any retailers. MoreBeer also > switched to White Labs. Does anyone know of a good online source for > Wyeast? > > Mike Rogers > Cass River Homebrewers > Frankenmuth, Mi. Scanned by Webshield-outbound Return to table of contents
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