HOMEBREW Digest #1667 Tue 28 February 1995

Digest #1666 Digest #1668

		Rob Gardner, Digest Janitor

  Fermenter Questions (Will Self)
  Re: gelatine ("D.W. Blackie - Television and Imaging DJ - ext 5316")
  Yeast Pitching Rate vs Wort Gravity ("Fleming, Kirk R., Capt")
  Kettle Sight Glass and Fittings ("Fleming, Kirk R., Capt")
  How do I add to sierra archive? (Carlo Fusco)
  Hawaii, Wakiki? (Martin Hatlelid)
  Smoking Grains (Alan Folsom)
  Fuller's ESB clone (Steve Ropp)
  Re: Dropping Beer (Tel +44 784 443167)
  Re: New address for Ulick Stafford (Ulick Stafford)
  Help Mississippi (Karen Barela/AHA President)
  Hallertau Mittelfruh Hops (WILLIAM E STEIMLE)
  Frozen Starters Addendum (" Patrick G. Babcock")
  Brewing in Germany (Sawyer David CDT)
  Hop bitterness in beer (ASB ("Daniel S McConnell")
  Even cheaper Counterpressure filler (repost) ("Roger Deschner  ")
  call for help in ole miss (MR WADE A WALLINGER)
  To All-grain & Kegs,  1995 Guidelines, Hop Storage, Quality Brews, Wasted Space (Gary Bell)
  Texturing of wooden mill rollers (Tom Clifton)
  competition R.C.M.P. (Martin Hatlelid)
  HBD Antabuse?/B-Brite/Wares (BrewBeerd)
  Cream Ale ("KEVIN A. KUTSKILL")
  Wonderful Porter Recipe (John J. Palmer)
  Irish Moss - revisited (Domenick Venezia)
  Siphon tubes (SMKRANZ)
  A good scale (SMKRANZ)
  5 litre minikeg response review!! (richard frederick hand)
  Yeast farming (TPuskar)

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---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Feb 95 21:52:47 -0700 From: wself at viking.emcmt.edu (Will Self) Subject: Fermenter Questions I would like to get some opinions on fermenters. Nowadays it seems that a homebrewer has very nice equipment available, except for a fermenter. Carboys are great, and certainly the price is right, but they have a couple of drawbacks, which I think would be answered by the use of a somewhat larger, cylindro-conical (or just plain conical) fermenter. I would like to have a fermenter, maybe somewhere around 12-15 gallons capacity, which would have fairly steep conical sides near the bottom for stuff to drop down. I have tried the inverted carboy method using the brewcap, and the fatal flaw, I think, is that the shoulders are not steep enough and the yeast will not slide down them to the bottom. (I even tried pushing a stainless steel scrubber into the brew and then moving it around with a strong magnet to remove yeast from the shoulders.) Also I personally feel that the brewcap system is a lot of danged trouble. I would like to have a valve at the bottom of the fermenter and attach a collection jar below. Here is my fondest hope: That I could leave the valve open at pitching time and that any trub that I have got into my fermenter would settle into the collecting jar during the lag phase and could be removed. So my biggest question is, does this sound feasible? Later in the fermentation, one could also remove yeast in this manner, and I'm quite sure that would work. I would want the fermenter to have a removeable top, and the top would have at least two holes in it, one for the fermentation lock and a larger one that I could use for a cooling system, maybe with stainless steel tubing running in and out the hole. If this and possibly another hole had little necks with standard canning-jar threads, I could simply close them off with canning lids if they're not being used. The third hole would just be for flexibility--unpredicted possibilities. The removable top would allow for skimming if that would ever be regarded as necessary. I would also envision a way of suspending some kind of metal mesh above the brew for all the gunk that comes up on the yeast head to stick to. This could possibly obviate skimming. Should there be a tap for sampling? One could of course take samples through the top using one of the holes and a wine thief, but I would think you could be more sanitary with a tap. You can see that one of my big aims is to totally eliminate racking. I would want to send the beer straight from the fermenter into soda kegs. So, given that there's nothing on the market filling my bill (is that in fact correct?) I ask, where can I get such a fermenter? Ideally, have it fabricated out of stainless steel! Unfortunately, this is too expensive for most of us. As I think of trying to build it myself, one material suggests itself: fiberglass. What I would like to hear is the general consensus on the feasibility of this. I know brewing in plastics is pretty much generally accepted, but that is polyethylene, not polyester, which is the resin part usually used in fiberglass construction. So there are two questions, really. Is it safe? --and-- What about scratches? I'm thinking that once every couple of years a person could paint thin layer of polyester on the inside of the vessel and renew the surface. That would be if one did indeed get scratches. It would seem that with a bit of care that wouldn't happen. Can a resident chemist comment on the safety question, whether anything is going to leach out of the plastic into the beer? One big advantage of fiberglass would be the flexibility of design it affords. You could make holes and then patch them back up when you changed your mind, you could add handles, ledges for the support stand, etc. Sorry this is long. But they're all really one big question in my mind :-) Comments, deep thoughts and half-baked ideas all welcome! Will Self Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 11:40:33 +0000 (GMT) From: "D.W. Blackie - Television and Imaging DJ - ext 5316" Subject: Re: gelatine Charlie Thanks for for request about gelatine. I've had a few other personal e-mails requesting information besides yourself. I began brewing about 11 or 12 years ago using Dave Lines "Big Book of Brewing" as a guide. I use gelatine from local supermarkets/shops sold for baking purposes. It comes in a pack of 6 sachets, each weighing about 12grams. I dissolve 1 sachet in about 0.25 litre of water which has been cooled and allowed to cool slightly. _DO NOT_ add gelatine to boiling water. This is sufficient for a 5 gallon brew. Hope this helps. regards Derek Blackie Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 95 08:53:00 MST From: "Fleming, Kirk R., Capt" <FLEMINGKR at afmcfafb.fafb.af.mil> Subject: Yeast Pitching Rate vs Wort Gravity I've now seen two sources of info which say yeast pitching rates should be increased for higher gravity beers. While at first read this seemed intuitive, it no longer is after actually thinking about it. My reasoning: the driver for pitching rate is to ensure the ratio (no. of viable yeast cells)/(no. of competitors) is large, and to reduce the lag time associated with yeast start-up in order to preempt competitors. To me, these goals should not be affected much by the nutritive environment--IOW, for a given ratio of yeast cells to competitors, the food-richness of the environment does not provide any different advantage of one population over the other. >From a pitching-rate viewpoint I really don't care because I pitch with at *least* twice the amount of yeast I've every seen recommended as "optimum"--it's essentially a free resource. But, I would like to understand the thinking behind the "pitch rate proportional to wort density" recommendations. Please show me The Way, yeast wizards. Kirk R Fleming -flemingkr at afmcfafb.fafb.af.mil Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 95 12:26:00 MST From: "Fleming, Kirk R., Capt" <FLEMINGKR at afmcfafb.fafb.af.mil> Subject: Kettle Sight Glass and Fittings I feel the need to add a sight glass to my keg-based kettle to more accurately measure start and finish volumes. Can anyone suggest a source for both the sight glass itself and the lower fitting it would go into? The design I imagine is a short section of ss pipe welded to the keg just above the lower chine, followed by a elbow pointing up, with a Teflon compression fitting into which a 1/2" OD sight glass would fit. At the top I'd improvise a support bracket bolted to the upper chine. Top of the sight glass would just remain open. Any ideas welcomed--I just don't care for the dipstick method of measuring the wort volume. Haven't seen any equipment ideas on this topic in the archives, but I think it would be of general interest to other HBD readers. Kirk R Fleming -flemingkr at afmcfafb.fafb.af.mil -BEER: Getting it right can be a bite. Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 14:27:08 -0500 From: Carlo Fusco <fusco at io.org> Subject: How do I add to sierra archive? Hello Brewers I have a brewing spread sheet that I feel is ready for the public. It was made with MS-Excel and I find it very useful in formulating all grain recipes. How do I go about uploading it to the homebrew archives? Please reply via email since I do not regularly recieve the HBD. Cheers Carlo - -- Carlo Fusco Aurora, Ontario, Canada Certified Beer Judge (BJCP) fusco at io.org Canadian Amateur Brewers ab779 at freenet.toronto.on.ca Association Board Member Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 12:04:53 -0800 From: martunes at unix.infoserve.net (Martin Hatlelid) Subject: Hawaii, Wakiki? A friend of mine is going to Wakiki on Mon, Feb 27th and would like to know of any brewpubs or interesting places to find a decent beer. Private email would be appreciated. Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 12:50:15 -0800 From: folsom at ix.netcom.com (Alan Folsom) Subject: Smoking Grains Does anyone have suggestions on smoking grains for Rauchbier style? I have a Webber type grill, and some Applewood chips intended for smoking (Yes, I know Beechword is traditional, but what the heck). At present I'm intending to soak the applewood chips, and place them on hot charcoal briquets, then put about two pounds of soaked pilsner grains on a screen as high as I can get it above that, letting it go for I don't know how long. Does this sound reasonable? Any suggestions on smoking times, or improvements in the procedure? How much of this smoked grain should go into a 5 gallon batch? I'm also considering doing two 2 1/2 -3 gallon batches, one of a Rauchbier type and another of a smoked porter. I've never had either, although they sound interesting. any suggestions or comments would be appreciated. Thanks, Al F. Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 15:01:59 -0600 From: sropp at ti.com (Steve Ropp) Subject: Fuller's ESB clone Does anyone have a good receipe for a clone of a Fuller's ESB? Preferably an all grain receipe. Private email is fine. To brew or not to brew, Steve Ropp sropp at ti.com Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 17:03:16 +0000 From: Brian Gowland <B.Gowland at rhbnc.ac.uk> (Tel +44 784 443167) Subject: Re: Dropping Beer In HBD 1664, "Fleming, Kirk R., Capt" <FLEMINGKR at afmcfafb.fafb.af.mil> wrote: > > RE: HBD #1663 > > Dropping Beer > ------------- > > > > From: johnj at primenet.com (John J Palmer) > > Subject: Dropping == Racking?! > > I started this thread with a question to Brian G. re: his processing of > beer to ensure a clear, cask-conditioned ale. Brian came back with his > process, which included racking the beer after 24-36 hours of ferment. > He called it "dropping", and yes, I agree we'd just call this racking > the beer after two days. I agree that what I physically do is to rack the beer. The term "dropping" comes from when the technique was used by commercial breweries in years gone by (it still is by some). The beer was transferred to a clean fermenter on the floor below the first one - essentially, the beer was "dropped" by gravity. > In item 2), I see no connection between flocculation levels and oxygen > depletion. My interpretation is that it is essential that sufficient yeast is available after dropping to continue normal fermentation but that with highly flocculant strains, there will be more yeast left behind in the bottom of the fermenter. In order to re-establish a strong colony, the re-aration will allow aerobic respiration which is when yeast is at is most reproductive. > This raises another question: shouldn't this be done prior to the yeast > going anaerobic? I think the idea is that the yeast that is actively working in suspension is the "master race" and that it is only when this yeast is in full working order that you want to drop in order to discard the initial head and whatever has sunk to the bottom of the fermenter. > Finally, does any of this nonsense have anything to do with a clear beer? I believe that it does help the beer clear in that by dropping and removing a great amount of trub and possibly inferior yeast, the beer will clear faster. As I've mentioned before, I rack without aeration to another fermenter 24 hours prior to barreling (when the beer is at or near FG). If I haven't dropped the beer, it is noticably more cloudy than when I have. Thats all I can say. Cheers, Brian Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 17:07:51 -0500 (EST) From: Ulick Stafford <ulick at augustine.helios.nd.edu> Subject: Re: New address for Ulick Stafford I am moving to Ireland tomorrow. My new address (snail) is Dr Ulick Stafford Ballyhurst Taghmon Co Wexford Ireland phone: +353-53-34191 I shall be working for Sola Lenses Sola Lenses Whitemill Industrial Estate Wexford Ireland phone: +353-53-43700 fax: +353-53-41671 My main Notre Dame email address ulick.g.stafford.2 at nd.edu and all its simpler related cousins (such as ulick.stafford at nd.edu) will continue to forward to the afs system and afs addresses should be good too (e.g. the machine I am posting this from). ulick at ulix.rad.nd.edu is NOT a good address any more, so please adjust your address book accordingly. My web page has also been moved to the afs system and the address is in the signature below. Once I have a new email address in Ireland, I shall contact you again. _____________________________________________________________________________ 'There was a master come unto the earth, | Ulick Stafford, born in the holy land of Indiana, | Dept of Chemical Engineering, in the mystical hills east of Fort Wayne'.| Notre Dame, IN 46556 http://www.nd.edu:80/~ulick/ | ulick.stafford at nd.edu Return to table of contents
Date: 24 Feb 95 18:10:50 EST From: Karen Barela/AHA President <75250.1350 at compuserve.com> Subject: Help Mississippi Here's an update for anyone interested in helping to pass a law in Mississippi that will make homebrewing statutorily recognized. Contact Bobby Howell who is in the house committee. He is NOT for this change of law and he needs to be convinced. The more people who contact him and let him know that homebrewing is a great hobby and that it should be legal in Mississippi the better chance this bill has of passing. He needs to be contacted before Tuesday, Feb 28. Not much time. Refer to bill # 2097 Bobby Howell (601) 359-3770 (601) 359-3728 FAX PO Box 1018 Jackson, MS 39215-1018 400 High St. Jackson, MS 39201 Charlie Gutberlet (sp?) is an AHA member who has been closely tracking the progress of this bill and keeping the AHA informed. He has more details if you would like to contact him. (601) 638 2144 or (601) 634 3862. I'll post more information when it becomes available. - Karen Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 17:15:04 -0800 (PST) From: WILLIAM E STEIMLE <usteiw00 at beauty.mcl.ucsb.edu> Subject: Hallertau Mittelfruh Hops Does anyone know of any other commercial beers besides Boston Beer Co.'s that use the Mittelfruh hops. Private e-mail is fine usteiw00 at mcl.mcl.ucsb.edu Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 24 Feb 1995 23:10:14 EST From: " Patrick G. Babcock" <usfmchql at ibmmail.com> Subject: Frozen Starters Addendum *** Resending note of 02/24/95 23:03 * Man's mind, stretched by a new idea, never goes back to its * * original dimension. - Oliver Wendell Holmes * Subject: Frozen Starters Addendum PLEASE NOTE: In my recent response to Chris Strickland regarding use of frozen starters, I omitted the words 'with water' in the suggestion to boil them to 'sanitize and reduce SG' (paraphrased). I appologize for any confusion this omission may have caused as boiling without water addition would serve to increase the SG of his starter. Brew On! Patrick (Pat) G. Babcock usfmchql at ibmmail.com (313)33-73657 (V) (313)59-42328 (F) Return to table of contents
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 95 08:49:50 EST From: x52074e1 at WESTPOINT-EMH2.USMA.ARMY.MIL (Sawyer David CDT) Subject: Brewing in Germany Hello, I'm in the Army and recently choose Germany as my first post. After brewing my first batch over Christmas break, I would like to continue homebrewing, but was wondering what the rules are regarding homebrewing in Germany. Is it legal? Any information on this would be appreciated. Dave Sawyer Return to table of contents
Date: 25 Feb 1995 10:29:17 -0500 From: "Daniel S McConnell" <Daniel.S.McConnell at med.umich.edu> Subject: Hop bitterness in beer (ASB Subject: Hop bitterness in beer (ASBC Method) Here is the ASBC method for spectrophotometric estimation of hop bitterness in beer. [ref : ASBC methods of Analysis, 8th Edition, 1992]. Very simple and effective. An HPLC method also exists for hop and hop extracts which I can post if someone is interested as well as another spectrophotometric method for measuring alpha and beta acids. -Transfer 10.0 mL beer to a 50 mL centrifuge tube. -add 50 uL octyl alcohol, 20 mL isooctane (HPLC grade) and 1 mL 3M HCl . -shake vigorously for 15 minutes. -centrifuge to separate the phases. -read organic phase at 275 nm (1 cm cell) vs blank (20 mL isooctane, 50 uL octyl alcohol). Notes: isooctane should have an Abs at 275 <0.005 otherwise distill. BU= Abs at 275*50 Example: Abs =0.622 0.622*50= 31.1 BU Have fun DanMcC/AnnArbor danmcc at umich.edu Return to table of contents
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 10:05:55 CST From: "Roger Deschner " <U52983 at UICVM.CC.UIC.EDU> Subject: Even cheaper Counterpressure filler (repost) I got this off HBD about a year ago, and I use it. It works fine, as long as you follow rules 1 and 2 carefully; after painting my kitchen ceiling with beer the first time I tried it, it has worked without incident after that. =============== "Civilization was CAUSED by beer." ===================== Roger Deschner University of Illinois at Chicago rogerd at uic.edu + + + + + + + + + + + + + REPOSTED from HBD + + + + + + + + + + + + + + > >Date: Mon, 07 Feb 94 21:44:08 CST >From: Darren Evans-Young <DARREN at UA1VM.UA.EDU> >Subject: Counterpressure Fillers > >I bought a CP filler awhile back and spent bucks trying to get it >to work without filling bottles with foam. I gave up. No matter what >I tried (high pressure, low pressure, low temp, etc), nothing would >work. A brewer friend of mine at Birmingham Brewing Co. told me how >to make a CP filler for less than $1. Guess what? His idea works great! >All you need is a length of vinyl tubing and a #2 drilled stopper. >Put the stopper one bottle length onto the tubing. Sanitize it and >your keg faucet (iodophor works great here). Set your keg pressure (this >takes some experimentation, 15 psi works good for me). Put the long >end of the tubing onto your faucet, make sure its on good! Place the >opposite end (closest to stopper) into your sanitized bottle and seal >bottle with the stopper. You'll need to hold the stopper in the bottle >TIGHT at this point. Open the faucet wide open. The bottle will fill >slightly with beer until the pressures equalize. When this happens, >*SLOWLY* crack the stopper seal with your hand. Release the pressure >very slowly. Your bottle will fill with hardly a bubble. Remove the >tubing from the bottle and let the excess from the tubing drain into (and >in the bottle. Cap the bottle while foam is still in the neck (no O2). > >Rule 1 : Dont forget to release the faucet when the bottle is almost ful > Otherwise, you will be amazed at how far beer/mead will shoot > across a room (or two). Not that I know from experience. :-) > >Rule 2 : Wear eye protection!!!! Just in case you have a weak bottle > or you forget Rule 1. Beer and mead will sting if it gets in > your eyes. Its hard to rinse your eyes while laughing at your > stupidity of forgetting Rule 1. > >Rule 3 : You may need to slightly overcarbonate your beer. You ARE > force carbonating to get exact CO2 volumes, right? > >Rule 4 : Have your caps and capper ready. You don't want to lose too muc > CO2 after filling. Have the next bottle to fill nearby to put > the hose into after filling the 1st bottle. That way you don't > contaminate your hose by setting it on the counter. > >Rule 5 : Have your beer in the keg cold as possible. If the beer foams > in the tubing, set your pressure higher, although if you releas > the pressure and fill slow enough, even though there are bubble > forming in the tubing, your bottle will still fill without foam > >That's about it. I've been VERY pleased with this method, although I fee >stupid about spending all that money on a CP filler instead of $1 worth >of vinyl hose and a stopper. You live and you learn. :-) If you have >further questions, let me know. > >Darren Return to table of contents
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 10:44:56 EST From: GCTD31A at prodigy.com (MR WADE A WALLINGER) Subject: call for help in ole miss we need some help in dixie getting a law passed to legalize homebrewing in mississippi. (winemaking is already legal.) senate bill 2097 passed, and is now in committee in the house. the bill has been referred from the ways and means committee (chaired by charlie williams) to the rules subcommittee (chaired by glen endris). we understand that the resistance is coming from bobby howell, another committee member. we have until tuesday to convince them to let the bill proceed to the floor for a vote. please help us if you can by contacting any of the following: charlie williams 601-359-3343 glen endris 601-359-3355 ms house switchboard 601-359-3770 (for howell and others) ms house fax 601-359-3728 tia... Return to table of contents
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 10:37:23 -0800 From: gbell at ix.netcom.com (Gary Bell) Subject: To All-grain & Kegs, 1995 Guidelines, Hop Storage, Quality Brews, Wasted Space February was a progressive month for me: I went all-grain and also went the kegging route. Some brief comments on each: My all-grain was a 2-gallon barleywine (which kept me from having to buy a new kettle right away) and it went fairly well. I used a 5-gallon Gott as my lauter-tun. I didn't use a false bottom but made a manifold of about 12 feet of 3/8" copper tubing bent into a tight coil that completely filled the bottom of the cooler. I drilled 3/32" holes in the bottom of the manifold at about 3 to the inch. I used a 1/2" ball valve with a 1/2" flush brass nipple. The manifold fits into the 1/2" pipe with a tubing-to-pipe adapter which is only finger-tightened to it can be removed for cleaning. The mash and sparge went (mostly) like a dream. No sticking or clogging - I had to be careful not to open the valve too much and race through the sparge. I used a gradual decoction (about 2 quarts at a time) for mash out, raising each decoction to about 180 F, because I was afraid of astringency by boiling a portion of the mash. Was that over-kill? My only real problem was that I stopped the sparge too soon. I ended up with 2.5 gallons instead of 3.5 which meant a shorter boil and a smaller brew. I didn't even bother to calculate my efficiency after that blunder. Oh well, I'm sure the compost critters will appreciate the extra sugar [:-D]. I did my kegging set-up for $125: three Cornies for $5 each and, best of all, a 20 lb. CO2 cylinder at the scrapyard (without "Property of..." on the side!) for $15. No avoiding the $50 for a good regulator and $25 for fittings, line, and new O-rings. Five gallons of stout went in the keg last night and I'm a happy man! A couple of other notes: Someone mentioned the 1995 style guidelines. Are they posted anywhere for downloading? Fred Waltman (or was it Norm Pyle?) brought up hop storage. I put my hops in zip-lock freezer bags and suck the air out of them before closing. I put all the backs together in a big "Tupperware" tub, and freeze them. Does that sound like poor practice? Rich Whitney asked about quality of homebrew and microbrew. I'd say that there's more bad homebrew than bad microbrew, but the best homebrew is better than 95% of microbrew and the best microbrewed beer is better than 95% of homebrew. I think that most micros could, even with limited resources, make top-notch beers and I don't understand why more don't. Probably a lot of reasons; poor taste, lack of real interest, poor role models while growing up [;-)]. While the worst of them get what they deserve and usually go out of business fast, the mediocre seem to do just fine. If only they'd put half the money and energy into recipe and technique improvement that they put into T-shirt design.... And while I'm ranting and wasting bandwidth: given the size limits of HBD and the fact that there is almost always a 2-3 day backlog, I would appreciate it if those who post using double-spacing, post multiple articles to the same issue, and have cute but epic-length signature lines would clean up their acts. We could easily fit another page or two of content in each issue but for the wanton extravagant beauty of all the ASCII graphic sigs. I'm now getting into my Nomex and putting on my helmet and goggles... - -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gary Bell "Laxo, non excrucio, poto cervisia domestica." Lake Elsinore, CA Return to table of contents
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 95 16:29 EST From: Tom Clifton <0002419419 at mcimail.com> Subject: Texturing of wooden mill rollers >From Patrick Babcock >In a previous quest to do as you are doing, I was told that the texturing >of the rollers helps to graw the grain in between. Cross-hatch patterns >were most often cited as best. I just completed a mill with 4" diameter hard maple rollers. It turned into a LOT more work than I had imagined and I can certainly understand why Patrick bought a commercial mill. The tools you have available and your own skill are the limiting factor in what you do to the face of the rollers. In my case I was able to route V grooves 1/16" deep along the axis of the roller. The grooves were spaced every 10 degrees which puts them about 1/3" apart. More important seems to be the speed at which you turn the rollers. With untextured rollers turning at 100rpm It was a complete flop. Slowing the mill to 50rpm and grooving it seems to be the ticket. Having said all that (and having done all the work) I would have probably been a lot less frustrated had I gone to a machine shop and had somebody fabricate some 2" diameter knurled rollers as Chris Barnhart did for his mill. The other thing that seems to be absolutely critical is the bearings. Even though I bought some very good ball bearings ($7.25 each from Bruning) the small ammount of slop in the mounting of the bearings allows the rollers to open up .010 to .015 with a full load of grain. I expect that I can correct this by setting the bearings in epoxy - but that means taking the whole thing apart again. Considering the low speed I'm using If I did it over I'd probably use bronze bushings and a 3/4" shaft rather than the ball bearings and a 1/2" shaft. However, hindsight is 20/20... Also - I have only run 20lbs of grain through it, but so far the face of the rollers is holding up. I don't think that I will grind any carapils or wheat though. The pale ale and American 2 row are likely to be what I run through it as those are home in bulk. Everything else I grind at the store & keep it in glass jars until it is used. Tom Clifton St. Louis, Mo. Return to table of contents
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 14:18:36 -0800 From: martunes at unix.infoserve.net (Martin Hatlelid) Subject: competition R.C.M.P. Our brew club, the Royal Canadian Malt Patrol, is a having a competition; Wort You Brewing '95. Entries from the US can be shipped to : RCMP c/o T. Moffet 1920 Province Rd. Point Roberts, WA 98281. Entries from outside the lower mainland can be shipped to: c/o RCMP Suite 320, 5780 Cambie St, Vancouver, B.C. V5Z 3A2. Date for the competition is March 18, '95. Deadline: March 11,'95. Entry fee: $6.00. Entry requirements: Three bottles accompanied by the standard AHA form. Return to table of contents
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 18:45:16 -0500 From: BrewBeerd at aol.com Subject: HBD Antabuse?/B-Brite/Wares -=> Wha Hoppened? Thursday I was breathing in a paper bag. Friday I was on oxygen and in shock. Saturday I'm back among the living. Two days without my HBD... ...guess I'm an addict. Anyone got any HBD antabuse? As a relatively new HBD'er (1/25/95), am I going to go through this often? -=> My suggestion that B-Brite ($1.99/8 oz) is the same as A&H Super Washing Soda ($1.89/55 oz) has fielded some fire on the basis that B-Brite is sodium PERcarbonate as opposed to A&H which is sodium carbonate: I was going to take this as just another case of having fallen prey to some bad info, but Jim Ancona's and Algis Korzonas' comments caused me to take pause and read some labels. I found the following: o The two tubs of B-Brite in my basement list only sodium carbonate and sodium silicate (a dessicant, I believe?) as components. A&H lists only sodium carbonate, as pointed out by all those replying. As an aside, I have used the washing soda on my bottles several times with other means of sanitation and no occurrence of infection. o Meijer brand washing soda (a store-brand) contains sodium carbonate, sodium percarbonate, and sodium silicate. All in all a more effective 'soup' than either of the above. And, at $0.89 for 40 ozs, it changes whose doing the stealing. (And I wasn't going to use this because sodium percarbonate wasn't listed on the B-Brite tub...) I would be interested in a having the professional chemists and biologists among us discuss this. It's been a LONG time since I had my college chemistry courses, but I recall the PER indicates one more oxidation state (additional oxygen molecule) over the carbonate. It makes sense that sodium percarbonate Na2CO4 in aqueous solution would react to give off the oxygen as a gas more readily than would sodium carbonate Na2CO3. Both leave HCO3- and OH- in solution. Strongly basic. (Hydrogen peroxide in H2O decomposes to H2O and [1/2]O2, so H2O2 in solution w/sodium carbonate as a result of using sodium percarbonate is unlikely.) I'm also curious, since aerobes like oxygen and anaerobes don't care: How does evolving oxygen sanitize? So, I guess, this leaves three questions: Is a caustic solution from sodium carbonate sanitizing? Secondly, is the B-Brite label withholding information, or does B-Brite only consist of what is listed on its label (Or do I have some weird limited edition)? And, thirdly, does the evolving oxygen from H2O2 and other such compounds actually sanitize, or does it merely scrub? These questions and suppositions may seem a little 'basic' to some, but I'm sure there are others in the circulation of the HBD besides me who are asking these questions. Any professionals trained in the fields care to take this up and set me (us) straight? TIA. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= I'm going to take a whack at building up a flexible brewing recipe formulator/tabulator/ log program. In making it flexible, I'd like to be able to allow the user to select whose IBU calculation they wish to use for any particular recipe. Regrettably, I only have the equations from Papazian and Garetz. If anyone can (and are willing to) provide Rager's and any other IBU curves and calculations via e-mail for inclusion in this software, it would be greatly appreciated. TIA. When this project is completed, I intend to enter it as either shareware, freeware, or (most likely) public domain. And, since the platform I'm using is common to the Mac, it may be available for the Mac as well... (BTW: this will not be a 'quick' thing. It may take the better part of a year...) Brew On! P.G. Babcock usfmchql at ibmmail.com (e-mail notes only) BrewBeerd at aol.com (e-mail and attached files) Return to table of contents
Date: 25 Feb 95 22:20:02 EST From: "KEVIN A. KUTSKILL" <75233.500 at compuserve.com> Subject: Cream Ale Anyone out there willing to part with a good recipe for a cream ale? It a beer style that doesn't seem very popular, but after reading the AHA style guidelines for it, I am intrigued. Extract or all grain is O.K. TIA. Kevin A. Kutskill ("Dr. Rottguts") Clinton Township, MI "A beer a day keeps the doctor happy" Return to table of contents
Date: Sat, 25 Feb 1995 21:43:01 -0800 From: johnj at primenet.com (John J. Palmer) Subject: Wonderful Porter Recipe Hi Group, Well, Scott and I tapped my Brown Malt Porter Recipe for the first time over the weekend, and its very good. Not as heavy a porter as Anchor or Sierra Nevada, more like Samuel Smiths Taddy Porter. Has a nice discreet bitterness to it from the Hugh Baird Brown Malt and a rich flavor from Crystal and Special B. Great ruby red color from the Special B. It looks like a lot of Hops, but they balance against this grain bill very well. Here is the Recipe: Brown Malt Porter Recipe Volume: 11 gal after boil Yeast: Nottingham English Ale dry w/Starter Malts: OG of 1.058 1. 20 lbs of 2 Row 2. 1.5 lbs of Special B 3. 2 lbs of Crystal 70 4. 2.5 lbs of Brown Malt Hops: 40 IBUs 1. 1.5 oz of Galina (11) at 60 2. 2 oz of EKG (5) at 40 3. 1.5 oz of Willamette (4.3) at 20 I have medium carbonate water, low sulphates. The mash was a little over an hour, (you know, sampling previous batches and shootin' the breeze), Single Temp infusion at 155F. Boiled for almost 80 minutes total. Primary'd at 68F for a week, Secondary'd for 3 wks at closer to 70F. Kegged and Force Carb'd. The Brown Malt was rather harsh after the boil and at racking time still, but that time in the secondary really mellowed the edge. I will make this again. John J. Palmer Metallurgist johnj at primenet.com or palmer at ssdgwy.mdc.com *Check out my new Homepage, The Palmer House Brewery and Smithy at http://www.primenet.com/~johnj/ Return to table of contents
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 09:47:20 -0800 (PST) From: Domenick Venezia <venezia at zgi.com> Subject: Irish Moss - revisited Last year there was an Irish Moss (IM) thread that seemed to settle the fact that you need to use more than some published accounts to get the desired effect (1 tsp if memory serves). The recent talk of dropping and the references to Graham Wheeler's "Home Brewing: The CAMRA Guide", prompted me to pick up a copy and in it all the recipes call for 5g/25L (1/5g per liter = 3.79g/5gal). G.Fix suggests 1/8g per liter = 2.37g/5gal of "refined" IM. The IM I have weighs 2.23g/level tsp which agrees quite nicely with Al Korzonas' 2.36g/tsp. I've been using 2.5g/5gal and it seems to work quite well for brews in the 1.040 range, but it seems not to be enough for brews pushing 1.060. All this is just by way of observation the real point follows: Since IM helps the break material agglutinate and the amount of break material is proportional to the amount and type of malt (SG), should IM be added in proportion to the boil's specific gravity? For example, the amount of break material is greatly different between an ordinary English bitter at 1.040 and a strong Scotch Ale at 1.085. Does anyone have a rule of thumb they use, or experience that says to scale the amount of IM by heaviness of brew? Perhaps, (SG - 1.0)*10 grams per gallon? Reality checks are welcome. In fact any checks are welcome. Domenick Venezia ZymoGenetics, Inc. Seattle, WA venezia at zgi.com Return to table of contents
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 14:41:26 -0500 From: SMKRANZ at aol.com Subject: Siphon tubes >One thing I've thought of, but haven't seen, is flexible bulb that would >be somewhere in the tube between the carboy and the bottling >bucket, much like the siphoning tubes available at automotive >stores. I hesitate to use an item designed for gas on my beer, but I >haven't seen one any where else. Has anyone seen such a beast, >suitable for transferring beer? If so, where? For a good siphon tube with a bulb, made of the same clear plastic tubing most folks use, check out your local aquarium store. The better ones have a soft rubber bulb that works better and lasts longer than the cheaper plastic ones I've seen in auto stores. And they can be easily taken apart, and sanitized with the rest of your transfer tubing. It takes a little practice to get the siphon going without blowing air back into your wort, but it's a very simple procedure. Steve Kranz smkranz at aol.com Return to table of contents
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 14:41:55 -0500 From: SMKRANZ at aol.com Subject: A good scale Dan Wood wrote: >Most of the "diet" scales I've seen have granularity of an ounce >or less, and their accuracy is questionable. On the other hand, I'm >not ready to jump to a triple-beam. Anyone know of a simple >balance, good electronic scale, anything in between? TIA While I haven't tried one, Williams Brewing Co.'s new catalog sells a counter balance scale that has calibrations of 1/32, 1/8 and 1/4 of an ounce. It sells for $26.90. Williams' order line is 800-759-6025. Steve Kranz smkranz at aol.com Return to table of contents
Date: Sun, 26 Feb 1995 22:21:35 -0400 From: richard frederick hand <ac081 at cfn.cs.dal.ca> Subject: 5 litre minikeg response review!! Sorry folks for the lengthy delay in getting this out. It was purely a matter of lots of will but no time. Anyway... Thanks to all who responded. Following are excerpts of SOME of the replies. All of them were helpful, and hopefully will help those who are interested in this subject. So without further ado, here goes... -... their beer was not fully "attenuated" when they "bottled". -...I've heard a number of people say they have gotten too much pressure when using 2/3 to 3/4 cup corn sugar per 5 gals...You can get almost one and a half party kegs pushed with only one 16 oz. cyl. Before with the grey buggers, I'd be lucky to drive one keg with 2 to 3 cylinders. The problem with the grey buggers is that they puncture the seal in the cyl. before the rim of the cyl. seals against the rubber (maybe plastic) washer in the tap. About half or more of the cylinder's contents escape before you can get the damn thing driven home. You have to be damn fast twisting it home to avoid leaks. In fact it is impossible not to lose quite a bit... -...I found two problems with mine that were setup problems. One problem was that a hex nut that holds the piece that pierces the CO2 cartridge was not tightened down enough. CO2 was leaking around the piercing piece. After tightening the nut, I have had no problems with that, but being all plastic you have to be careful. The other problem had to do with the valve itself leaking CO2. When I would turn the valve to the off position, a little CO2 would leak through. I basically had to take the valve piece apart and readjust it... -...my guess is that the priming solution wasn't adequately mixed in the beer prior to kegging. With a smaller amount of sugar, mixing become very important...keep an eye on them (kegs) and bleed off CO2 by lifting the edge of the plug if it appeared they were overcarbonating... -...overpriming and overcarbonation is probably the most common problem. At the very most, I would prime at the accepted keg rate of 1/2 cup per 5 gallons. Many of the directions I've seen recommend 1 tablespoon of corn sugar per keg... -...another element that could affect one keg performance vs. another from the same batch is fill height. The more head space you leave above the beer, the higher the pressure you will build...they recommend about 1/2 to 3/4 inch head space... -...I found a way to rid it (the keg) of the excess pressure...I got an ordinary knife (silverware) and got under the lip of the bung and pressed hard into the center of the bung. If you do it hard enough, a small opening will let the excess CO2 escape. When you remove the knife, the bung seals back up. -...The CO2 dispenser works well. The only trouble I had was when early on I wanted to take off the CO2 part, but when I did, pressure leaked out from the keg. This might be my fault since I did not lube the 1-way valve in the keg as the instructions said I should... -...it was mentioned that a customer had to screw it in with a lot of muscle. This is in fact what causes the problem. You need to only screw it in gently until the major CO2 blast subsides. If you try to "tighten" it further, you will chew up the plastic washer that holds the cartridge in place. Once this washer is damaged you will have the CO2 leaks mentioned...one half the priming sugar is required, 1/3 to 3/8 corn sugar for a 5 gallon batch.The customers who stated that they didn't overprime, either miscalculated or didn't understand. I suppose if the CO2 tap was left on all the time this could cause some problems. There has been some misconception about the use of the tap and that it should be left open all the time. If you are conservative with your CO2, just using short blasts, one cartridge could last you one to one and a half kegs... -...I found that it took about 1 full cartridge and part of another to move all the beer. This amounts to two since there doesn't seem to be a way to use just part of a cartridge. At two cartridges/keg over the course of 3 hours I am not thrilled. This gets pretty expensive! -...This is my method for minimal foam (less than a glass) 1. Make sure the keg has chilled for 24 hours or more. 2. The initial tap should use the natural CO2 pressure in the keg. 3. Tilt the glass as you pour into it. 4. Most important, push the handle down until there is a tiny trickle into the glass. What you are doing here, is gently reducing excess CO2 pressure. The first glass might take a half minute to pour, but it is worth it. 5. The next glass or two may or may not need the trickle beginnings. You get so you can anticipate when it is safe to open the tap fully... -...Use less than normal priming (usual suggestion was about 1/2 normal...); don't use chlorine to clean (B-Brite was suggested - and a note than it is quite difficult to drain the keg after cleaning and "neat things" might grow in it if left unused for awhile); make sure the keg is chilled before broaching it or risk vast amounts of foam in your glass; and only use the CO2 in short bursts when needed... -...I find that the 16 gram cartridges leak the least, but all do leak... -...The first time I used one (keg system) I found similar problems with leakage of pressure. I then smeared vaseline over all seals and joints. I still do it up tight, and it has solved the problem. One cylinder now does the whole barrel normally... And that's all, folks (for now), Rick Hand Halifax, N.S. Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 1995 06:55:37 -0500 From: TPuskar at aol.com Subject: Yeast farming Here's a question for all of you yeast ranchers out there. I just started farming my own yeast and read somewhere (maybe a FAQ, maybe an article) that one should not try to use dry yeast as a source for farming. Question is why not? I've read that contamination of this form of yeast is higher than that found in liquids. Is this the only reason? Couldn't plates be made from the yeast as it is pitched or perhaps from conditioned bottles and single colonies collected and used? Another question, I have a bottle of Cat Tail Ale which was produced by the now defunct Dead Cat Alley Brewery of Woodland, CA. It has been in my fridge for at least 3 years. It looks clear and uncontaminated. I don't know if it was filtered and can't detect much of a sediment due to scratches on the bottle. Does anyone know what yeast may have been used for this beer? Any ideas if I might be able to recover it? Wonder if the beer is drinkable! I wasn't into brewing when I got this and it only laziness in cleaning out the fridge that caused it to still be here :-) Finally, a collection of geese is a gaggle, a bunch of cattle is a herd--what's a collection of yeast cultures called? How 'bout stacosacch or sacchpak? :-) Maybe the guys feuding on Judgenet can lighten up a bit and help us out on this. After all yeast source may well be important as a judging criterion some day. All suggestions are welcome. Happy brewing, Tom Puskar Return to table of contents
End of HOMEBREW Digest #1667, 02/28/95