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Contents:
  Irish Ale (GARY MASON  16-Jul-1991 1413)
  re: Water, water everywhere... (Darryl Richman)
  What light spectrum effects beer? (GC Woods)
  Re: Brewing software (Darryl Richman)
  Yeasts (Alec Jessiman)
  Watermelon Beer (Ron Karwoski)
  Microbreweries and Brewpubs (Greg Pryzby)
  Teleford's DME (Patrick_Waara.WBST129)
  Water, water everywhere... (Ken Schriner)
  Brewing with Well Water (Rick Myers)
  Muddy runoffs (BAUGHMANKR)
  HBD Posting (Tom Bower)
  brew kettles (Brian Bliss)
  ginger, aphids (Bill Crick)
  MEV Research (Bill Crick)


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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 91 10:47:47 EDT
From: GARY MASON 16-Jul-1991 1413 <mason at habs11.ENET.DEC.COM>
Subject: Irish Ale

Does anyone have a recipe (or two, or three, or...) for an Irish Ale?  If 
so, would you be good enough to post it?  Also, other than the AHA 
definition, does anyone have a good description of what one of these is?

Thanks...Gary

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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 91 07:54:16 -0700
From: darryl at ism.isc.com (Darryl Richman)
Subject: re: Water, water everywhere...

I've never had to deal with either sulfur or iron in my water.  But you
ought to get a copy of the transcripts from this year's AHA conference;
they should be out by the end of the year.  Greg Noonan gave a very
informative demonstration on testing water, including using a set of
inexpensive test kits to determine the make up of your water.  I'm
sure that all the details will be included in the transcripts.

		--Darryl Richman

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Date: 18 Jul 91 11:49:00 EDT (Thu)
From: GC Woods <gcw at garage.att.com>
Subject: What light spectrum effects beer?


I've been wondering, what part of the light spectrum effects the hops in
beer. Does fluorescent or indirect sunlight contain this part of the
light spectrum.

Also for the NYC area HBD folks the "Zip City Brewpub" will be opening
around the end of August (their estimate). The address is 3 West 18th
Street (NYC) and phone # is 212-366-6333.

					Geoff


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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 91 07:46:27 -0700
From: darryl at ism.isc.com (Darryl Richman)
Subject: Re: Brewing software

> This is a great idea.  Has anyone done this in a more portable fashion
> like for a spreasdsheet (e.g. 123 , Excel) or even in C?  I was
> planning on getting around to writing it someday, but hopefully
> someone has beaten me to it.  Thanks.

The Brewer's Worksheet is available from the various archives and is an
Excel spreadsheet I wrote to do recipe formulation work.  It will
assist in devising water treatment, beer color and original gravity,
and hop bitterness.  It has a lookup table for malts and adjuncts that
can be expanded if I forgot something that you want to use.  The water
treatment calculator takes entries of water salts and determines total
ppm from a base water you supply (from a water report).  If you also
supply the ion concentrations of a target water, it will give you the
differences and a % difference to assist in getting the overall profile
correct.  It also lets you select what units you want to work with
throughout the process (e.g., you can work in pounds or kgs, ounces or
grams, gallons or liters, and so on).  A brewer over on CompuServe, Art
Steinmetz, uploaded a version that had been translated to 1-2-3 on the
PC (sorry, I don't have a copy--would someone be willing to download
it and send it over to aem?).

The manual you get with The Brewer's Worksheet implies that this is a
commercial product.  I had thought about selling it, but decided that
polishing a spreadsheet template was more work than it was worth, so it
really is free.

I am working on a for-sale formulator/batch logger called The Brewer's
Planner.  This is written in C and the first version will be for the
Mac.  It should be available in the September time frame (look for an
ad in the Fall Zymurgy).  I demoed a prototype of it at the NH
Conference, and a lot of people seemed pretty interested.  I anticipate
that I'll sell it for $50, to keep it affordable.  I hope to release
one for the PC early next year.  (If this is too commercial, somebody
tell me and I'll shut up. ;-)

Other folks are doing similar things.  I know that larryba up in
Seattle is working on a formulator written in Visual Basic, and Doug
Henderson has a HyperCard stack with some interesting heuristics for
automatically determining water treatment.

		--Darryl Richman


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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 91 14:15:58 EDT
From: jessiman at kepler.harvard.edu (Alec Jessiman)
Subject: Yeasts

Hi-
  What is the difference between an attenuative yeast and an unattenuative
one?  
  			Thanks,
			Alec

Alec Jessiman				     jessiman at kepler.harvard.edu
Harvard University			    Division of Applied Sciences
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"I...take my hangovers as a consequence, not as a punishment" -Steinbeck

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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 91 14:06:42 CDT
From: rak at mayo.EDU (Ron Karwoski)
Subject: Watermelon Beer

I was reading the newspaper last night and I read a trivia piece that
said the Russians make a beer from watermelon juice. This sounded timely
and interesting though I can't imagine a Watermelon Stout. Is there anyone
out there who has ever used watermelon juice in making beer and could
provide some details?

Thanks,
Ron Karwoski        rak at bru.mayo.edu

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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 91 10:45:36 EDT
From: neptune!pryzby at uunet.UU.NET (Greg Pryzby)
Subject: Microbreweries and Brewpubs

The following list is available for free from AHA. It is compiled by
Institute for Brewing Studies. Typos are most likely mine. 

Updated 3/1/91

MB - microbrewery 
BP - brewpub
* denotes MB which also has a BP on premises

ALASKA
MB  Alaskan Brewing and Bottling Co.
         Juneau
    Yukon Berwing and Bottling Co.
         Anchorage

ARIZONA
MB  Crazy Ed's Black Mountain Brewing Co.
         Cave Creek
    Electric Dave Brewery
         Bisbee
BP  Barley's Brew Pub
         Phoenix
    Christopher Joseph Brewing Co./
    Bandersnatch Brewpub
         Tempe
    Hops Brewing Co.
         Scottsdale
    San Francisco Bar and Grill Brewpub
         Tuscon

CALIFORNIA
MB  Alpine Village Hofbrau
          Torrance
    Anderson Valley Brewing Co *
          Boonville
    Angeles Brewing Co
          Chatsworth
    Central Coast Brewing Co.
          San Luis Obispo
    Devil Mountain Brewery/Bay Brewing Co.
          Benicia
    Etna Brewing Co.
          Etna
    Firestone Brewing Co.
          Los Olivos
    Golden Pacific Brewing Co.
          Emeryville
    J&L Brewing Co.
          San Rafael
    Lind Brewing Co.
          San Leandro
    Los Angeles Brewing Co./Eureka
    Restaurant and Brewery *
          Los Angeles
    Mad River Brewing Co.
          Blue Lake
    Mendocino Brewing Co. *
          Hopland
    Nevada City Brewing Co.
          Nevada City
    North Coast Brewing Co. *
          Ft. Bragg
    Obispo Brewing Co.
          San Luis Obispo
    St Stan's Brewery, Pub and Restaurant *
          Modesto
    San Andreas Brewing Co. *
          Hollister
    Sierra Nevada Brewing Co./Sierra Nevada
    Taproom and Restaurant *
          Chico
BP  Back Alley Brewery and Bistro
          Davis
    Belmont Brewing Co.
          Long Beach
    Bison Brewing Co.
          Berkely
    Boulder Creek Brewing Co.
          Boulder Creek
    Brewhouse Grill, Mammoth Lakes
          Mammoth Lakes
    Brewhouse Grill, Santa Barbara
          Santa Barbara
    Brewpub on the Green
          Fremont
    Brown Street Brewing Co.
          Napa
    Buffalo Bill's Brewery
          Hayward
    Butterfield Brewery
          Fresno
    Callahan's Pub and Brewery
          San Diego
    Crown City Brewery
          Pasadena
    Dead Cat Alley Brewery
          Woodland
    Fullerton Hofbrau
          Fullerton
    Gordon Biersch Brewing Co. (#1)
          Palo Alto
    Gordon Biersch Brewing Co. (#2)
          San Jose
    Gorky's Cafe and Brewery
          Los Angeles
    Heritage Brewing Co.
          Dana Point
    Hogshead Brewpub
          Sacramento
    Humboldt Brewery
          Arcata
    Huttenhain's Benicia Brewpub
          Benicia
    Kelmers Brewhouse
          Santa Rosa
    La Jolla Brewing Co.
          La Jolla
    Lost Coast Brewing Co.
          Eureka
    Marin Brewing Co.
          Larkspur
    Monterey Brewing Co.
          Monterey
    Mt. Konocti Brewing Co.
          Lakeport
    Napa Valley Brewing Co./ Calistoga Inn
          Calistoga
    Okie Girl Brewery (formerly Grapevine Bry.)
          Lebec
    Karl Strauss' Old Columbia Berwery and Grill
          San Diego
    Pacific Coast Brewing Co.
          Oakland
    Red Kettle Fishery and Brewery
          Encinitas
    Rubicon Brewing Co.
          Sacramento
    San Francisco Brewing Co.
          San Francisco
    Santa Cruz Brewing Co. and Front Street Pub
          Santa Cruz
    Seabright Brewery
          Santa Cruz
    Sherwood Brewing Co.
          Chico
    Shields Brewing Co.
          Downtown Ventura
    SLO Brewing Co.
          San Luis Obispo
    Sudwerk Privatbrauerei Hubsch
          Davis
    Tied House Cafe and Brewery
          Mountain View
    Triple Rock Brewing Co.
          Berkeley
    Truckee Brewing Co./Pizza Junction
          Truckee
    Twenty Tank Brewery
          San Francisco
    Willett's Brewery
          Napa
    Winchester Brewing Co.
          San Jose
    
COLORADO
MB  Boulder Brewing Co. *
          Boulder
    Durango Brewing Co.
          Durango
    Odell Brewing Co.
          Ft. Collins
BP  Antlers Double Tree Hotel/Judge Baldwin's Brewing Co.
          Colorado Springs
    Breckenridge Brewery and Pub
          Breckenbridge
    Carver Brewing CO.
          Durango
    CooperSmith's Pub and Brewing
          Ft Collins
    The Hubcap Brewery and Kitchen
          Vail
    The Idle Spur Crested Butte Brewery and Restaurant
          Crested Butte
    Old Colorado Brewing Co.
          Ft. Collins
    Walnut Brewery 
          Boulder 
    Wynkoop Brewery Co.
          Denver

CONNECTICUT
MB  Charter Oak Brewing Co.
          Bristol
    New England Brewing Co.
          Norwalk
    New Haven Brewing Co.
          New Haven
    
FLORIDA
BP  Florida Brewing Co./Miami Garlic Grill and Brewpub
          Miami 
    Hops Grill and Bar (#1)
          Clearwater
    Hops Grill and Bar (#2)
          Tampa
    Kidder's Ale House
          Ft. Meyers
    Market Street Pub
          Gainsville
    McGuire's Irish Pub and Brewery
          Pensacola
    Mill Bakery, Brewery and Eatery (#1)
          Gainsville
    Mill Bakery, Brewery and Eatery (#2)
          Tallahassee
    Mill Bakery, Brewery and Eatery (#3)
          Winter Park
    River Walk Brewery
          Ft. Lauderdale
    Sarasota Brewing Co.
          Sarasota
    Tampa Bay Brewing Co.
          Tampa

GEORGIA
MB  Friends Brewing Co./Helenboch Brewery
          Helen

HAWAII
MB  Honolulu Brewing Co.
          Honolulu

IDAHO
MB  Coeur D'Alene Brewing Co./T.W. Fisher's
    "A Brewpub" *
          Coeur D'Alene
    Snake River Brewing Co.
          Caldwell
 
ILLINOIS
MB  Chicago Brewing Co.
          Chicago
    Pavichevich Brewing Co.
          Elmhurst
BP  Berghoff Brewery and Restaurant
          Chicago
    Chief's Brewing Co.
          Champaign
    Goose Island Brewing Co.
          Chicago
    Tap and Growler
          Chicago
    Weinkeller Brewery
          Berwyn

INDIANA
MB  Indianapolis Brewing Co.
          Indianapolis
BP  Broad Ripple Brewing Co.
          Indianapolis

IOWA
MB  Millstream Brewing Co.
          Amana
BP  Fitzpatrick's Brewing CO.
          Iowa City

KANSAS
BP  Free State Brewing Co.
          Lawrence

KENTUCKY
MB  Oldenberg Brewery *
          Fort Mitchell

LOUISIANA
MB  Abita Brewing Co.
          Abita Springs

BP  Crescent City Brewhouse
          New Orleans
    Mill Bakery, Brewery and Eatery (#4)
          Baton Rouge

MAINE
MB  D.L. Geary Brewing Co.
          Portland
BP  Gritty McDuff's
          Portland

MARYLAND
MB  British Brewing Co.
          Glen Burnie
    Wild Goose Brewery
          Cambridge
BP  Baltimore Brewing Co.
          Baltimore
    Sisson's Rest/South Baltimore Brewing Co.
          Baltimore

MASSACHUSETTS
MB  Boston Beer Co.
          Boston
    Mass. Bay Brewing Co.
          Boston
BP  Cambridge Brewing Co.
          Boston
    Commonwealth Brewing Co.
          Boston
    Northhampton Brewery at Brewster Court Bar
    and Grill
          Northhampton

MICHIGAN
MB  Frankenmuth Brewery
          Frankenmuth
    Kalamazoo Brewing Co.
          Kalamazoo

MINNESOTA
MB  James Page Brewing Co.
          Minneapolis
    Summit Brewing Co.
          St. Paul
BP  Sherlock's Home
          Minnetonka

MISSOURI
MB  Boulevard Brewing Co.
          Kansas City

MONTANA
MB  Bayern Brewing Inc. *
          Missoula
    Great Northern Brewing
          Columbia Falls
    Montana Beverage Ltd.
          Helena

NEBRASKA
BP  Union Brewery Co.
          Virginia City

NEW JERSEY
MB  Clement Brewing Co.
          Vernon

NEW MEXICO
MB  Manzano Mountain Brewing Co.
          Tijeras
    Santa Fe Brewing Co.
          Galisteo
BP  Embudo Station/Preston Brewery/Sangre
    de Cristo Brewing Co.
          Embudo

NEW YORK
MB  Buffalo Brewing Co./Abbott Square
          Buffalo
BP  Buffalo Brewpub
          Williamsville
    Chapter House Brewpub
          Ithaca
    Manhattan Brewing Co.
          New York
    Rochester Brewpub
          Rochester

NORTH CAROLINA
BP  Dilworth Brewing Co.
          Charlotte
    Greenshields Pub and Brewery
          Raleigh
    Loggerhead Brewing Co.
          Greensboro
    Mill Bakery, Brewery and Eatery (#5)
          Charlotte
    Weeping Radish Restaurant & Brewery (#1)
          Manteo
    Weeping Radish Restaurant & Brewery (#2)
          Durham

OHIO
MB  Columbus Brewing Co.
          Columbus
BP  Great Lakes Berwing Co.
          Cleveland
    Abbie's Landing (fomerly Growlers Grill & Bry)
          Dayton
    Hoster Brewing Co.
          Columbus
    Melbourne's Brewing Co.
          Strongsville

OREGON
MB  Bridgeport Brewing Co. & Public House *
          Portland
    Deschutes Brewery and Public House *
          Bend
    Edgefield Manor
          Troutdale
    Hood River Brewing Co.
          Hood River
    Oregon Brewing Co./Bay Front Brewery and 
    Public House *
          Newport
    Oregon Trail Brewery
          Corvallis
    Portland Brewing Co. *
          Portland
    Widmer Brewing Co. (#1)
          Portland
    Widmer Brewing Co. (#2)
          Portland
BP
    Cornelius Pass Roadhouse and Brewery
          Hillsboro
    Fulton Pub and Brewery
          Portland
    High Street Pub
          Eugene
    Highland Pub and Brewery
          Gresham
    Hillsdale Brewery and Public House
          Portland
    Lighthouse Brew-Pub
          Lincoln City
    McMenamin's 
          Beaverton
    Oak Hills Brewpub
          Portland
    Pizza Deli and Brewery
          Cave Junction
    Roger's Zoo
          North Bend
    Rogue River Brewing Co.
          Ashland
    Steelhead Brewing Co.
          Eugene
    Thompson Brewery and Public House
          Salem
    Williamette Brewing Co.
          Salem

PENNSYLVANIA
MB  Stoudt Brewery 
          Adamstown
BP  Dock St. Brewing Co. Brewery & Restaurant
          Philadelphia
    Happy Valley Brewery
          State College
    Pennsylvania Brewing Co./Allegheny Brewery & Pub
          Pittsburgh
    Philadelphia Brewing Co./Samuel Adams Brewhouse
          Philadelphia

TENNESSEE
MB  Bohannon Brewing Co.
          Nashville

TEXAS
MB  Dallas Brewing Co.
          Dallas

UTAH
MB  Schirf Brewing Co./Wasatch Brew Pub *
          Park City
BP  Eddie McStiff's
          Moab
    Salt Lake Brewing Co./Squatter's Brewpub
          Salt Lake City

VERMONT
MB  Catamount Brewing Co.
          White River Junction
    Otter Creek Brewing Co.
          Middlebury
    The Mountain Brewers Inc.
          Bridgewater
BP  Dewey's Ale House
          Brattleboro
    The Vermont Pub and Brewery of Burlington
          Burlington

VIRGINIA
MB  Old Dominion Brewing Co.
          Ashburn
    Virginia Brewing Co.
          Virginia Beach
BP  The Blue Muse
          Roanoke
    Blue Ridge Brewing Co.
          Charlottesville
    19th Street Brewery
          Virginia Beach

WASHINGTON
MB  Hale's Ales Ltd (#1)
          Colville
    Hale's Ales Ltd (#2)
          Kirkland
    Hart Brewing Co.
          Kalama
    Maritime Pacific Brewing Co.
          Seattle
    Pike Place Brewery
          Seattle
    Redhook Ale Brewery *
          Seattle
    Roslyn Brewing Co.
          Roslyn
    Thomas Kemper Brewing Co. *
          Poulsbo
    Yakima Brewing and Malting Co. *
          Yakima
BP  Big Time Brewing Co.
          Seattle
    Duwamps Cafe/Seattle Brewing Co.
          Seattle
    Fort Spokane Brewery
          Spokane
    Noggins Westlake Brewpub
          Seattle
    Pacific Northwest Brewing Co.
          Seattle

WISCONSIN
MB  Capital Brewery *
          Middleton
    Fox Classic Brewing Co.
          Appleton
    Lakefront Brewery
          Milwaukee
    Sprecher Brewing Co.
          Milwaukee
BP  Appleton Brewing Co./Dos Bandidos Brew
    Pub/Skyline House
          Appleton
    The Brewmaster's Pub
          Kenosha
    Cherryland Brewing Co.
          Sturgeon Bay
    Rowland's Calumet Brewery and Brewpub
          Chilton
    Water Street Brewery
          Milwaukee

WYOMING
MB  Otto Brothers' Brewing Co.
          Jackson

ALBERTA
MB  Big Rock Brewery 
          Calgary
    Strathcona Brewing Co.
          Edmonton
BP  Boccalino Pasta Bistro
          Edmonton
    Brewsters Brewpub and Brasserie (#2)
          Calgary

BRITISH COLUMBIA
MB  Granville Island Brewing Co.
          Vancouver
    Horseshoe Bay Brewing Co.
          Horseshoe Bay
    Okanagan Spring Brewery
          Vernon
    Shaftebury Brewing Co.
          Vancouver
    Sunshine Coast Brewers
          Sechelt
    Vancouver Island Brewing Co.
          Victoria
    Whistler Brewing Co.
          Wistler
BP  Leeward Neighbourhood Pub
          Comox
    Prairie Inn Cottage Brewery
          Saanichton
    Spinnakers Brewpub
          Victoria
    Swan's Brewpub/Buckerfield's Brewery
          Victoria

NEW BRUNSWICK
MB  Bavarian Specialties(Canada)/Hans Haus
    Brewery
          Riverview

NOVA SCOTIA
BP  Granite Brewery
          Halifax

ONTARIO
MB  Bixel Brewing Co.
          Brantford
    Creemore Springs Brewery
          Creemore
    Niagara Falls Brewing Co.
          Niagara Falls
    The Northern Algonquin Brewing Co.
          Markham
    The Upper Canada Brewing Co.
          Toronto
    Wellington County Brewery
          Guelph
    York Brewery
          Brampton
BP  Amsterdam Brasserie and Brewpub
          Toronto
    Blue Anchor Brewery
          Orillia
    CC's Brew Pub
          Mississauga
    CEEPS Barney's Ltd.
          London
    Charley's Tavern
          Windsor
    Denison's Brewing Co./Growler's Restaurant
          Toronto
    Diamond Hill Brew Pub
          Richmond Hill
    Flying Dutchman Hotel/Lighthouse Brewpub
          Bowmanville
    Heidelberg Restaurant and Brewery
          Heidelberg
    Jolly Friar Brasserie and Brewpub
          Sault Saint Marie
    Kingston Brewing Co.
          Kingston
    Kirkland Lake Bavarian Inn/Bernie's Brew Pub
          Kirkland Lake
    The Lion Brewery and Museum
          Waterloo
    Luxembourg Brewpub
          Mississauga
    Madawaska Tavern
          Arnprior
    Marconi's Steak and Pasta House
          Etobicoke
    Mash McCann's
          London
    Master's Brasserie and Brewpub
          Ottawa
    Port Arthur Brasseries and Brewpub
          Thunder Bay
    Queen's Inn/Taylor and Bate Ltd.
          Stratford
    Rotterdam Brewing Co.
          Toronto
    Tapsters Brewhouse
          Mississauga
    Tracks Brewpub (formerly Houston Track)
          Brampton
    Union Station Brewpub
          Markham
    Winchester Arms
          Mississauga

QUEBEC
MB  Brasal Brasserie Allemande
          Lasalle
    Les Brasseurs G.M.T.
          Montreal
    Massawippi Brewing Co.
          Lennoxville
    Brasserie McAuslan
          Montreal
    Les Brasseurs du Nord
          St. Jerome
    La Brasserie Portneuvoise
          St. Casimir
BP  La Cervoise 
          Montreal
    Le Cheval Blanc
          Montreal
    Crocodile Club
          Montreal
    Crocodile Club St. Laurent
          Montreal
    Golden Lion Brewing Co.
          Lennoxville
    L'Inox  
          Quebec City
    Mon Village Brewery
          Hudson

SASKATCHEWAN
BP  Barley Mill Brewpub
          Regina
    Brewsters Brewpub amd Brasserie
          Regina
    Bushwakker Brewing Co.
          Regina
    Cheers Roadhouse/Saskatoon Brewing Co.
          Saskatoon
    Clark's Crossing Brewpub
          Saskatoon
    Miner's Brewpub and Eatery
          Saskatoon

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Date: 	Thu, 18 Jul 1991 13:37:30 PDT
From: Patrick_Waara.WBST129 at xerox.com
Subject: Teleford's DME

Has anyone noticed a difference in the Teleford's dry malt extract lately?  I
used to use it exclusively, because it's good malt and was significantly
cheaper than the syrup, but for a time I was unable to get it from my local
supplier.  He now has it again, but it looks very different than it used to.
Teleford's used to have a crystaline quality to it; i.e., light used to shine
off the facets in the malt.  Now it is a very fine, dull powder much like
American Eagle dry.  Have they changed the way they malt their grains?  Are
they still using two-row malt or have they started using the 6-row stuff?  I
haven't had an opportunity to try the new Teleford's, so I can't tell whether
it tastes the same or not.  Anyone?

~Pat

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Date:         Thu, 18 Jul 91 15:34:06 CDT
From: Ken Schriner <KS06054 at UAFSYSB.UARK.EDU>
Subject:      Water, water everywhere...

On Wed, 17 Jul 91 16:11:58 EDT Tom Dimock said:
>I have some water questions for y'all.  I live in the country, and have
... (paraphrasing) ... "bad water"

I too live in the country, and my water is not that great, particularly
in the summer when the well is a little low, or in the spring, when the
well is a little high.  I solved this problem by buying my water at the
store.  I buy the cheapest water I can find, usually about $2.50 for
five gallons of water.  It usually states on the label that it is
water from the Little Rock municipal water supply. (I think that means
they treat the water from the Arkansas River.)  It has made a big
improvement in my beer.  In fact, the large improvement for $2.50
convinced me to spend another couple of bucks per batch on liquid
yeast.  Easily the two biggest improvements to my beer.

Ken Schriner (501) 575-2905            BITNET : ks06054 at uafsysb
U of A, Computing Services           Internet : ks06054 at uafsysb.uark.edu

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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 91 14:57:09 MDT
From: Rick Myers <fc.hp.com!hp-lsd!hpctdpe!rcm at hpfcla>
Subject: Brewing with Well Water
Full-Name: Rick Myers


> I have some water questions for y'all.  I live in the country, and have
> two wells.  Well A has hard water, with enough iron to turn my particle
> filter red in two months.  Well B is also hard, and has enough sulphur
> to turn its particle filter black in two months.  My brewing choices are
> well a, well B straight, or well B softened by a water softener.  What
> should I do?  I have heard that iron is toxic to yeast - is that true,
> and if so is there a reasonable way to remove it?

I have been using well water with a high iron content for over a year
with no ill effects to my beer, that I can notice.  My water has a
distinctive odor to it, and I don't care to drink it straight out of the
tap.  I had often wondered what it was doing to my beer, if anything, so
I tried an experiment.  I hauled Colorado Springs city water (quite good,
actually) home in 6 gallon jugs and used it to make my beer.  I made 3
batches with city water, and discovered that it made absolutely no
discernable difference in taste whether I used my well water or city water.
Note that some styles of beer need softer or harder water than other styles,
but I haven't been able to notice any difference when I make the same beer
with my hard well water or the soft city water.

Why don't you make a batch from each well using the same recipe for
comparison purposes and then let us know how they turn out?

Rick
- --
Rick Myers    rcm at col.hp.com
Hewlett-Packard
Colorado Telecommunications Division

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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 1991 18:28 EST
From: BAUGHMANKR at CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU
Subject: Muddy runoffs

>From: bliss at csrd.uiuc.edu (Brian Bliss)

>Well, on monday I tried to make my second all-grain batch,
>and indeed, sparging is my low point.  I recirculated for
>a half hour, and it never ran clear. 

>What I finally did was just let the runooff sit for
>3 hours in a fermenter, and all the husks settled to
>the bottom 3/4".  This worked great! 

It probably did but all-grain brewing is long enough without
adding an extra three hours to it.

 -Stuff Deleted-

>Next time I'll try 6-row lager malt (I think the 2-row
>malt, with the finer husks is the culprit), and stick a
>grain bag in the sparge bucket.  

AH HA!!  If (and I'm not sure from your posting) you were just
letting the sparge water run free through the spigot on your
lauter tun, it's no wonder it never ran clear.  By all means
use a sparging bag or some other type of straining mechanism
to strain out the husks.

Don't give up on the 2 row just yet.  6-row requires a step
mash, is more complicated and difficult to work with, and 
as far as I can tell, doesn't taste any better, anyway.

(Is that the sound of rushing flames coming up behind me?) :-)

>If I still have to resort
>to letting the runoff settle, It will become part of
>my standard technique.

Let's hope not.  Bear down on the straining of the husks from
the sparge water.  It really sounds like this is the source
of your problem.

Cheers,

Kinney Baughman                  |    Beer is my business and
baughmankr at conrad.appstate.edu   |    I'm late for work.

P.S.

Just who is Darryl Richman, anyway ?  :-)

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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 91 15:37:27 PDT
From: Tom Bower <bower at hprnlme1.rose.hp.com>
Subject: HBD Posting
Full-Name: Tom Bower

Two items for my first posting:

1.) Water Analysis.  When I moved into my latest house I requested a water
analysis from the local water agency.  The documentation they sent me was
skimpy and lacked detail.  It just didn't have the information I wanted in
order to understand my brewmaking water.  Then, one day while wandering
through the local Sears I came upon their water-filter/softener department,
and found that they offer a FREE water analysis service.  It works like this:

You think you may want to purchase a water filter or softener.  You pick up
from Sears a little plastic sample bottle and postage-prepaid envelope.  You
take it home, fill it with water from your preferred brewmaking water faucet,
close it, bag it and mail it off.  A couple weeks later you get a nice, big
fat report - your free water analysis!  (The first step in the above process
is optional. :)

2.) Calculating the temperature to cool the wort to.  In making an extract
beer, my brewpot usually boils about 3 gallons.  Therefore I need to top off
my primary fermenter with 2-2.5 gallons of water before pitching the yeast.

Since the temperature of my top-off water is usually not proper pitching
temperature and my goal is to cool the 3 gallons of hot wort down to the
point where I can add the top-off water and pitch the yeast immediately,
I want to be able to calculate the proper temperature to cool the wort to
(using my immersion chiller) such that the resulting mix ends up being a
good pitching temperature.

If one assumes that all the liquids involved have the properties of plain
water (the properties invoved are density and specific heat) then the for-
mula for the temperature to cool the wort to is:

                             Top-off Volume
Temp.wort = Temp.pitching + ----------------- (Temp.pitching - Temp.top-off)
                             Hot Wort Volume

But as we all know, the density of wort is somewhat higher than water, and
the specific heat is probably somewhat different as well.

Right now I'm trying to work through some numbers to see if the likely dif-
ferences are going to make more than a few degrees' difference in the outcome,
but I'm curious as to whether others have attempted to do this.

Of course, the other option is to make sure my top-off water is heated to
a good pitching temperature to begin with; then I just cool the hot wort to
match and not worry.

- ---------------------
Tom Bower, HP RND R&D

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Date: Thu, 18 Jul 91 19:20:05 CDT
From: bliss at csrd.uiuc.edu (Brian Bliss)
Subject: brew kettles


Art Medlar <hman at violet.berkeley.edu> writes:
> found the best deal at Ying's ...
> Ten gallons, stainless(?) steel, with a lid, for $42.

C.R. Saikley:
> I have a friend who just got a good deal on a brew kettle, so I
> thought I'd pass this along. He got a 10 gallon stainless steel
> kettle for $39. ... He bought it at Ying's, which is at the corner of
> Pacific and Stockton in San Francisco's China Town.

hmm. they seem to be getting cheapert by the minute.
Maybe if I wait until next week, I can REALLY get a bargain :-)

.......

> I read the label on the yeast package
> about breaking the seal and neadinn the package. I went ahead and combined
> the ingreadients cooked em. but about two thirds of the way through I noticed
> on the yeast package that it said it would need a day or two to incubate.

I did the same thing when I tasted my Wyeast british ale starter and
found it to be infected.  I used Wyeast german ale instead.  It was
a little slow to start, but worked fine.  The damn thing took an entire
month to ferment, but I talked to a friend who (presumably) let his
package incubate, and hada long fermentation, too.

I re-cultured the dregs for the next batch, and with a ready starter
bottle, it still took 24 hrs to start to krausen.  I aereated this
batch fully - we'll see if it still takes a month.

Back on the subject of infected Wyeast British ale yeast.  I thought
I was at fault when I made the starter bottle, so I ordered another
package.  When I arrived, the package has already started to swell,
and the bubble had not been burst yet!  Could Wyeast have released
an infected batch?  This has only happened on British Ale packets
dated April 10 for me.  I cut open the foil, and tasted the solution,
and it was slightly sour, but certainly not "vinegary".  I then
cultured what was in the bubble, but I'll probably never use it.


cheers!

bb


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Date: 	Fri, 12 Jul 1991 13:45:37 -0400
From: hplabs!bnr-vpa!bnr-rsc!crick (Bill Crick)
Subject: ginger, aphids


Regarding using ginger in beer slowing down yeast: I make ginger beer
that has 1/2lb of fresh ginger in 2 gallons of water, and it certainly'
doesn't slow down the fermentation in any way.


My mother's recipe to get rid of aphids:

Mix 2 cups of vegetable oil, and three tablespoons of dishwashing 
liquid together.

Taks two tablespoons of this liquid, and mix with 1 quart of water.
Thouroughly spray plants with this liquid once a week.
It apparently controls several types of bugs.

Bill Crick



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Date: 	Mon, 15 Jul 1991 11:05:36 -0400
From: hplabs!bnr-vpa!bnr-rsc!crick (Bill Crick)
Subject: MEV Research

I called the two numbers given for MeV Research in Waterloo.
 One is a grumpy fellow who doesn't know who the ! at #$% MeV is.
 The other is "we cannot complete your call as dialed, Please hang up..."
 I called directory assistance, and they have no listing for Mev anything!


Doesn't look good. Pity, their Weiss beer yeast had a real nice tang to it.

Bill Crick Brewius, Ergo Bust!



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