HOMEBREW Digest #4278 Mon 23 June 2003

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  OK, I'm done. Now, some beer stuff. (Teresa Knezek)
  Orval ("Troy A. Wilson")
  ok, now back to Brewing: (darrell.leavitt)
  Re: Scottish and Smoked Malt (David Edge)
  Re: Smoking, enough already.... (NO Spam)
  Is Bill W. an Alcoholic??? (David Perez)
  Missing Lines again ("Byron Towles")
  Thanks for Pig info ("Patricia Beckwith")
  Drilling a Kenmore Fridge ("Dave Larsen")
  RE:  Porcelain Repair (Bill Tobler)
  Advice for a new brewer? ("john w")
  Lemongrass ("Steve Jones")

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---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2003 22:59:04 -0900 From: Teresa Knezek <teresa at mivox.com> Subject: OK, I'm done. Now, some beer stuff. BEER RELATED: Recently discovered Deschutes Brewing Company's Cinder Cone Red ale. Love the stuff. Spending way too much money on it. Is there a clone recipe out for this one? I've only recently seen it in area stores, so I don't know if it's a new brew, or one they've just never "imported" to the frozen north before... OK. Final words on smoking below. Just clarifying a little misunderstanding. At 12:31 AM -0400 6/21/03, Request Address Only - No Articles wrote: >Now here you are saying that nobody can smoke, ever... I never said that. :-) I fully support a person's freedom to kill themselves with whatever vice they choose. Legalize drugs and tax the hell out of them.... it would probably make it a lot easier to liberalize homebrew-related laws if the gov't had to fuss over regulating all the 'hard stuff'. However I do not support their fallacious "right" to inflict the side-effects of their habit on me. But then I suppose people would be arguing that they should be able to smoke heroin and freebase down at the corner bar too. After all, anyone who doesn't want to have to breathe heroin smoke and cocaine fumes in a public bar or restaurant must be a socialist, eh? ;-) >By the way Teresa, I'm now withdrawing my marriage proposal. >The Beer Phantom I hope I'm not supposed to be somehow hurt or insulted by this. ROFL - -- ::Teresa : Two Rivers, Alaska:: [2849, 325] Apparent Rennerian "It has been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few virtues." -- Abraham Lincoln Return to table of contents
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 03:06:18 -0500 From: "Troy A. Wilson" <troy at troyandjulia.com> Subject: Orval After reading a few posts about Orval I happen to be in my favorite beer vendor's store when I looked up from the Young's Double Chocolate I was about to purchase and spotted an odd shaped bottle. Something about it struck me as familiar. Then the name hit me... Orval! After hearing both good and bad from the HBD posters, I had to try it. I was prepared for the worst, but hoped for the best. End result: I like it. A lot. I'm going to buy more. Then I'm going to figure out how to make it. I love homebrewing. Troy A. Wilson troy at troyandjulia.com Here's to you and here's to me, Life long friends we'll always be. If ever we should disagree, F at &K you and here's to me! - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 6/10/2003 Return to table of contents
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 05:56:34 -0400 From: darrell.leavitt at plattsburgh.edu Subject: ok, now back to Brewing: I am planning a light hefe (to be followed next week with a darker hefe) and am open to comments and suggestions. This is what I am thinking about: 5 lb 2 row (either Golden Promise pale, or a Moravian Pils) 5 lb malted wheat 1 lb malted Rye (I like the bite that this renders to a hefe) 150F for an hour or so... 1 oz Tet (17 or so IBU) at start of 60 no finish hops.... wlp300 Hefe vial...1st use... Any comments, suggestions , improvements, would be appreciated. ...Darrell Happy Brewing,...and responsible Drinking! Return to table of contents
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 12:34:59 +0100 From: David Edge <david.j.edge at ntlworld.com> Subject: Re: Scottish and Smoked Malt Darrell told us: >I just transferred a Scottish Red Ale from primary to secondary, and 1/2 lb >of Peated Malt made it taste wonderful! The grain bill was: >4 lb Pale Malt >2.5 lb Wheat Malt >2 lb Dark Crystal >.5 lb Peated Malt >1 lb CaraAmber >3 lb Munich Malt This sounds very tasty, but is there meant to be any connection between "Scottish Ales" and ales brewed in Scotland? The defining characteristics of ales brewed in Scotland were (I thought) low-ish temperature fermentation and sparing use of hops, both a consequence of geography. Could one perhaps call this style a Classic American Scotch Ale? Half a pound of smoked in that lot sounds low - I didn't get much from the kilogram (of Rauch) I put in a similar beer - do you know the level of peating? It can vary from at under 5 to over 80 ppm phenols. Does anyone know how this compares with Bamberger Rauchmalz? David Edge (who lived in Scotland for 25 years) Signalbox Brewery, Derby Return to table of contents
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 12:24:27 -0400 From: NO Spam <nospam at brewbyyou.net> Subject: Re: Smoking, enough already.... >There are plenty of people lining up right behind the anti-smoking >nazis and they have a whole list of things to protect you from >because you're too stupid to take care of yourself. They have a >whole bunch of things they would love to ban. Alcohol is on the >list, so is junk food, so are guns, so are automobiles (no, I'm >not kidding, anyone own an SUV out there?). Yeah, there was a campaign not long ago - television ads - proclaiming SUV owners as criminals who support drugs and terrorism, because they allege that money from gas purchases for SUV's goes to drug lords and also to countries that fund terrorism. It was nothing more than a scare campaign (shortly after 9/11), and a bunch of mindless drivel, because doesn't ALL gas money go to these places? Iraq is one of our biggest oil producers, and they're the ones trying to ill us all and blow us all up. So why target only SUV's? What about all the 18 wheelers on our roads, pickup trucks, motor homes, all the other cars, etc? I suppose they don't use any gas. No, this was specifically targeted at SUV's because there are people who don't like the bigger vehicles on the road, and want to try to push auto manufacturers to scale them back and legislation to restrict them. And yes, this is another example of how people make up stories and twist facts to influence public perception and attempt to control some area of your life. We hear about guns all the time. And just imagine for one second if those kids who shot up Columbine had had ONE DROP of alcohol in their systems, what the fallout on alcohol from that might have been. Roe vs. Wade is constantly under attack. There are news stories today about it from the Democratic Presidential candidates. One of them favors appointing justices who would overturn Roe vs. Wade. I know if you look into who's behind the attack on tobacco, you'll find it's also big democrats - like Al Gore for one, (Mr. Anti- personal freedom himself) and also the whole thing really began under Clinton. I wonder if HE wasn't trying to extort money from the tobacco companies, as we know now that his whole presidency was just one big grab by him and Hillary. And the thought of her running for president scares me to death. Also, alot of big, organized religious groups, who apparently have money to throw around, are also behind the attack on tobacco. I don't know if that's true of the attack on SUV's or not. So apparently, we have to keep an eye on big religion as well as big government. But then, Jim and Tammy Faye showed you what big religion is all about, (air conditioned dog houses and Gucci toilet bags) so you should already know that. No flames from here, I think you said it best when you wrote: >Government is the most intrusive and bloated entity on the planet. And >people like Teresa and Brian are more than happy to keep feeding it. The >more power you give it over your life, the more it will want. Look at Russia. Big government ran people's lives for many decades, every aspect. And people had to stand in line for 8 hours or more to get a bag of potatoes or a carton of eggs. When the KGB was in its heyday, people really had no rights at all. If they said something publicly that the gov't disagreed with, they disappeared in the middle of the night, never to be seen again. I remember vividly when the first McDonald's opened over there, how it cost more than a week's wages in Russia for a family of 4 to eat there, and how it was actually considered an upscale restaurant. I also remember many stories of people taking all the napkins, salt, sugar, and even toilet paper from the McDonald's, because these people had nothing. This is what big government does, and what it will do to you, too, if you let it. Bill Return to table of contents
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 15:26:41 -0400 From: David Perez <perez at gator.net> Subject: Is Bill W. an Alcoholic??? I tried posting this back on the 15th but it never showed up. So, I try again. The most interesting thing that has risen from the great question about how much we drink, is how the bulk of the responses shatter the notion that we are all Alcoholics. I have recently gone to kegging and have seen my consumption drop from 1-2 twelve oz beers per day to 1-2 five oz beers. Of course our brew club meetings and parties increase that amount significantly. There have been a couple of very good responses to Bill's query but I felt I should throw in the clinical response. First off, let me state that I am a Licensed Mental Health Counselor, who runs a substance abuse treatment program (anyone care to discuss perceived conflicts between by vocation and advocation?). Below you will find the diagnostic criteria for Substance Dependence, which is another term for Alcoholism. Now, while Spencer gave a good primer on the genetic underpinnings of addiction, you will notice that there is no reference to that in the diagnostic criteria. That is because while there may be genetic links to addiction for many people, there are some with no genetic predisposition at all who become dependent on substances. Substance Dependence: A maladaptive pattern of substance use, leading to clinically significant impairment or distress, as manifested by three (or more) of the following, occurring at any time in the same 12-month period: (1) tolerance, as defined by either of the following: (a) a need for markedly increased amounts of the substance to achieve Intoxication or desired effect (b) markedly diminished effect with continued use of the same amount of the substance (2) Withdrawal, as manifested by either of the following: (a) the characteristic withdrawal syndrome for the substance (refer to Criteria A and B of the criteria sets for Withdrawal from the specific substances) (b) the same (or a closely related) substance is taken to relieve or avoid withdrawal symptoms (3) the substance is often taken in larger amounts or over a longer period than was intended (4) there is a persistent desire or unsuccessful efforts to cut down or control substance use (5) a great deal of time is spent in activities necessary to obtain the substance (e.g., visiting multiple doctors or driving long distances), use the substance (e.g., chain-smoking), or recover from its effects (6) important social, occupational, or recreational activities are given up or reduced because of substance use (7) the substance use is continued despite knowledge of having a persistent or recurrent physical or psychological problem that is likely to have been caused or exacerbated by the substance (e.g., current cocaine use despite recognition of cocaine-induced depression, or continued drinking despite recognition that an ulcer was made worse by alcohol consumption) Specify if: With Physiological Dependence: evidence of tolerance or withdrawal (i.e., either Item 1 or 2 is present) Without Physiological Dependence: no evidence of tolerance or withdrawal (i.e., neither Item 1 nor 2 is present) Course specifiers (see text for definitions): Early Full Remission Early Partial Remission Sustained Full Remission Sustained Partial Remission On Agonist Therapy In a Controlled Environment Dave Perez Hogtown Brewers Gainesville, FL Home of the 1st Annual Hogtown Brew-Off, October 11, 2003 Return to table of contents
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 17:13:58 -0500 From: "Byron Towles" <beer.man at cox.net> Subject: Missing Lines again I've noticed lots of lines missing from recent posts, so I'll drop this info back on the digest from when I posted last year. copy / paste from HBD #4063, 10 October, 2002 Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 06:46:18 -0700 (PDT) From: "Byron's Yahoo Account" <btowles at yahoo.com> Subject: missing lines Hey gang, this probably only applies to those of us who are new to the digest, but the issue of missing lines from posts has come up before. I've noticed a trend, and it seems any line that begins with the word "end" will be eliminated from the posted article. I know that's hard to keep in mind when waxing eloquently about our favorite hobby. Anyway, if you happen to be reading your article prior to sending and you see "END" starting one of your lines, you may want to try to re-word what you have to say. Just posting some thoughts and observations. Byron Towles New Orleans, LA Crescent City Homebrewers http://hbd.org/crescent Return to table of contents
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 19:15:21 -0500 From: "Patricia Beckwith" <beckwith at gwtc.net> Subject: Thanks for Pig info Thanks to all who answered my newbie post about party pig carbonation in digest #4262. I tried my wheat brew today when the temps got into the 90's and it was wonderful! I'm the only beer drinker in the house so that's more for me. There is a lot of knowledge and experience on the HBD. I appreciate being able to learn from you. Back to lurk mode and reading the archives. Anyone else from South Dakota? Patricia Beckwith Murdo, South Dakota [856.9, 283.1] Apparent Rennerian Return to table of contents
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 02:33:48 +0000 From: "Dave Larsen" <hunahpumonkey at hotmail.com> Subject: Drilling a Kenmore Fridge Dave asked a question about drilling holes into a small Kenmore refrigerator. There is a compressor on the outside bottom back and a cooling plate over most of the inside back of the fridge. Fortunately, most of the lines and compressor are pretty well exposed, so I was pretty confident drilling through the thing. So far, the only hole I've drilled in it is on the back bottom left, between the cooling plate and the compressor, for the CO2. I made sure to drill from the inside to the outside, right below the cooling plate (drilling the other way, from the outside to the inside, you'd have to kind of guestimate where the cooling plate is, which did not seem like a good idea). The hole went through without a problem, well above the compressor and all the lines. Right now to dispense beer I open the fridge and dispense from the kegs directly. However, I have plans to put a two tap draft tower right in the middle top of the fridge, but have not done it yet (one of many beer related projects I have). I was just going to take the risk and drill right through the top. I am reasonably confident there is nothing in the way there, but I guess there is a small risk. Dave Larsen Tucson, AZ > >Brewsters: > >Dave Larsen suggests a Sears Fridge is perfect for two kegs and no freezer. >Looks perfect for what I have in mind. > >Dave, how did you modify it? Where can I drill safely? > >Keep on Brewin' > >Dave Burley > Return to table of contents
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 00:19:57 -0500 From: Bill Tobler <wctobler at sbcglobal.net> Subject: RE: Porcelain Repair Somebody from somewhere asked on Saturday, "Does anyone know of a product that can be used to repair damaged porcelain inside a brew kettle?" Loctite makes a product called "Porcelain Repair." It is a small tube, 1.5 oz and is a white brush on repair. I threw out the box long ago, but I seem to remember it was good up to 250 degrees F. It doesn't say on the tube. It is Item No. 80234. Stock No. FV-1. I got it at the local Hardware store. This is a Petroleum product, and has a very strong smell when first put on. Once dried, the smell goes away and is rock hard. I used it in my HLT to seal some rust spots on the inside welds of the couplings. I hope that helps. If you include your name and where you are from it makes your post more interesting. Maybe someone lives right around the corner from you who could help!! Ya never know. Bill Tobler Lake Jackson, TX (1129.7, 219.9) Apparent Rennerian Return to table of contents
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 08:39:35 -0500 From: "john w" <j2saret at hotpop.com> Subject: Advice for a new brewer? Judy liked the black and tan and is sure she wants to homebrew. I have lent her my copy of Reese's BETTER BEER AND HOW TO BREW IT. Which I think is a great simple introduction to kit beers and partial mashing, and I've advised her to get the 7 gal ss turkey fryer and propane burner kit for $30.00 as boiling kettle and primary fermenter. What other hints, tips or pieces of equipment not listed in BETTER BEER would be helpful for a brand new brewer? John Duluth Mn. "Labor is prior to, and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labour and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital and deserves much the higher consideratiion." A. Lincoln (1st marxist er Republican president) Return to table of contents
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2003 19:53:45 -0400 From: "Steve Jones" <stjones1 at chartertn.net> Subject: Lemongrass Let's get back to the subject of brewing. I had a beer last year at a brew festival called a Lemongrass wheat. I don't remember who the brewery was, but the guy serving said they really used Lemongrass, and not some spice or extract or something. SWMBO has asked me to try to brew it, and I'm planning to do so this week. However, I got to wondering how to use the lemongrass, and how much. She picked some up at the natural food store (dried), and I'm thinking there are a few different ways it could be used. 1. 'dry-grassed' in the secondary (how to ensure sanitization?) 2. Steep it in 180F water for 15 minutes, then add the water to the secondary. 3. Add it to the end of the boil. Has anybody used it before? Any suggestions? Steve I've been at [207.8, 265.3] AR until this morning - now back at [421.8, 168.5] PS - Those of you who missed the conference really missed out on the best homebrew event of all time. Those Chicago folks really raised the bar for upcoming conferences. BTW, each conference location is announced at the prior conference, and this year it was announced that next years conference will be in Las Vegas. I've been at [207.8, 265.3] AR until this morning - now back at [421.8, 168.5] Return to table of contents
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