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	FORUM ON BEER, HOMEBREWING, AND RELATED ISSUES
		Rob Gardner, Digest Coordinator

Contents:
  Grape Concentrate (Tom Hotchkiss)
  Killer Party Ale (a.e.mossberg)
  Yeast Culturing Question + Oatmeal Wheat Stout Recipe (dw)
   (Darryl Richman)
  Wyeast #1098 (Pete Soper)
  Re: Homebrew Digest #94 (March 06, 1989) (Darryl Richman)

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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 89 9:26:10 MST
From: Tom Hotchkiss <trh at hpestrh>
Subject: Grape Concentrate
Full-Name: Tom Hotchkiss

I have to apologize for asking a wine question in the brew newsletter,
but that's what you get for not controlling the distribution...

Anyway, I am a seasoned brewer and decided to try making wine.  So, I
trucked down to the Brew-it in Fort Collins and picked up a can of grape
concentrate and a "how to" book.  The book says that concentrate should
be stored between 32 and 60 degrees.  At 70 degrees it has a shelf life
of a few days.  According to the book, concentrate which is too old
has a slight molasses smell, and will have the color of a cut apple
exposed to air (for white concentrate).  The concentrate I bought was stored
at room temp, was covered with dust, and had the molasses smell and brown
color.  I went ahead and made the wine anyway, but I have two questions:

1) Will the final product be OK?  I mean, will it simply not be as good
   or will it taste like something extracted from a litter box?

2) Does anyone know a reliable source of grape concentrate?  I'm going to
   try the Wine & Hop Shop in Denver, and if that doesn't work I'll be
   looking for a mail order source.

-- T. Hotchkiss  (Proprieter, Chateau Wad)

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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 89 12:04:29 est
From: a.e.mossberg <aem at mthvax.miami.edu>
Subject: Killer Party Ale

Here's a recipe I got from Craig McTyre at Wine & Brew a couple weeks ago..
It makes a really great beer he calls "Killer Party Ale".

For a 5 gallon batch...

2 cans of Pilsner/Lager or American Light Malt
15 cups corn sugar
2 jars Lyle's Golden Syrup (22oz)
2.5 oz Hallertauer hops
2 lbs flaked maize
1 pkt BrewMagic.

In 1 gal. water boil malt, golden syrup, sugar and 1.5 oz hops for 8 minutes, 
add remaining hops and boil for another 2 min. Pour into primary fermenter 
with 2 gal.  water.

Bring another gallon to a boil and add flaked maize. Turn off heat and add
1/3 pkt BrewMagic.  Let sit 10 min.

Add second 1/3 pkt BrewMagic. Let sit another 10 min.

Add last 1/3 pkt BrewMagic. Let sit 10 more min.

Strain maize into primary fermenter, and rinse with some cold water.

Discard maize, and fill primary fermenter to 5 gal. mark.

Start S.G. is about 1.090, ending S.G. is about 1.015.  Will be around 10.5%
alcohol by volume!!!

Quite good.

aem
a.e.mossberg aem at mthvax.miami.edu MIAVAX::AEM (Span) aem at umiami.BITNET (soon)
Labor creates all wealth.

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Date: 6 Mar 89 15:12:50 EST (Monday)
From: dw <Wegeng.Henr at Xerox.COM>
Subject: Yeast Culturing Question + Oatmeal Wheat Stout Recipe

First a question, then a recipe...

At several net-people's advice my brewing partners and I decided to try
liquid yeast cultures. One of us was in England a couple weeks ago, and
brought back a few vials of liquid yeast. Well, to make a long story short,
we cultured a vial of Vierka Lager yeast and appear to have been quite
sucessful (we'll know in a few weeks when our first batch of beer made with
this yeast is done). We used the Yeast Bank kit that Williams Brewing sells
to save the cultured yeast.

Now for the question. Awhile back there was some discussion about alternate
sources for the Freeze Shield that comes with the kit, and on yeast
propagation using these kits in general. At the time I didn't save the
information, but now I'm interested. Did anyone save any of this
information (maybe the original authors are listening)? The tubes that came
with the kit have Fisher Scientific on their label, so I suspect that I can
buy more tubes from them.

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Now for a recipe. A while back someone asked for a Oatmeal Stout recipe. I
didn't see one get posted, so when I ran across this one I thought that
someone might be interested.

This is copied from the June 1986 issue of "All About Beer". The original
brewer is listed as Kenneth Kramer, who according to the magazine took
second place in the 1985 AHA Competition, Speciality Catagory. I haven't
tried the recipe, nor will I comment on the choice of hops, etc.

Ingredients for 5 gallons

4 gal Best Brewing Water
3.3 lbs Edme Irish Stout extract
3.3 lbs Edme Light Beer Extract
3 lbs pale, two row malted barley
2 lbs crystal malt
1 lb wheat malt
1 lb old-fashioned oatmeal
2.5 cups roasted barley
4 cups black patent malt
1 packet Edme yeast
1 stick Brewers Licorice
2 oz fresh Hallertauer hops
1 oz fresh Tettnang hops
0.5 tsp Irish Moss
1 tsp Diastatic Enzyme Powder

Starting S.G.: 1.078
Finishing S.G.: 1.032

Fermentation takes place in a closed 5 gallon glass water jug with a
blow-off tube attached. Use single stage ferment.

Procedure:

1) Crush the pale and crystal malt. Crush the black patent loosely. Place
oatmeal loosely in cheesecloth.

2) Mash all grains for 1 1/2 hours except the 2 cups crushed Black Patent,
and add the diastatic enzyme.

3) Sparge and begin the boil, add extracts and licorice.

4) After 15 minutes of boil, add 1 oz Tettnang hops and continue boil.
After another 15 minutes, add 1/2 oz Hallertauer hops. During the last 15
minutes of the total boil, add Irish Moss and 2 cups crushed Black Patent
Malt. During the last two minutes of boil, add 1 oz Hallertauer hops.

5) Cool rapidly and pitch yeast, ferment and bottle as usual.

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If anyone tries this recipe I'd be interested in the results.

/Don

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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 89 06:12:45 PST
From: Darryl Richman <darryl at ism780c.isc.com>
Subject: 

From: Pete Soper <soper at maxzilla.encore.com>
Subject: Wyeast #1098
"  The ale I recently made with the new Wyeast type 1098 ("Whitbread") came
"out very estery. At bottling time there was a very strong smell of apple and
"banana. I've experienced a touch of estery aroma at bottling before. This was
"VERY much stronger and there was even a fruity flavor in the beer. After two
"weeks the aroma is less pronounced but still quite noticeable. The fruity
"flavor is gone. In other words, the serious defects have subsided 8^)

This is very interesting.  At the February Falcons meeting, I
participated in our Troubleshooters Corner.  There were three different
beers that came up for discussion that turned out to be made with 1098,
and we identified them right off by their very distinctive, fruity
character.  All three of the ales I tasted were fermented at the lower
end of the temperature range.  It's not very often that the yeast plays
such a dramatic role.  I would expect to get a good dose of esters when
using this yeast.

"  I have the remaining 1/4 packet and am considering using it in one more 
"batch. The sugar rest temp will obviously be lower but I'm also considering
"doing the fermentation at 68-70 degrees too.

This may be the only hope.  At higher temps, the fermentation will be
more vigorous and perhaps will blow off a greater portion of the esters
produced.  Perhaps an open fermenter would aid in this as well.  (That
is the tradition in England, and tradition is to be inspected for answers.)

		--Darryl Richman

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Date: Mon, 6 Mar 89 06:00:32 PST
From: Darryl Richman <darryl at ism780c.isc.com>
Subject: Re: Homebrew Digest #94 (March 06, 1989)

From: ephram at violet.berkeley.edu
"I have heard refrence to a "roller" type of grain crusher.  I assume that this
"is in fact 2 steel cylinders set next to each other (like the hot dog cookers
" at  the game).  The rollers have some adjustment for size of gap between them
"and they rotate "towards each other" to form a flow through the gap between
"the rollers.  My question is
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"1) Do I want to build such a grinder (crusher) or should I just buy a corona
"grain mill?

Such a crusher is more in line with the industry specifications,
although they may crush wetted grain and their crushers may have up to
three sets of rollers.

"2) supposing that I decided to create one of these milling machines what are
"the specs?  in specific, What gap range should I allow for between the rollers?

You should try to get whatever gives you the right results:  floured
interiors and whole husks.  In fact you'll probably want to use
different settings for different malts:  wheat has hardly any husk at
all, and should be crushed more thoroughly.

"3) What materials should the rollers be made out of?  

The Falcons built a roller crusher out of two rollers obtained from a junked
supermarket checkout conveyor belt.  I believe they were made of
steel.  One member welded together a frame from angle iron and attached
the mounts for the rollers.  The rollers were driven by chain from a
low speed electric motor;  there was a referse speed to clear jams.  A
sheet metal hopper reduced to a long, thin openning just above the two
rollers and a sheet metal tray was angled down and out beneath them.
The crushed grain was caught in a bucket from the outflow of the tray.
The whole shebang could be leaned back onto lawn mower wheels and
easily moved about.

"4) What speed(s) should I allow the rollers to rotate at? 

Our crusher was driven pretty slowly, maybe 30-60 rpm as a guess.

"5) What diamater roller should I use?  

These were perhaps 2-3" in diameter.

"8) Do I really want to undertake this project? 

I don't know, and I wasn't in the club when it was built, so I don't
know how much agony it caused.

		--Darryl Richman

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