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Contents:
  Chocolate in the wort (DJH0)
  Net Noise (Please!) ("Roger Deschner  ")
  Northeast Brewers' Supply (Phillip Seitz)
  Dark German (Tom Leith MIR/ERL 362-6965)
  Re: Judges (Chuck Cox)
  Brewing Mystery -- Sherlock Homeboy Solves All (Jeff Frane)
  the Speise of life (Greg Wolodkin)
  Ginger Steamer (Brewmeister Gene)
  Dark Grains - Mashout (Paul dArmond)
  Seattle Brew Fest '93 (CCASTELL)
  Almost Free Kegging (Jack Schmidling)
  Question on sterile wort preparation (Joel Birkeland)
  Re: starters (larryba)
  Failed mail  (msg.aa05650) (unixbox MMDF Mail System)
  beer on Niagara Frontier (        John Pedlow)
  HOME BREW U (CompuCom) <v-ccsl at microsoft.com>
  Re : oatmeal (Conn Copas)
  Re: Lead from brass, and EPA (dbell)
  Rye Crystal Malt (Dr. Marc Kelly)


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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 93 08:51:00 EST
From: DJH0 at NIOSR1.EM.CDC.GOV
Subject: Chocolate in the wort

Has anyone out there tried putting milk, white or dark bitter/sweet chocolate 
into the brewpot?  I need to know how much is needed, and what tastes were
contributed to a 5 gallon batch of conventional stout or ale.  Any reasons 
why this should not be attempted?

yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyDan HewettyyyDJH0 at NIOSR1.EM.CDC.GOVyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
                                
                              I like the word 'indolence'.
                                It makes my laziness seem classy.

                                                 -Bern Williams
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1993 08:08:41 CST
From: "Roger Deschner " <U52983 at UICVM.UIC.EDU>
Subject: Net Noise (Please!)

1) If you are subscribing, unsubscribing, etc., please direct it to
homebrew-request@ hpfcmi.fc.hp.com. If you direct it to the main address
for postings, you waste the (LIMITED!) bandwidth of this digest for
better stuff like beer, and worse for you, your request whatever it is
might not get acted upon.

2) Please limit your foamy musings to 80 columns in width. Yeah I know
that sounds like a limitation from the age of punched card computing and
horse-drawn carriages, but most computers (PC/DOS, Mainframe, Unix) and
most mail systems either wrap or truncate lines longer than 80. Posts to
HBD wider than 80 come out looking *REALLY* ugly.

THAT said, apologies for wasting this bandwidth on something other than
our beloved malty beverage, and back to relaxing, having a h.......

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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 93 14:16 GMT
From: Phillip Seitz <0004531571 at mcimail.com>
Subject: Northeast Brewers' Supply

James Dipalma reports some rather unpleasant experiences with NBS, which
I have no reason to doubt.  On the other hand, I can report that they
have always gotten my orders right, shipped promptly, and charge less for
their goods than any full-service dealer I'm aware of.  (Hey Al, when's
your catalog coming out?)
	In fact, NBS is the ONLY supplier I've used that HASN'T screwed 
up.  I don't think this suggests that they're perfect, but rather that 
much of this is a matter of fate.  The fact that they're trying to shave
markups to the bone also suggests to me that they're walking a finer line
than some suppliers in terms of the resources needed to supply a certain
level of service.
	I, too, have a minor quibble with their computers.  As some may
have noticed, they charge less for 15 lbs of grain on a per lb basis than
for 5 lbs.  Ok, that's fair.  As it turns out, a 15 lb order arrives in
5 lb bags.  Quirky, but ok if that's how they want it.  However, if you
want to buy 20 lbs you have to pay a 15 lb price and a 5 lb price.  I assume
that their computer system is not set up to handle the prices on the basis
of total quantity rather than units, but this was a bit irritating.
	Finally, my mom says that when she called them before Christmas
to order a Corona for me, she also asked if they could supply me with a 
basement (my chief brewing need).  They said no, so I guess they're not
FULL service!  
	Standard disclaimers apply.

Phil Seitz
PSEITZ at MCIMAIL.COM
Arlington, Virginia, USA, Earth

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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1993 08:58:48 -0600
From: trl at photos.wustl.edu (Tom Leith MIR/ERL 362-6965)
Subject: Dark German

Jim Busch (busch at daacdev1.stx.com) asks:

	>What is Dark German?

Well, its like this.  I *believe* "Dark German" is a toastier version of 
CaraVienne.  I'm actually not sure what distinguishes it from CaraMunich.

I should have said this the other day:  my local homebrew supplier (Roy 
Rudebusch  at  IMO in St. Louis) suggested the combination of the three "German" 
malts instead of the combination of dark and light English crystal malts that I 
wanted to use in this batch.  Roy knew what I was after, and  it worked out 
quite well.  My original recipe was formulated with two pounds light English 
crystal and one pound dark English crystal. Since that isn't what I actually 
brewed, I didn't post that as "The Recipe". I couldn't tell you what difference 
this actually makes in the final product.  I've noticed that Roy likes to use 
smaller amounts several "specialty" malts in combination, rather than larger 
amounts of fewer varieties.  Maybe Roy or other expierenced all-grain brewers 
will be inclined to comment on this style of recipe formulation.  Can you win a 
competition this way?  Would you really want to? 8-)       

What I know about recipe formulation, I learned from Dave Miller (by way of 
books), and Roy.  Roy taught me the practical application.  A good homebrew 
supplier, who actually brews good beer himself, is a fine thing to have in your 
neighborhood 8-).

	t   

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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 93 10:58:27 EST
From: chuck at synchro.com (Chuck Cox)
Subject: Re: Judges

Ron Karwoski asks:
> 
> Also our Club is looking at organizing a hombrew competition for
> our county fair in August. What we need are judges. Is there a list
> of registered judges someplace? How does one go about hiring a judge
> and what are typical costs? Also, anyone know what it takes to become
> an AHA sanctioned competition and is it worth it?

All organizers are encouraged to post competition announcements and
requests for beer judges to JudgeNet <judge at synchro.com>. 

Most judges charge $50 per beer judged.  I, however, am a bargain.  I'll
judge for free if you'll cover my expenses and introduce me to a
beautiful single adult female biped who owns a brewery or racing team
and has bad taste in men. 

Seriously, BJCP judges cannot be paid to judge AHA or HWBTA sanctioned
competitions.  However, a free lunch is considered appropriate, and many
competitions offer 'Beds for Brewers' where visiting judges stay at
local brewer's homes. 

Contact the AHA (phone & address in Zymurgy) for a list of judges and
details about becoming a sanctioned competition. 

Having a sanctioned competition gets you some advantages:

 - BJCP Judges get experience points.
 - Competitors may consider it more legitimate (this is debatable).
 - Announcement in Zymurgy (if they feel like it).

- -- 
Chuck Cox   <chuck at synchro.com>
Eliminate domestic terrorism - disband the BATF.

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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1993 09:19:14 -0800 (PST)
From: gummitch at techbook.com (Jeff Frane)
Subject: Brewing Mystery -- Sherlock Homeboy Solves All

> 
Knight,Jonathan G" <KNIGHTJ at AC.GRIN.EDU>
> 
> I have been re-using yeast by saving the slurry from the primary and washing 
> it using the sterile-water method.  Recently, I decided to pitch a new batch 
> directly onto the yeast cake in the SECONDARY of a previous batch.  Both of 
> these batches have developed a similar off-flavor.  
> 
> I would described this flavor possibly as either "wet cardboard" or "cooked 
> corn" - but since I can't decide which, perhaps it is neither and I'm just 
> groping for terms to describe it from stuff I've read.  And incidentally, I 
> don't remember where I read them or what is supposed to cause these 
> particular flavors.  Quite a few batches ago I had one that turned out 
> "cidery," and there was absolutely no doubt about how to describe that.  The 
> cideriness subsided after a few weeks in the bottle and the beer was not 
> great, but drinkable.
> 
(wet cardboard -- oxidation; cooked corn -- DMS)


> But I digress.  The interesting thing is that a third batch of beer made 
> from the same yeast, washed from primary slurry, shows no sign of that 
> flavor defect.  The three recipes are completely different except for the 
> yeast.  Personally, I suspect that my problem came from reusing yeast from 
> the secondary that had been DRY-HOPPED.
> 
> Here's the scenario:  Batch one, California Common using Wyeast 
> "California," from package built up in DME starter.  Batch two, a porter 
> (?) or at anyrate a dark steam beer, made with California yeast saved from 
> prinary of batch one.  Bathc three, a cream ale (or cream steam in this 
> case I suppose) made with California yeast from secondary of batch one 
> (which had been dry-hopped).  Batch one and batch three have identical 
> flavor defects.  Batch two is fine.
> 
Without being able to taste the beer, it's difficult to speak with too
much authority, but...  The odds are that there was a contamination
problem _after_ you transferred the beer in Batch 1 to the secondary --
or rather, during the transfer.  Batch Two was brewed with the clean
yeast from the primary, but Batch Three was fermented with contaminated
yeast.  Sanitize the bejezzus out of all the plastic that the beer would
be coming in contact with.  Also, check your carboys for scratches; it's
possible that there are bacteria lurking in there.  I had a recurring
unpleasant aroma (maybe the same one) that I could trace through several
batches...the common problem seemed to be equipment used in transfer.  I
tossed out _everything_ made of plastic and retired a suspicious carboy.

- --Jeff



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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1993 09:46:02 -0800
From: wolo at cory.Berkeley.EDU (Greg Wolodkin)
Subject: the Speise of life

In yesterday's digest, Ulick writes:

> Other points.  I just read Eric Warner's Weissbier book.  A good book.

> He is very unconcerned with oxygen introduction at bottleing because the
> yeast will use it.  This contradcits other writers wh tend to be anal on
> this point.

> Suggests priming with Speise (literally food) and suggests the first runnings,
> from the lauter tun (with pasteurization).  Anyone tried this?

Those two suggestions go hand in hand -- *if* you prime with malt sugars, 
*then* you shouldn't worry about a little oxygen in the bottle, since the
yeast will use it.  If you prime with corn sugar, however, Miller points
out that the Crabtree effect kicks in, and the oxygen is untouched by the
yeast.  

Sometimes I refrigerate the trub after racking into primary -- by bottling
time this separates, leaving enough wort to prime with.  I guess the first
runnings would work as well, since you'd only have to save a small amount.
For the homebrewer, though, once you've boiled that small amount and then
separated the hot and cold break, will there be anything left?  It might
take a few attempts to get the volume right.

Thanks for the info, Ulick.  I've heard a few bad comments about some of
the other books in this series, but so far only good things about this 
one.  Guess I better go buy it..

Cheers,
Greg

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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 93 12:46:37 CST
From: Brewmeister Gene <ezimmerm at hp.uwsuper.edu>
Subject: Ginger Steamer

Salutations all!

    I'm an extract brewer that uses spec. grains and starter cultures that
just brewed a Steam beer. 
Anyway, here's the recipe:
			Ginger Steamer

	6#   unhopped Amber liquid extract
	1#   120L Carmel Malt
	1/2# Victory Malt (25L) (Oven Toasted at 350F for 15 min)
	1/2# Double Malt (45L)

	1 oz Chinnok 13.6 % (Boil)
	1/2 oz Cascade (15 min left)
	1/2 oz Cascade (7 min left)
	1/2 oz Cascade (2 min steep)
	~1 oz fresh Ginger indiscriminatly put in the last few minuets of
	the boil (15-5 min left)

    I will dry hop with 1/2 oz Cascade when I rack to the seconday.

    Oh, I am using Wyeast's California yeast, smells GREAT!

Gene in Duluth
 


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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1993 11:28:39 -0800 (PST)
From: Paul dArmond <paulf at henson.cc.wwu.edu>
Subject: Dark Grains - Mashout

I've only just started adding the dark grains at mashout, but my initial
impressions are:

1) It takes a little more, since the extraction time/temp is less.
2) It greatly reduces the astringent harshness that comes with high
amounts of dark grains.
3) It makes chocolate malt more coffee-like and less burned.
4) Small amounts of black patent (3 oz.) can add color with no perceptible
burned taste.

I haven't tried it with a stout (roast barley) yet, so that's still a
mystery to me.  I'd like to hear more about other brewers experiences.

Paul.



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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 93 13:30
From: CCASTELL.UNIX11 at mailsrv2.eldec.com (CCASTELL)
Subject: Seattle Brew Fest '93

I apologize to everyone for taking up bandwidth with announcements that
are only of interest to a small percentage of the readers.  Unfortunately,
I don't know of any mailing lists for Northwest readers, so here I am.
(If there is such a list, put me on it and send me a copy of the list.)

And since I'm talking about Northwest issues:  Yes, I did have the
Redhook Smoked Scottish Ale.  Very drinkable once you got past the first
sip, but not exactly my idea of a Scottish Ale.  (Never had anything
like that on Rose Street!)  The current Redhook specialty beer is a
Honey Stout.  Quite good!

****************************************************************************

The Washington Association of Small Brewers Presents

SEATTLE BREW FEST '93
at Seattle's Union Station

Opening Gala Evening to Benefit Cancer Lifeline
Thursday, April 8, 6-9pm
Tickets: $25 in advance, $30 at the door
($50 sponsor and $100 patron tickets also available)
Admission includes handcrafted beers, souvenir glass and fine local food.
Call 654-4141 to reserve your ticket.

Friday April 9, 3-11pm
Saturday April 10, 12-10pm
Tickets $5 in advance, $6 at the door
Admission includes 3 script and souvenir glass
Friday and Saturday tickets available at:
The Trolleyman in Fremont (Redhook)
Big Time Brewery and Alehouse in the University District
or call 365-5812

****************************************************************************


I recommend the Cancer Lifeline benefit.  All the food you want plus
all the beer (and cider) you can drink at one low cost, with the
proceeds going to benefit a worthwhile charity.

Previous Cancer Lifeline beer have included ALL of the Northwest
microbreweries plus some from California (Sierra Nevada and Anchor
were there last year) as well as Canada (Big Rock has made the trip
from Calgary both of the past benefits).  This is a great place to
meet and talk with the brewers, and help contribute to a good cause, too.

Hope to see everyone there.

Charles Castellow  (ccastell at eldec.com)



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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 93 16:02 CST
From: arf at genesis.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling)
Subject: Almost Free Kegging

 
 >From: Nir Navot <LCNAVOT at WEIZMANN.WEIZMANN.AC.IL>
 >Subject:      Brewing supplies in Europe
 
 >I thought the USA would be a good source for me, but apparently the shipping
 expences are just too high. 
 
 Just for the record, the price I quoted you was for 2nd air shipment of a 20 
 mill.  I refuse to deal with the US Postal Service on this item but I am sure 
 most retailers have no such compuction regarding routine brewing supplies and 
 the cost would be far less than UPS air.
 ..........
 
 Someone quoted the Wyeast packet as a vindication of the 1.020 starter wort 
 gravity and I only ask, where did THEY get the number?  These things have a 
 tendancy to gain a life of their own and rattle around forever.
 
 ..........
 
 Here's another GREAT IDEA from the World's Greatest Brewer....
 
 This one is untested but considering the source, it's gotta work.
 
 For the poverty stricken brewer who just knows that kegging is the way to go 
 but has to feed the kids before buying tank and regulator, it has occurred to 
 me that a very simple alternative exists.
 
 Take an empty keg and and drop in a chunk of dry ice.  Seal it up and connect 
 it to the keg of beer and the job is done.  A few inexpensive refinements 
 would be an air pressure gage to monitor what is going on, a valve or two and 
 even a regualtor if funds allow.
 
 I have no idea how much ice is required to develop what pressures and for how 
 long but, as it's not my problem, I leave the details to those venturesome 
 experimenters who have contributed so much to this hobby in the past.
 
 js
 
 p.s.  To protect myself from greedy lawyers, I would not suggest doing this 
 without a pressure gage and close monitoring till we know what to expect.  I 
 believe the Cornelius kegs are rated at 150 lbs but I have never and would 
 never go above 50 lbs with them.   I would have been delighted to run these 
 tests but the idea came to me last night will filling the last of my 4 kegs 
 and it will be awhile till I have an empty one.
 
 jjs
 
 
 
 

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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 93 18:11:23 MST
From: birkelan at adtaz.sps.mot.com (Joel Birkeland)
Subject: Question on sterile wort preparation



Several people have mentioned using a pressure cooker
to can sterile wort for the purpose of yeast culturing.
This idea appeals to me, since the pressure cooker would
sterilize the wort and containers, thereby allowing somewhat
relaxed sanitization procedures during wort preparation.
However, when it comes time to use the wort, it must be
poured out of the canning jars and into the vessel which
will be used to culture the yeast, with the associated
contamination risks.

It would be nice if the same jar that was used in the pressure
cooker could accept an air lock.  This way, when it came time
to make the starter, one could simply take the jar of sterile
wort off the shelf, open it, put in the yeast, and attach
a sanitized airlock.

Does anyone know of small-mouthed jars with accompanying
small lids and rings, (sort of like a miniature Ball jar), 
which would accomodate a drilled stopper?

Some may consider this a ridiculous idea, but I feel that
anything that simplifies my yeast culturing is worthwhile.

Joel Birkeland
Motorola SPS
birkelan at adtaz.sps.mot.com

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Date: Sat, 27 Mar 93 12:58:06 -0500
From: polstra!larryba at uunet.UU.NET
Subject: Re: starters

In HBD #1105, Jonathan Knight writes:
>...
>However, for the sake of simplicity, I think Jack has the best idea - just 
>save a pint from your last batch!!  (all together now:  "DUHHH!")  Anything 
>that saves me time making beer so I can spend more time enjoying the 
>results, I'm in favor of.
>
>Jack, how careful are you about what kind of beer you save for starters?  
>Have you ever used, say, an Imperial Stout for a starter for a Pilsener?  
>Or do you always use less strongly-flavored worts for starters?

Indeed, one should use common sense with regard to the color of the wort 
and hopping rate used in the starter and the target beer.  Because starter
wort is usually diluted (see below), you don't have to be too anal about 
this.
>
>Anyone else have experience with this method?  

I do it all the time.  Usually I recover 2-4 pints of wort from the kettle
trub (filter it through a fine mesh nylon hop bag) and then boil can it
in mason jars.  Sometimes I just pitch the cooled wort into the fermenter
(keeps that total extract rate high), sometimes I use it for Krausening
(all natural..) and if I am low on starters I'll dilute the wort to 1.020
before canning and store those in my beer box.  I also use recoverd
wort for plating and slants: Just add 2% flaked agar (from the chinese
section of the grocery store) boil to dissolve, strain and boil can in 
small mason jars for storage.  

A plug for more complicated brewing:

Yeast management is amazingly simple and easy once you get over the hurdle
of doing it.  Just like all grain, it does
involve a little extra effort, but the $$ savings over $5 yeast packets
is considerable.  Since recovering wort and canning it is part of my 
usual kitchen clean up, after brewing, it doesn't seem to take any extra
time.  Building up yeast doesn't take much time either: I just have to 
start two days earlier that when using a Wyeast packet.  

Cheers!
- -- 
Larry Barello			uunet!polstra!larryba

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Date:   Sat, 27 Mar 1993 14:06:17 -0500
From: unixbox MMDF Mail System <mmdf at canrem.com>
Subject:  Failed mail  (msg.aa05650)

Nick Zentena asked about imported beer in Niagara - Buffalo region.
Will be happy to talk off-line, Nick.  Please send e-mail address
to TKSJOHN at UBVM.BITNET
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Date:         Sat, 27 Mar 93 14:06:23 EST
From:         John Pedlow <TKSJOHN at UBVM.cc.buffalo.edu>
Subject:      beer on Niagara Frontier
To:           Nick Zentena <zen%hophead at canrem.com>
X-Acknowledge-To: <TKSJOHN at UBVM>
Message-ID:  <9303271406.aa05650 at unixbox.canrem.COM>

Hi Nick,

This is a test to see if I can get throuhjg to you.

John  (halfway between Buffalo and Niagara Falls)

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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 93 14:54:21 PST
From: Scott Lord (CompuCom) <v-ccsl at microsoft.com>
Subject: HOME BREW U

Michael Jackson will be the gust speaker at this years Home Brew U 
seminar here in Seattle WA. put on by Charles Finkel of the Pike Place 
Brewery and Liberty Malt Supply Co. .  Should be a good one this year 
with seminars all day and a lunch banquet  that features a verity of 
oysters and other food that is prepared with beer. Fred Eckhardt will 
also be there as a guest speaker.
It happens on 3-27 at "The Improvisation" Comedy Club on 1st ave down 
town Seattle.


Normal disclaimers apply

Scott Lord
v-ccsl at Microsoft

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Date: Sun, 28 Mar 93 18:15:45 BST
From: Conn Copas <C.V.Copas at lut.ac.uk>
Subject: Re : oatmeal

Jean's comments on the lipid content of oats prompted me to go looking in the
supermarket this weekend. I found that flaked oats, oat bran and wheat bran all
contained from 5-10% fat by weight. In the case of the 'brans', that presumably
means they are adding back the germ, no? The levels in the flakes varied
considerably, presumably depending upon whether whole grain cereals were
employed or not. Interestingly, the oat bran contained considerably more
carbohydrate than the wheat bran. I made a test mash of oat bran alone today
and obtained an extract of around 30/lb/Imp gall, ie, comparable to the flakes.
Viscosity, however, seemed less on an informal basis. One thing that has me
slightly bemused is that I would expect a 7% lipid content to result in an
immiscible layer whenever the substance was boiled in water; yet this does not
occur. Adding an additional 7% vegetable oil to the oat bran solution
certainly resulted in a visible layer.

I have had more head retention problems using exorbitant quantities of crystal
than I have had from using oats. By 'problems' I mean that it may require 3
month's maturation before the brew holds a decent head. A lot of factors are
presumably at work here, such as how much lipid is retained in the grain bed
(if mashing), how much gets bound up with the trub, how much attaches to any
finings which are employed, how much participates in esterification reactions,
etc (although George Fix seems to suggest that only saturated fats are
significant re ester formation). Following this line of reasoning, I guess that
fining can be deleterious to hop aroma?

- -- 
Conn V Copas
Loughborough University of Technology          tel : +44 509 263171  ext 4164
Computer-Human Interaction Research Centre     fax : +44 509 610815      
Leicestershire  LE11 3TU              e-mail - (Janet):C.V.Copas at uk.ac.lut   
G Britain                                      (Internet):C.V.Copas at lut.ac.uk


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Date: Sun, 28 Mar 93 11:08:31 PST
From: dbell at cup.portal.com
Subject: Re: Lead from brass, and EPA

Sam Atkinson posted (in part):
                                                                               
>We are also exposed to lead in trace amounts in the food that we eat; it
>is naturally occurring in soil; it is in many pesticides, and is attached to
>airborne particles (this is why EPA has banned leaded gasoline).

This was certainly part of the reason tetraethyl-lead was banned. The
most important reason, however, was that lead poisons the platinum
catalyst in the catalytic converter that breaks down nitrogen oxides.
Even a minute amount of lead in the exhaust quickly makes the converter
useless...

Dave
dbell at cup.portal.com

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Date: Sun, 28 Mar 93 20:04:27 CST
From: Dr. Marc Kelly <mkelly at ccu.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: Rye Crystal Malt


I read here last week that someone had found a source of rye malt.
I tried getting this myself, but the only source that I could find in Zymurgy
 had gone out of business.
The reason for my interest is that I was thinking of trying to make crystal
 rye malt from it.
Does anyone have a current source, and does anyone know whether soaking this
 stuff to make crystal malt would carry any risk of ergotism?
 Maybe I should ask the Pied Piper :-)

I was also looking for a source of quinoa and amaranth to no avail. 
I even tried to search the 'Net on the keyword "grain".
Anyone else have any luck, or know the protein/fat contents?

Jack said that he had used mulberries a while back. This was my favorite
berry, but since leaving sunny Australia, I've never seen them again.
Was this a local supply, or would it be possible for me to obtain some
somehow?

Sorry for the wish-list,

Marc Kelly.

mkelly at ccu.umanitoba.ca
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