HOMEBREW Digest #4371 Sat 11 October 2003

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  re: hops and dogs and compost (David Radwin)
  Tinseth Utilization Numbers (John Palmer)
  Re: going to SF ("Tom White")
  Re: going to SF ("Matt Walker")
  Atkinsonian stuff ... ("-S")
  ibu calc on double batch (Dane Mosher)
  IBU calculations (Fred Johnson)
  dogs and hops (Alan McKay)
  Dunkels... (Darrell.Leavitt)
  Flax, fiber, and beer, oh my (JE)" <JESteinbrunner@dow.com>
  Beer etiquette in Texas... (Bev Blackwood II)
  Hops and Dogs ("John Adsit")
  Re: beer education & Texas (blutick)
  Motorizing a mill / electric motor wiring (Chuck Mryglot)
  The Great Beer Disaster of 2003 (Mark Beck)
  human calorimeter ("Dave Burley")
  brewing in Santa Fe (beerbuddy)
  Re: specific gravities (Mark W Wilson)
  Pumpkin Ale Recommendations (long) (Clayton Carter)
  RE: "educating" servers (Brian Lundeen)
  Bland Beer ("Martin Brungard")
  Teach A Friend To Homebrew Day ("Gary Glass")

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---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 21:42:56 -0700 From: David Radwin <dradwin at sbcglobal.net> Subject: re: hops and dogs and compost > From: "Mike Racette" <mike.racette at hydro-gardens.com> > I'm not a dog person so I don't remember the details, but I'm surprised no > one has brought up the fact that hops can be extremely poisonous to some > dogs. A search of the archives will find details on which breeds are > affected. . . . > Although I compost spent grains, I always dispose of spent hops where dogs > can't get at them (unless they frequent the landfill that is). I'm not suggesting anyone start feeding hops to their dogs, but our small dog used to nibble on a hop vine with no apparent ill effect. The compost pile, on the other hand, is full of bacteria and may be quite dangerous. Another small dog of ours got very sick after getting into the compost. The hospitalization was traumatizing and very expensive (about $600), but he's OK now. Now I keep the compost outside the fenced dog area. - -- David Radwin This email account forwards to trash. Reply to news at removethispart.davidradwin.com Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 22:21:32 -0700 From: John Palmer <jjpalmer at altrionet.com> Subject: Tinseth Utilization Numbers Hi Group, I had emailed Glenn to ask in response to a question from Fred whether Glenn had used Beginning, Average, or Final when developing his utilization equation and he replied (and I should have remembered)(but i was at work) that he used the average. Here is Glenn Tinseth's email of 9 Oct 03: <begin quote> John, First, in case the folks discussing haven't already read this, please point them to http://www.realbeer.com/hops/research.html, where they will find: "Use an average gravity value for the entire boil to account for changes in the wort volume." and also, from the same page: "The numbers 1.65 and 0.000125 are empirically derived to fit my data. The number 0.04 controls the shape of the utilization vs. time curve. The factor 4.15 controls the maximum utilization value--make it smaller if your kettle utilization is higher than mine. I'd suggest fiddling with 4.15 if necessary to match your system; only play with the other three if you like to muck around. I make no guarantees if you do. The really cool thing about these new equations is that they are easily customizable. I believe the basic form is correct; by playing with the different factors, different brewers should be able to make them fit their breweries perfectly." So...let me summarize. The numbers from the curves, as presented on the Hop Page, matched my brewery, and I believe, match chemically and physically what is happening in the brew kettle. There is no reason to believe that those specific equations will give accurate IBU numbers for anyone else without changes in some of the constants, and I've never claimed otherwise. I've always said that the only real way to determine ibus is by sending samples to the lab. My equations should serve as a tool for brewers to fine-tune their processes and recipes, and indeed, are used in this manner by home and pro brewers around the world. They are not a substitute for proper lab analyses. As to the idea of using different gravity numbers for different hop additions, I think we are in the zone of diminishing returns. There are several other factors more important than this, One: are the hops accurately analyzed (usually there is one sample per several bales, so what does that tell you about your 4 oz. package), Two: what has happened to the AA content since that test was carried out, Three: how does your heat source and kettle geometry compare to mine, Four: How does the AA saturation level effect utilization (i.e., if it's a highly hopped wort, I suspect there is a point at which utilization decreases because of AA already dissolved), Five: How are you measuring gravity (refractometer, hydrometer, ??) and is it accurate, i.e. have you calibrated it at a variety of gravities. These are just off the top of my head. There are many others. A couple of BUs difference because of the gravity effect and different hop additions is not among the ones I would worry about. But this is certainly just my opinion. I intended that my numbers would be a useful, easy-to-use tool to help brewers estimate bitterness and refine their recipes and processes. That alone is one reason not to sweat the small stuff. If you want more accuracy, send some samples to the lab. The next step, should someone be interested, is to investigate number 4 above, which I suspect may be the biggest problem, especially for those of us who brew a lot of IPA. Please keep me posted and feel free to post the above in whatever forum you want, as long as it is attributed to me. <end quote> And from a subsequent reply he said: "I think your analysis of the result of doing what you do is perfect. And very much in keeping with the way I intend people to use the numbers, i.e., find the way it works best for you, and then be consistent." This is where the Axiom "Close enough for Government work" applies. Cheers, John John Palmer john at howtobrew.com www.realbeer.com/jjpalmer www.howtobrew.com - the free online book of homebrewing Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 01:48:18 -0400 From: "Tom White" <twhite at dminsite.com> Subject: Re: going to SF When I lived in SF I loved this place... Zeitgeist, 199 Valencia St. (Valencia at Duboce) Voted SF's best Biker Bar, home of all things two-wheeled. Enjoy Zeitgeist's 25 microbrews on tap, lush beer garden, and underground rock atmosphere. Hangovers installed and serviced. http://www.sfstation.com/bars/zeitgeist/ Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 23:25:45 -0700 From: "Matt Walker" <matt at suckerfish.net> Subject: Re: going to SF Looking for a dive bar with a great beer list specializing in Belgians? You're a man after my own heart. Here are two lists... The killer-beer-bars-that-happen-to-be-dives-a-short-bus/subway-ride-away list: Toronado -- 547 Haight at Fillmore -- Already recommended a couple times. Insane Belgian selection. Good tap list. Also grab a bottle list--there are some gems like aged Abbaye des Rocs Grand Cru. A dive. A short bus ride from Moscone Center. Take the 7, 71, 6, or 66 bus to Fillmore St. While in the neighborhood, check out Noc Noc, Mad Dog in the Fog, Molotov's, and a number of good restaurants including Rosamunde Grill, Memphis Minnie's, Ali Baba's, etc. A ten minute walk to Lucky 13. Amnesia -- 853 Valencia at 20th St -- Good beer selection. Quite a few Belgians. Somewhat of a dive. Fairly hip. Lucky 13 -- 2140 Market at Church -- Good beer selection. Quite a few Belgians. A dive. Take the Muni underground (K, L, or M) up Market St. to Church station. The J and N lines will get you there, but they're a little trickier. A ten minute walk to Toronado. Zeitgeist -- 199 Valencia at Duboce -- Fairly good beer selection. A dive. Great beer garden in back. A short slightly-sketchy walk from the 16th St. BART station or take the Muni F line up Market St to Valencia and walk down. 21st Amendment -- 563 2nd St at Bryant -- You mentioned this one. Not a dive but good beer and fairly good food. Walking distance to Moscone Center. Definitely worth a stop since it's so close to you. And the dive-bars-near-Moscone-Center-with-a-few-reasonably-good-beers list: Dave's -- 29 Third St at Market -- Just up the street from Moscone Center. A few good beers. Good locals bar. Pow -- 101 Sixth St at Mission -- Horrible neighborhood. Fun dive. A few good beers. Four blocks or so from Moscone. Tunnel Top -- 601 Bush St at Stockton -- Seven blocks from Moscone. Fun dive. Somewhat of a hipster joint. Sutter Station -- 25 Sutter St at Market -- Big with the after-work crowd. Relatively close to Moscone Center. Clears out early. Eddie Rickenbacker's -- 133 2nd St at Mission -- A few good beers. Close to Moscone. Gold Dust Lounge -- 247 Powell St at O'Farrell -- Can get somewhat touristy and not entirely a dive but it's a fun place to grab a beer or two. Crow Bar -- 401 Broadway at Montgomery -- Fairly good beer selection. A bit farther away in North Beach. More info: http://sfbrewpub.jasper.org/pubs.htm http://www.ratebeer.com/ShowTour.asp?TourID=13 http://www.sfgate.com/eguide/music/barguide/dives.shtml Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 03:09:50 -0400 From: "-S" <-s at adelphia.net> Subject: Atkinsonian stuff ... Dave Burley writes .... on diet etc ... > Food Calories that are in most ( or all ) tables are not > constructed by measuring the amount of calories in and the calories out as > waste [...] Yes they are. Each individual food isn't tested in this way, but there is little need for that. In 1890 Wilbur Atwater broke foods into fat, protein and carbs. In 1894 he and E.Rosa devised the first human calorimeter. And yes the energy of excretions were accounted for. Here's a SciAm article on it. http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID=000BC2DE-F163-1C73-9B81809EC588EF21 They've been measuring the actual *available* energy in foods for over 100 years now ... Check this online book and you'll see that many of your claims that only primitive methods are used are unfounded. http://books.nap.edu/books/0309085373/html/index.html You'll see that fiber evaluated quite differently than other foods and a chapter is devoted to this. That thermic effects of food are recognized (pp97), which considerably impacts energy estimates for carbs and protein. That fat absorption rates have been measured and accounted for (p342). If you want details then took to the citations. > Maybe you mis-stated the statistical conclusions > I conclude from this information that it was NOT > associated with reduced calorie intake but WITH > reduced carbohydrate. No. How could I mis-state an exact quote ? Here is the abstract. http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/289/14/1837 > My point in all this is not that the basic theory is wrong or that there any > major loopholes in the basic energy equations, but that the numbers describing > foods and how many available calories they impart is wrong or at least blurry. Blurry yes. Even if we knew precisely the amount of energy we burned we could not use the FDA labels or even the better research figures to determine food intake within better than a few percent. IOW the arithmetic calculation would be farther off than the defective "hormonal calculation" of energy reqs a typical obese person ! I don't think the conscious awareness of calories helps very much, except for diabetics who must consciously control their carbohydrate metabolism by insulin injection. What is needed is to find and correct the factor causing the consistent ~1% upward bias in our hormonal calculation of energy requirements, not the fruitless attempt to replace this with a conscious calculation of energy intake. This conversation needs to go offline ! -Steve Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 01:32:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Dane Mosher <dane_mosher at yahoo.com> Subject: ibu calc on double batch Steve Smith asks about his IBU calculations predicting slightly less bitterness when he doubles his batch size but uses one less gallon of water. I think you are dealing with such slight variations in the recipe that it is going to be hard to predict whether bitterness will change or not. Your gravities will all be slightly higher due to your water deletion, which will slightly reduce hop utilization. On the other hand, you might get more hop utilization with your increased batch size. Your own calculations show less than a 1 IBU difference, which I think is a reasonable prediction. Also, in my experience vigorous boils noticeably increase bitterness even though they result in higher gravities. Boil strength is a BIG variable. Strong boils also result in more hot break and clearer beer, so I boil hard whenever possible. I'd go for it using the hops you have. I think any change in IBU's will be negligible. Dane Mosher Fort Worth, TX Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 07:12:50 -0400 From: Fred Johnson <FLJohnson at portbridge.com> Subject: IBU calculations Jonathan: I read Johnathan's post in which he has chosen to use the initial (pre-boil) gravity for calculating IBUs using someone's published formula. His argument is that the majority of the bittering hops are added at the beginning of the boil and that is the time when most of the isomerization occurs. This is perhaps a fair argument for using the pre-boil gravity if one is trying to DETERMINE a useful formula, but this argument is irrelevant if one is going to use the formula generated by someone else. For example, if you are decide to use Tinseth's formula for calculating IBUs and you insist on using the pre-boil gravity in the formula, you can only expect your calculation to be accurate if Tinseth's formula was derived using pre-boil gravities. If Tinseth's experiments used the post-boil gravity in his experiments and in the derivation of his formula, then you are destined to be in error if you refuse to use the post-boil gravity when using Tinseth's formula. I repeat my earlier question: What gravity did the inventors of the formulae use? Fred L Johnson Apex, North Carolina, USA Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:19:29 -0400 From: Alan McKay <amckay at neap.net> Subject: dogs and hops Mike Racette reminds folks when feeding beer to dogs, that hops can be quite toxic to some breeds. Full details are on my site at : http://tinyurl.neap.net?k=b7b3786eabbe56f594f909d253bffdde cheers, -Alan - -- http://www.bodensatz.com/ TCP/IP: telecommunication protocol for imbibing pilsners (Man-page of Unix-to-Unix beer protocol on Debian/GNU Linux) Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:27:27 -0400 From: Darrell.Leavitt at esc.edu Subject: Dunkels... Marc; I also ran into a problem with the taste of a dunkel...so that last one I brewed was with the correct yeast, but with a malt bill that was more akin to an English Strong Ale. I called it "Sortofadunkel" and it was, and continues to be a big hit ....malty, but also dunkelish... ..Darrell Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:25:24 -0500 From: "Steinbrunner, Jim (JE)" <JESteinbrunner at dow.com> Subject: Flax, fiber, and beer, oh my In HBD 4370, Chad Stevens discussed the use of flaxseed, it's mucilaginous coating and apparent positive impact on head retention. This brought to mind three seemingly unrelated points: Point 1: I am a new all-grain brewer . In my first all-grain brew, I was amazed at the meringue-like foam that I whipped up on my cooled wort as I transferred from pot to primary. I really like the appearance, so I'm interested in different ways I can adjust my brewing to improve head retention. Point 2: I have recently become more interested in fiber for reasons I won't go into >:^O . The mucilaginous coating on flaxseed that Chad mentioned is high in soluble fiber, which is good for digestive health, but may not be very appealing to add to one's diet (think Metamucil). Point 3: I listen to the Bob and Tom syndicated radio show - bobandtom.com ; juvenile/adult humor warning! ;^ ) Bob and Tom have played a satirical bit extolling the virtues of a high-fiber brew by the name of Shatz. Summary: if I add grains high in soluble fiber to my grain bill, will my beer have better head retention and also contribute useful soluble fiber to my diet? Is the Shatz concept valid? Or am I full of Shatz? Respectfully yours, Jim Steinbrunner Midland, MI Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 08:33:19 -0500 From: Bev Blackwood II <bdb2 at bdb2.com> Subject: Beer etiquette in Texas... Texas, our Texas.... <sigh> Where a beer can be an ale, but "ale" can't be called a "beer." :-) I seem to recall hitting a similar situation once where they literally WERE giving the beer away because their license had expired and until they got it back, beer was "on the house" although they didn't widely advertise the fact. So most likely, you lucked into a situation like that, especially since you were able to buy beer at the local store. Insofar as tipping, etc. I doubt there was any kinda compensation expected. He likely just raised the price on all his meals by a buck and covered his costs that way. On the other hand... In Texas, counties and communities can vote themselves to be "dry," a holdover from Prohibition known as "Local option." This usually shoves all beer and alcohol by the drink sales into "private clubs" which you have to join to get a beer and all retail alcohol sales across the nearest municipal divide. This can actually be downright bewildering when you cross a street and suddenly can't buy a beer. You *may* have run into this circumstance, but I don't think it's likely. At Saint Arnold, where I help out with the weekly tour, we can give away all the beer we want, but can't sell a drop. However, for private parties there's always a "tip jar" for the bartenders which is sometimes quite lucrative. However, we can never get into the appearance of taking money for beer at the brewery, because that's against state law. (Mandatory 3-tier system, thanks to the Macros, whose "Brews Brothers" lobbyists own the Texas Legislature...) Glad you were at least able to GET a beer, hope you had a nice visit, ya'll come back now, y'hear? -BDB2 Bev D. Blackwood II http://www.bdb2.com Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 09:32:14 -0600 From: "John Adsit" <j.adsit at comcast.net> Subject: Hops and Dogs I did a very quick Google search for information on the toxicity of hops in dogs. In the National Library of medicine I discovered a 1997 abstract on a report on five dogs who had a reaction similar to malignant hyperthermia. Four of the five were greyhounds. In the rest of my search, every warning related to dogs and hops referred to this report. Here are some other search results: A commercial product, Doc Ackerman's Botanical Pet Products' Allergy Relief formula for dogs, contains hops. Petsmart advertises a product (Comfort-Calm Doggie Bites) that contains hops. MTE Nutrition advertises a product to reduce anxiety in dogs that contains both brewers yeast and hops. I think those who have written in to say that hops are only dangerous if consumed in mass quantities are probably correct. John Adsit Boulder, CO John Adsit Boulder, CO j.adsit at comcast.net Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 11:43:01 -0500 From: blutick at juno.com Subject: Re: beer education & Texas Dave Holt posted about his experience with free beer in a Dallas BBQ joint: >I thanked the owner for the beer. Here are the questions I had. Was a tip >or donation expected? Could I get another beer? I had a similar experience at a local restaurant earlier this year. When we were seated, our waitress informed us that the restaurant had recently lost their liquor license and could not sell beer. They could, and would, serve us "free" beer but that a nice tip was expected. They had a short beer list with a few decent beers on it, so we proceeded to order. After 2-3 trips back to the table to inform us "sorry, we're out of X", we settled for Sam Adams Light and Shiner Bock. We had one beer with the meal and another just for oral hygiene, then went looking for better beer. We later found out that the restaurant had lost their license for serving an underage drinker. That restaurant closed a short time later. Your BBQ joint may have been in a similar or entirely different situation. Your experience with the free beer is not the way restaurants in Texas normally conduct business. Let common sense and courtesy be your guide. Tip expected? Of course. Another beer? Doesn't hurt to ask. Jim Layton Howe, TX Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 12:47:57 -0400 From: Chuck Mryglot <cmryglot at cisco.com> Subject: Motorizing a mill / electric motor wiring So, I picked up an electric motor at a yard sale for $2, but it does not have a power cord attached. There looks to be 4 blades for connecting the cord. Can anyone give me some guidance on what wires go where? The label on the motor tells me: Universal Electric Co. 115v 60 Hz 1725 rpm, 1/4 HP Thanks ChuckM Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:11:10 -0700 From: Mark Beck <beckmk at whitman.edu> Subject: The Great Beer Disaster of 2003 You know it's going to be bad when your daughter comes to you first thing in the morning and says, "Daddy, why is there beer all over the basement floor?" My first thought was that it was a carboy bomb, and that my cider had exploded (I had just started 5 gallons this past weekend)--I mean it was ALL OVER the basement floor. However, the aroma was most definitely beer--nice hop aroma. Checked the carboy and it was fine. That could only mean it was the keg of IPA. How did that end up all over the floor? Well, I have a very long thin tube for dispensing the beer, and it seems that the cats had been playing with it. The faucet was stuck to the top of the keg, but the tube and been pulled off. That keg was FULL--I'd had maybe 4 or 5 beers out of it. Over 4.5 gallons of nice IPA on the basement floor. Took me an hour and a half to clean it up. Now that I've written it down I can let it go and get on with my day. Those cats owe me a REALLY big bottle of REALLY good beer. Mark Beck Walla Walla, WA Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:18:25 -0400 From: "Dave Burley" <Dave_Burley at charter.net> Subject: human calorimeter Brewsters: Steve Alexander ( better known lately as S-) provided some useful information in his SciAm reference. This article indicated a complete calorimetric study of in and out was done. But the data on which Atwater and all the Food Calorie tables is apparently based on extremely limited human data and limited food data from early in the 20th century. Based on this article, apparently most ( if not all) of the currently used data is based on the food efficiency of a highly fit bicyclist who lived in a human calorimeter room for some weeks. I don't know of any data that deals with unfit and fat humans and their efficiency of turning food into calories and body parts and excreta. I have never seen an article describing the range of efficiency by food type of human digestion. We do know that metabolism does change with age, with caloric intake, as well as fat/muscle ratio for a given weight. And, yep, I read the Student T test results incorrectly. A high P means the populations are <not> distinguishable. And, besides, if you believe Atkins and his insulin theory, the US increase in fat per capita is due to the incredibly high percentage of sandwiches in our diets. Eat your meals off a plate the way the Europeans ( used to) do Future discussions on this are offline. Keep on Brewin' Dave Burley Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 17:34:40 +0000 From: beerbuddy at comcast.net Subject: brewing in Santa Fe Well, looks like we made a snap decision to move to Santa Fe from near Seattle. Anyone out there know what the brewing is like in Santa Fe or Albuquerque? LHBS? Brewpubs? looks like I won't be able to finish building my mash tun and try all grain for a little while yet . . . Timothy somewhere northwest of the center of the homebrew universe . . . for now. Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 10:55:07 -0700 From: Mark W Wilson <mwwilson at ichips.intel.com> Subject: Re: specific gravities > First off, you should know that calculating IBU's is > not currently possible on the homebrew level without > expensive lab equipment, contrary to what many authors > suggest. There is no magic formula. (Same goes for > color, but that's another story.) Just a counter-data-point (well, two): I have twice had my homebrew lab-analyzed by a brewery (*). Both times the IBU rating came within one or two points of the value calculated by the Tinseth method (I use the recipator on hbd.org to do the math). I was suprised. So that's one "magic formula" that works pretty well for me. YMMV. Also note that the "tasting delta" for IBUs is pretty large, about 5 IBU. That being said, I use the measured gravity at the start of the boil. But I agree with the gist of your comments, i.e. "relative bitterness" is what's important if you're trying to get consistancy. But varying alpha acid levels both within the bale sampled, and for a given set of hops over time, is probably the greatest source of IBU variance. (*) Widmer Bros. in Portland has an on-going "Collaborator" program with the Oregon Brew Crew homebrew club where they brew a small commercial batch of a selected homebrew from a number of entries. They often do a lab analysis of all the entries, gratis. - -------------------------------------------------------- Mark W. Wilson mwwilson at ichips.intel.com Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:02:24 -0500 From: Clayton Carter <crcarter at cs.indiana.edu> Subject: Pumpkin Ale Recommendations (long) Hello all, I'd like to brew a pumpkin ale in the next few weeks, but I'm confused by all of the recipes out there. All of them differ on when to add the pumpkin, whether to roast the pumpkin or use it raw, HOW MUCH pumpkin to use, malts to use, and other additions. I've decided to scrap other recipes and base mine off of a few that I've seen online, but first I'll explain what I want from this brew. This'll be my fifth beer (all have been extract based), so I'm not terribly experienced, but I'm pretty confident in my techniques. I've never formulated my own recipe, so this is a first. As for the beer, first and foremost, I want the pumpkin to be assertive and very noticable with the spices. This is, afterall, a pumpkin ale and not just a `pumpkin pie spice' ale. Secondly, I'd like for this to be somewhat sweet to give some extra support to the spices and pumpkin. Lastly, I forget what my third criteria is. Probably that I don't want it too bitter. I'm not a hophead. So, anyone care to oversee my first recipe formulation? All comments, suggestions and advice welcome! ===[ Clayton's `Bound to be Terrible' Pumpkin Ale ]=== 5 gal; extract GRAIN: 1 pound crystal (20L) malt (what about Munich? Amber?) 6 pounds light malt extract FLAVORS: 8 pounds roasted pumpkin 16 oz grade B maple syrup (B is stronger flavored, would 10oz be better?) HOPS: 1 oz Hallertau (bittering; full hour) 1 oz Fuggles (flavor; last 15 min) SPICES/ADDITIVES: 2 cinnamon sticks 1 t whole cloves 1.5 t ground nutmeg 1.5 t ground allspice 1 oz fresh grated ginger 1.5 t vanilla extract 1 t Irish Moss (Should I use more? [4] calls for 3t!!) YEAST: American Ale Yeast BREWING: Steep grain and 1/2 pumpkin; remove when water boils. Add extract, Halls and maple syrup and return to boil. Add cinnamon at 30 minutes. Add cloves at 40 minutes. Add everything else (incl. rest of pumpkin and Fuggs) at 50 minutes. Kill heat at 60 minutes, cool down and dump wort and pumpkin into primary. Pitch. After 4-5 days, rack off of pumpkin into secondary. Bottle when the time is right and use the same criteria for drinking. ===[ end ]=== You see that I'm using 8 pounds of roasted pumpkin. If that doesn't make it assertive, I don't know what will. As for sweetening the brew, someone mentioned that Munich malt would be good for that. Is that true? I've opted for a Crystal because that's what I'm familiar with, but I'm not set on it. I'm also calling for adding a full pound of grade B maple syrup. Would that be too much? B has much more flavor than other syrups, so I'm set on that, but is 16 oz too much? I've gone for 2oz of hops to keep the bitterness in check but not absent. I went with Hall and Fuggs because most of the recipes seem split between them. The main problem that I'm experiencing with my brewing is filtering or sparging out all of the hops (I use pellets) when pouring into the primary. This would be a HUGE pain if I were trying to save the pumpkin. I could put the hops in muslin bags, but they might escape. Has anyone had any luck with this? I could also put the pumpkin in bags, but that would take something like 4 bags. Actually, I'm thinking that the hops-in-a-bag idea is a decent idea. Does anyone have any suggestions about easing this process? I hate pouring that nasty slurry of hops into the fermenter, but it's such a pain to pour it though a mesh strainer that keeps getting clogged. OK, I've been working on this email for way too long. Again, I appreciate any and all feedback regarding my proposed recipe or any successes or failures that you've had. Also, any advice about the hop sparging would be great, too. Thanks all, have a great weekend. Clayton REFERENCES: [1] http://brewery.org/brewery/gambmug/recs/167.shtml [2] http://www.skotrat.com/skotrat/recipes/special/fvbeer/recipes/34.html [3] http://www.stoutbillys.com/stout/recipens/(Flat)/EB440777.htm [4] http://hbd.org/brewery/cm3/recs/08_35.html [5] http://www.modernbrewer.com/recipes/pumpkin.htm Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 13:20:31 -0500 From: Brian Lundeen <BLundeen at rrc.mb.ca> Subject: RE: "educating" servers Dave Holt writes: > > The uninformed > wait staff gave the smart ass in me the perfect setup by > responding I would > like an imported SNPA. Smart ass aside, it also gave me an > opportunity to > educate the wait staff a little on beer. I expect you annoyed them more than educated them. Chances are, if they were interested in being beer knowledgeable, they would have done so on their own. For most wait staff (outside of upscale restaurants), it's just a dumb job where they have to feign pleasantness and efficiency through their shift in an effort to maximize their tips. I doubt most care about being knowledgeable about any aspect of their environment. Here's an example from my College's dining room, where people train to be servers. Dumb customer: Does the turkey ravioli contain turkey? Dumber server: I don't know, I'll check. Anyway, it's been said before, but I'll repeat it because it's good advice. Don't piss off people who can spit in your food. ;-) Cheers Brian, in Winnipeg Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 17:09:16 -0400 From: "Martin Brungard" <Martin.Brungard at trow.com> Subject: Bland Beer All this talk of bad beer is somewhat silly. Saying that brewers like the Budmilloors of the world make bad beer is ludicrous. They do make a very good product...for what it is. I liken most to something slightly better than Seltzer water. We should be saying that these products are BLAND beer, not bad beer. We are just blessed with palates that appreciate more flavorful and charactered beer. Brooklyn Brewer, Garrett Oliver summed it up well in his presentation at the AHA conference last summer, those Budmilloors products are just like Wonder Bread, made for the mass market. Its too bad that many fancy restaurants that wouldn't think of serving swill wine or Wonder Bread to their patrons will limit their beer selection to the Budmilloors type. Storability of wine is definitely an asset to restaurants. Sooner or later, it will move, and it will probably still be drinkable. Most beer is a product of youth. I suppose that the only thing they can do is limit their stock of beer on hand and keep it moving. And it doesn't appear that the profitability of beer versus wine should be a limitation either. From what I can tell, a bottle of good beer costs about the same as many moderately priced glasses of wine. So, the profit should be similar. It seems that the snob factor has a lot to do with the preference for wine at fine restaurants. The one good thing is that I keep seeing more mentions of fine beers in the food magazines and food shows that my wife watches. Some of the food industry recognizes that there is a place for good beer. There is hope for a better beer selection! Just keep asking for the good stuff. Don't settle for bland beer. Martin Brungard Tallahassee, FL Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 15:29:34 -0600 From: "Gary Glass" <Gary at aob.org> Subject: Teach A Friend To Homebrew Day Once again it's time to spread the love (of homebrewing that is)! The American Homebrewers Association's 5th Annual Teach a Friend to Homebrew Day is coming up on November 1st. This is your chance to show off just how cool you are to all those poor unfortunate friends, neighbors, and relatives who have never experienced the joys of homebrewing! Hey you could even invite the in laws...well maybe that's not such a great idea. Check out www.beertown.org for more details. Be sure to register your site. Sites registered by October 22 will receive copies of Zymurgy for Beginners in the mail. After the event, go back to www.beertown.org and let us know how things went. Cheers! Gary Glass, Project Coordinator American Homebrewers Association 888-U-CAN-BREW (303) 447-0816 x 121 gary at aob.org www.beertown.org [1126.8, 262] Rennerian Boulder, CO - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.524 / Virus Database: 321 - Release Date: 10/6/2003 Return to table of contents
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