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Contents:
  pH/pH Probes ("A.J deLange")
  one of the best moments (leavitdg)
  Ann Arbor water pH ("Spencer W. Thomas")
  chimay yeast (Matt)
  Entries Now Accepted for Las Vegas Winterfest 2008...it's not too (Scott Alfter)


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Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 08:44:14 -0500
From: "A.J deLange" <ajdel at cox.net>
Subject: pH/pH Probes

Aaron,

The USEPA secondary MCL (which means it's of concern for aesthetic 
reasons and not to be taken too seriously if exceded) for drinking water 
pH is 6.5 - 8.6. WHO and the EEC both have guidelines of 6.5 - 8.5 but 
Canada requires 6.5 - 8.5 (note: I'm taking this from a publication 
dated 1992 so things could be  different today). Your water might be 
higher because the source is higher and your water treatment facility 
does not wish to bear the expense of adjsuting it or because they have 
set it to this level in order to protect their mains or a combination of 
the two. Surface water tends to go to pH 8.3 and a calcium hardness of 
about 50 ppm as CaCO3 dependent on CO2 in the air. Unless Al Gore buys 
up all our carbon credits the pH will, of course, plummet and life on 
earth, as we know it will end but how bad can that be relative to this 
hops shortage? But I digress. Should the source water be unusually soft 
the water company may push up the pH somewhat to encourage enough 
precipitation of CaCO3 to slow corrosion. Adding some calcium to the 
water would be an alternative. If you call the water board and ask for 
an explanation they will probably give you one.

The pH electrode came with a Hach  SensION family meter which I bought 
from them nearly 3 years ago. It is in their catalogue as PN 519365 - 22 
(with BNC for the pH and DIN for the ATC element) for $120. It is also 
available with the single SensION connector. I doubt that Hach has 
cornered the market on improved pH electrodes and expect that improved 
longevity relative to what we are used to might be expected from similar 
quality electrodes from the other manufacturers.

A.J.


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Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:03:52 -0500
From: leavitdg at plattsburgh.edu
Subject: one of the best moments

For me, one of the best moments in brewing is when you transfer from the primary
into the secondary, take a gravity reading, and have the opportunity of tasting
the not-yet-ready-brew.  The combination of anticipation, uncertainty, and,
often pleasure that ensues is beyond words!

I have been experimenting with WhiteLabs Saison (blend) and the sour in the
background is quite pleasant.  I hope that it is indeed the yeast, and not a
result of bad sanitation!

Darrell



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Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 11:27:53 -0500
From: "Spencer W. Thomas" <hbd at spencerwthomas.com>
Subject: Ann Arbor water pH

AJ speculates that "the water company may push up the pH somewhat ... to slow
corrosion." as an explanation for the average 9.3 pH of Ann Arbor water.  It
is my recollection that the pH is set at this level precisely for corrosion
reduction, but I can't find mention of it on the water treatment facility's
web site (http://snipurl.com/1ylpd, which is 
http://www.a2gov.org/government/publicservices/
water_treatment/Pages/default.aspx -- broken in two so the line is not too 
long for the HBD.) They do mention that they soften and then recarbonate the 
water during
treatment.

The water report, available from the web site, lists the pH as varying from
8.1 to 9.5 with an average of 9.3.  From this, I speculate that they may have
set the 9.3 average to prevent the minimum from dropping below 8 or so, but I
don't have evidence to back my speculation.

=Spencer in Ann Arbor




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Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 10:47:03 -0800 (PST)
From: Matt <baumssl27 at yahoo.com>
Subject: chimay yeast

I would wager I could produce beer with a hot/solventy flavor, using
almost any strain from Wyeast or White labs.  (I know because I have
done it with a fair number of them!)  So I don't think it's a function
of the WLP500.

The solventiness is likely to be cause by excess ethyl acetate ester,
possibly combined with fusels.  This is caused by fermentation that is
unhealthy in a certain sense (underpitching, underaeration,
insufficient nutrients are all potential causes).  What gravity and
volume was your beer, how much yeast did you pitch, how did you aerate,
was it all-grain, and how much adjunct did you use?  

There are a few good "rules of thumb" for these beers and perhaps you
violated one of them--which would mean it might be better to stick with
WLP500 and change your process, than to try another yeast using the
same process.

WLP500 can produce great Belgian style beers when treated a certain
way.  For instance, many beers from Lost Abbey and Russian River are
made with this strain and are not hot or solventy.  Whether or not they
taste like Chimay is another question though.

Matt




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Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 15:14:46 -0800
From: Scott Alfter <scott at alfter.us>
Subject: Entries Now Accepted for Las Vegas Winterfest 2008...it's not too

How about a Winterfest that's actually held in a winter month?

Las Vegas Winterfest 2008 is just weeks away, on 9 February 2008.  We're
looking to grow the competition back to what it used to be, and we need your
entries!

Two bottles and $7.00 is all it takes to get your beer, mead, or cider in.
Shipped entries are accepted 21 January to 1 February...in other words, Right
Now. :-) If you're coming from out of town to judge or steward, you can save a
few bucks and bring your entries with you.

This year's competition will be held at the Freakin' Frog, on Maryland
Parkway across from UNLV.  We'll need all of the judges and stewards we can
muster; if you're interested, send me some mail.  It's not too late!

For more detailed info, see our competition webpage:

http://www.nevadabrew.com/twiki/bin/view/Competitions/Winterfest08Announce

If you're not familiar with Las Vegas or don't know where to find the
Freakin' Frog, look no further than this link (split across two lines because
HBD barfs on long lines):

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=4700+Maryland+Pkwy,+Las+Vegas,+NV&i
e=UTF8&om=1&z=15&ll=36.104873,-115.137234&spn=0.023647,0.053301&iwloc=addr

Thanks, and good luck to all entrants!  I'd especially like to thank in
advance the judges and stewards, as without them, homebrew contests just
don't work. :-)

Scott Alfter
scott at beerandloafing.org




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