HOMEBREW Digest #163 Mon 29 May 1989

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  Re: Sam Adams ALE - made in Boston! (Michael Eldredge)
  Re: Bud Bashing (was Reinheitsgebot) (Michael Eldredge)
  dangers (or not?) of aluminum (Dick Dunn)

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---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 28 May 89 15:28:38 PDT From: dredge at hitchrack.STANFORD.EDU (Michael Eldredge) Subject: Re: Sam Adams ALE - made in Boston! Personally, I like Sam Adams' Lager. I like it alot. I had it a couple years ago on a trip to Boston and it is now available here in the San Francisco area. I don't drink it frequently -- but then again, I don't drink any one beer frequently because we are lucky enough to have so many good beers available. I think it is *extremely* wrong to bash SA's product. You can like it or not -- ie: it tastes good or it tastes bad. But the owner and company and company policy are not the beer. It is important to separate discussion of product and marketing methods. While I agree that Koch and his strategies are "asshole-ish", he has had a net positive influence on the resurgence of good beer in the US. Through whatever means, he has got a small scale, non-US/rice style beer out in many markets. He has raised the awareness of a broad spectrum of people. As homebrewers, we are (or at least -- can be) quite snobby about all facets of the brewing process (I know I am). But as homebrewers we are also the minority of beer drinkers. I welcome ANYONE that can get more and more of the public to take an interest in what they drink -- to recognize that there is not one particular taste that is "beer". All the Boston bickering is only helping the consumer. They are getting better and better beer every year. Last month I was back in Boston and lived at the Commonwealth Brewery, drank a fair bit of Harpoon Ale and even toured the Harpoon Brewery (and just missed the opening of the Cambridge Brewery). There is constantly more to choose from. BTW, out of all the "Boston" beers, I like Commonwealth's Celtic Ale the best, followed by Sam Adams Lager. But I'm willing to re-assess my list on my next trip out. Michael Eldredge Stanford University, IC Lab Return to table of contents
Date: Sun, 28 May 89 15:46:04 PDT From: dredge at hitchrack.STANFORD.EDU (Michael Eldredge) Subject: Re: Bud Bashing (was Reinheitsgebot) > Date: Tue, 23 May 89 14:36:49 EDT > From: holos0!lbr at gatech.edu > Subject: Bud Bashing (was Reinheitsgebot) > If you don't like Budweiser, it means you don't like its *style*. No. I don't like Budweiser! I like American Lager/Pilsner *style* beers. On hot sunny days there is nothing better than a Strohs, or Coors, or Miller, or Hielmans or Henry's. But Bud is another story. Besides its taste, I have never had such bad hangovers from any other beer. I'm sure the point was: If you don't like American Lagers, it means you don't like [their] *style*. and that Bud is the big American Beer. But I just don't like Bud. BTW, for some real fun -- let's take the Sam Adams/Jim Koch marketing technique conversation and apply it to A-B's marketing. I would contend that Bud is the number one selling beer NOT because it is the best, but because it is pushed the best. "Sam Adams -- Boston's patriot and first party animal!" Michael Eldredge Stanford University, IC Lab Return to table of contents
Date: 28 May 89 22:52:14 MDT (Sun) From: hplabs!utah-cs!cs.utexas.edu!raven!rcd (Dick Dunn) Subject: dangers (or not?) of aluminum from a few issues back... > > The major reason (that I have heard) that people advise against using > > aluminum is that large quantities of it in the brain are linked with > > Alzheimer's disease. and a.e.mossberg wrote... > As for aluminium, while the link has been rumoured for years, only recently > has data been available showing a correlation with high brain levels of > aluminium and senile dementia/alzheimer's, and the legal machinery moves > slowly and laboriously. Perhaps some folks are worrying about this a lot, and it seems well estab- lished that there's a high correlation between excess aluminum in the brain and Alzheimer's. However, (unless it's been recent) there isn't a known causal relationship here. That is, the aluminum may be the cause of Alzheimer's, or it may show up there for some other reason. (For example, something else could be causing both Alzheimer's and accumulation of alumi- num in the brain. I'm not saying that's the case; I'm just pointing out that while all you have is correlation and not causality, it's possible.) There are at least two other questions to be answered before we decide that aluminum pots are a problem: First, does the aluminum really leach out of the pots? The answer is at least "usually not" because the surface of the pot is really aluminum oxide, which is pretty tough even if the metal underneath is soft. You have to have something strong enough to pull the oxide off the surface and into solution. Second, once you get an aluminum compound of some sort in solution in food, is there a mechanism for absorb- ing it into the body, transporting it to the brain, and keeping it there? I don't know whether wort will peel off any significant layer; I've never tried it. Anyone ever tried using an aluminum pot for the boil and found that it cleaned the pot? > > There is another reason to avoid the aluminum boiling vessel besides > > the obvious health risk. Aluminum imparts a nasty flavour to most > > anything cooked in it... I have to object to this one; it's just far too strong. There are things you can cook in aluminum pots which might pick up an objectionable flavor, but not "anything". Lots of very good cooks and fine restaurants use aluminum successfully for lots of good food...I'd stay away from highly acid foods, but that may be superstition. But I'll confess that I don't use aluminum for either my brewing or my chili. I bought a 21-qt stainless pot many years ago, rationalizing the expense by being able to use it for both beer and chili (not simultaneously:-). --- Dick Dunn {ncar;ico;stcvax}!raven!rcd (303)494-0965 or rcd at raven.uucp Return to table of contents
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