HOMEBREW Digest #5691 Wed 02 June 2010

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  Re: Donation ("Greg 'groggy' Lehey")
  HBD Status, hosting alternatives et al. (Patrick Babcock)

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Beer is our obsession and we're late for therapy! * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * NOTE: With the economy as it is, the HBD is struggling to meet its meager operating expenses of approximately $3500 per year. If less than half of those currently directly subscribed to the HBD sent in a mere $5.00, the HBD would be able to easily meet its annual expenses, with room to spare for next year. Please consider it. Financial Projection As of 21 May 2010 Projected 2010 Budget $3505.65 Expended against projection $ 892.11 Projected Excess/(Shortfall) ($1395.93) As always, donors and donations are publicly acknowledged and accounted for on the HBD web page. Thank you Send articles for __publication_only__ to post@hbd.org If your e-mail account is being deleted, please unsubscribe first!! To SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE send an e-mail message with the word "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" to request@hbd.org FROM THE E-MAIL ACCOUNT YOU WISH TO HAVE SUBSCRIBED OR UNSUBSCRIBED!!!** IF YOU HAVE SPAM-PROOFED your e-mail address, you cannot subscribe to the digest as we cannot reach you. We will not correct your address for the automation - that's your job. HAVING TROUBLE posting, subscribing or unsusubscribing? See the HBD FAQ at http://hbd.org. LOOKING TO BUY OR SELL USED EQUIPMENT? Please do not post about it here. Go instead to http://homebrewfleamarket.com and post a free ad there. The HBD is a copyrighted document. The compilation is copyright HBD.ORG. Individual postings are copyright by their authors. ASK before reproducing and you'll rarely have trouble. Digest content cannot be reproduced by any means for sale or profit. More information is available by sending the word "info" to req@hbd.org or read the HBD FAQ at http://hbd.org. JANITORs on duty: Pat Babcock (pbabcock at hbd dot org), Jason Henning, and Spencer Thomas
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 14:01:21 +1000 From: "Greg 'groggy' Lehey" <grog at lemis.com> Subject: Re: Donation On Tuesday, 1 June 2010 at 7:41:13 -0400, Steve Jones wrote: > I've made my donation. > > But isn't there a way we can continue all this with a different > hosting paradigm? $3500 or so per year is a lot to provide what has > basically become an archive of information. Indeed. I've offered Pat free (or possibly just very cheap) hosting, but he prefers to do it himself. That's certainly his prerogative, but it does sound a very expensive alternative. > With all the hosting services out there I don't see a need to > maintain our own server and t1 connection any longer. I realize that > there are many more pieces to the puzzle than hbd, bnv, recipator, > etc. but we should be able to come up with some way to provide > 80-90% of the same services with only 10-20% of the cost. > > But it will take someone more creative than I to come up with it. I'm still there, and I'm still prepared to help. But I don't want to push Pat where he doesn't want to go. Greg - -- Finger grog at FreeBSD.org for PGP public key. See complete headers for address and phone numbers. Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 15:36:43 -0400 From: Patrick Babcock <patrick.babcock at gmail.com> Subject: HBD Status, hosting alternatives et al. Greetings, Beerlings! Take me to your lager... My sincere thanks to all who have come forward to assist the HBD financially. Reading all the comments helps to settle the relevance of what we're doing, too.. Concerning the hosting of the HBD and the associated expense: These comments, too, are appreciated - as I commented recently to Spencer, I often toy with the idea of moving the whole ball of wax off-site so that, perhaps, I can slip under the waves and let someone else dog-paddle behind this particular raft. However... (there's always a "however".) The HBD is more than just a mailing list or archive - more than what most users see. Most who use the HBD mailing list are unaware that there are other functions/services running behind and alongside it. Also true: most who use the other portions of the network are unaware of the mailing list, etc. In any case, for what the HBD is and does, suffice it to say that most low-costs hosts will not contain the bandwidth without jacking up their charges. The higher-cost hosts which can and will contain the bandwidth become cost comparative when the number of machines and domains that make up Home Brew Digest, Inc. are tossed in. There is also a significant non-beer related charitable organization hosted by the HBD (and, yes: they, too come to the pump when the HBD is in financial need. Over the past several years, their members' donations to the server have helped to keep us afloat as well.) Yes, these things could ostensibly be separated and sent off-site separating their fiscal failures or fortunes - but the cost would be significantly higher as separately hosted solutions. All have some value to the community, and most would not survive on their own. Also, as some of the "gray beards" among us may remember, when I first took the HBD on, we were hosted for free by the Observer & Eccentric Newspapers (for which we remain eternally grateful!). As such, my ability to wrest the system out of the grip of hackers (of which there have been myriad), hardware failures (also myriad), software failures (ditto, but more readily contained remotely) was hampered by the fact that I hold a 40-hours-plus-per-week career, and the data center at which the HBD lived (10 miles from home, 12 miles from work) at the time was not open 24x7. Granted, hardware and linux distributions have come a long, long way since then but, frankly, I never want to relive those days. It was a hell of an education - the best way to learn something is while in a panic with little time available - but it was like surgery without anesthesia, too. Again, I appreciate these comments; however, I'm also not some wizened hermit living in isolation. I am aware - keenly aware - of the land- scape. It simply does not make fiscal sense to cast off the mooring lines at present as an operation. And to all of those who have rushed in to fill the financial void: thank you! It's like a reunion: I see many, many familiar names in the group of donors, but the family is growing: I see many new names as well. Note that updates to the site come few and far between at present (because my 40-hours-plus-per-week career is closer to a 90- hours-per week career of late), but I am still committed to updating the financial and donor pages to ensure you're kept abreast of the situation, and that all donors are acknowledged. (If they'd only pay me for the additional 50 hours per week, HBD finances wouldn't be at issue...) Thanks again. Pat Babcock Chief Cook and Bottle Washer HBD, Inc. Return to table of contents
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