HOMEBREW Digest #4298 Wed 16 July 2003

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  some brewpubs (upstate NY, Baltimore) (ensmingr)
  Weyermann for Vienna (Thomas Rohner)
  keg cleaning ("Spencer W. Thomas")
  Dinkel Acker Clone ("Sweeney, David")
  RE: squishy wheat (Brian Lundeen)
  Re: Keg cleaning question (R.A.)" <rbarrett at ford.com>
  Re: Teach an man to fish? (NO Spam)
  Re: Teach an man to fish? (Teresa Knezek)
  RE: brewing in Puerto Rico, Keg cleaning question, Teach an man to fish?, White Month (AKA Alcohol-Free Month) (Ronald La Borde)
  Scotland and Ireland (Glenn Ferrell)
  Sake ("Jennifer/Nathan Hall")
  Possibility of contamination? ("Association of Young E's")
  The Wizard Speaks! ("Rob Moline")

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---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 02:43:04 -0400 From: ensmingr at twcny.rr.com Subject: some brewpubs (upstate NY, Baltimore) Greetings, Visited some brewpubs in the past two weeks and thought I would share my opinions. I do not take notes when tasting, so have to rely upon my (occasionally faulty) memory. Baltimorons: Please send your feedback. *King Arthurs (Oswego, NY). All their beers were defective. And I heard the brewer was educated at UC Davis! They should excommunicate him. The atmosphere: a Disneyland version of the middle ages. This place should be bombed. *DeGroen's (<http://www.degroens.com/>, Albermarle St., Baltimore, MD). A strong reputation for their German lagers. My first visit, upon drinking a Pils and a Vienna, was that their lagers had a Weizenbier-like character (clove-phenolic and banana-ester). Contamination from their own Hefe Weizen? My second visit was contaminated with 20-somethings and loud music, so did not allow for quiet contemplation of the beer. *Wharf Rat (Pratt St., Baltimore, MD). A tiny Pugsley system (Shipyard, Middle Ages, Gritty McDuff's, ...). The cherry ale had a barely perceptible cherry character but lots of rotten cabbage (sulfide) character. OTOH, the pale ale was nice and chewy -- a real treat. *The Brewer's Art (<http://www.belgianbeer.com/>, Charles St., Baltimore, MD). Very laid-back atmosphere with some strange paintings but interesting Belgian-style beers. All the beers were enjoyable, but nothing really slapped me in the face. *Capitol City (<http://www.capcitybrew.com/>, Harbor Place, Baltimore, MD). Like the downtown DC place, they serve dumbed-down beers, but nothing that offends. Cheerio! Peter A. Ensminger Syracuse, NY Homebrewing: http://hbd.org/ensmingr Return to table of contents
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:21:57 +0200 From: Thomas Rohner <t.rohner at bluewin.ch> Subject: Weyermann for Vienna Hi Stuart, hi all Since my malts are all from Weyermann, i can't compare it to others. But i recently made a Vienna from 100 percent vienna malt. You don't need anything else.(except hops, water and yeast of course) All my friends love it. It's funny, i see lots of recipes with complicated malt bills, but i do most of my beers with two to three malts now. I started to make a summer beer last year. It really rocks. I'm normally closer to my Oktoberfest's(traditional style) or to my Bock's. But every brewery should have a light beer(something around 12 Plato or 1.048 SG). I listen to my visitors and friends, and they say the summer beer made of pilsener and vienna is very good. have a good time "down under" Thomas Return to table of contents
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 09:31:15 -0400 From: "Spencer W. Thomas" <spencer at umich.edu> Subject: keg cleaning I usually disassemble the keg completely every time. A good friend once developed a consistent sourness in his beers, which he eventually traced to something growing in a poppet valve. His practice at the time was to run cleanser and sanitizer through the poppets but not to take them apart. I soak everything in PBW, rinse well, and reassemble, then fill the keg with StarSan and blow it out (usually into another keg to reuse the StarSan) with CO2. Then I have a clean, sanitized keg full of CO2, just ready to rack new beer into it. =Spencer Return to table of contents
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 09:09:43 -0500 From: "Sweeney, David" <David at studentlife.tamu.edu> Subject: Dinkel Acker Clone After searching the archives and Cat's Meow, and finding nothing, I'm looking for a recipe for a Dinkel Acker clone. Any information would be helpful. David Sweeney Texas Aggie Brew Club Texas A&M University david at studentlife.tamu.edu Return to table of contents
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 09:43:12 -0500 From: Brian Lundeen <BLundeen at rrc.mb.ca> Subject: RE: squishy wheat Steve Alexander writes: I would not recommend mashing with damp malt or even recently dried malt. Yes the enzymes are present and you can make beer, but the crushing is very difficult. Me: This reminds of a question I had regarding some wheat I purchased. The first sack of unmalted wheat was so hard I thought my Armstrong motor was going to seize up during milling. Unfortunately, that supplier of good cheap wheat got out of the business. This last sack I bought from a different supplier was completely different. My Valley Mill had a heck of a time just getting it started. It just wanted to sit there while the rollers rotated freely beneath the grain. I had to open up the gap some to get it going, and when it did it didn't really look crushed. Just sort of "squished". IOW, it didn't break it up into fine particles, just smashed it down but the kernel still largely held together. Would this be indicative of too high a moisture content? Am I likely to suffer from mold problems as this stuff sits in storage? I mean, I like Wits, but it's still going to take me awhile to go through a whole sack. Cheers Brian, in Winnipeg Return to table of contents
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 10:49:02 -0400 From: "Barrett, Bob (R.A.)" <rbarrett at ford.com> Subject: Re: Keg cleaning question Dave Houseman asks: "I'm curious what others do on a regular basis in cleaning kegs from one batch to the next." Here is the procedure I use when a 5 gallon corny keg is empty: 1. Rinse the inside thoroughly with hot water 2 or 3 times. 2. Add 2 tbls Alconox and fill half way with hot water. 3. Scrub inside of keg with carboy brush. Side to side and up and down. 4. Replace lid and pressurize. Attach last used beer line hose with cobra tap. 5. Open cobra tap and force all soapy liquid out. (May reuse this to clean other kegs or carboys.) This cleans dip tube, beer line hose and cobra tap. 6. Repeat 1,2,4 and 5 without adding Alconox. (plain hot water only) 7. Remove lid and dry inside of keg with clean, soft towel. Store upside down. 8. Before filling the keg with beer rack 2 gallons of sanitizer solution into the keg and pressurize it. Slowly roll the keg on the floor for 3-5 minutes. Attach last used beer line hose and cobra tap and force sanitizer solution out. This will sanitize the keg, the poppet valve, the inside of the dip tube and the beer line hose and cobra tap. The only time I have taken the poppets off and inspected the dip tube is when I bought the kegs. This procedure has been since Big Brew 2000. I do have a keg of barley wine that has been in the cooler for 15 months. I think when that one is empty I'll disassemble and clean everything. We make the beer we drink!! Bob Barrett July is American Beer Month Drink American Beer!!!!!!! (2.8, 103.6 Rennerian) For some reason he didn't make the Beer BQ on Sunday!!!!! Return to table of contents
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 12:06:22 -0400 From: NO Spam <nospam at brewbyyou.net> Subject: Re: Teach an man to fish? The REAL saying is: "Give a man a beer and he'll waste an hour. Teach a man to brew, and he'll waste a lifetime." ;) Bill Return to table of contents
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 09:19:42 -0800 From: Teresa Knezek <teresa at mivox.com> Subject: Re: Teach an man to fish? At 12:15 AM -0400 7/15/03, Beaverplt wrote: >David Wilbur writes >This brought to mind the saying that goes something >like: "Give a man a fish and he eats for one day. >Teach a man to fish and he eats for the rest >of his life." > >The real saying is "Give a man a fish and he eats for >one day. Teach a man to fish and he'll sit in a boat >and drink beer all day". But if you teach a man to brew, his buddies will probably pay to bring him on the fishing trip... So it's an overall savings in the long run. (OTOH, for those anti-fishing folks: Teach a woman to brew, and her man may not bother with fishing...) - -- Teresa - Two Rivers, Alaska [2849, 325] Appt. Rennerian visit http://rant.mivox.com/ - mostly stuff and nonsense "It has been my experience that folks who have no vices have very few virtues." -- Abraham Lincoln Return to table of contents
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 12:21:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Ronald La Borde <pivoron at yahoo.com> Subject: RE: brewing in Puerto Rico, Keg cleaning question, Teach an man to fish?, White Month (AKA Alcohol-Free Month) Hmm, a whole lotta nuttin lately so I will add more nuttin :>)) >most locals who like beer like a very light local >brew, "Madailla" or its slightly darker >cousin "India". I had some Medallia on draft, and actually considering the choice, it was not bad. My PR friend who now lives in Louisiana likes it a lot! I would like to brew a similar beer to give to him - anyone have any help with a recipie?????? - ------------------------- >I'm curious what others do on a regular basis in >cleaning kegs from one >batch to the next I do not scrub with a carboy brush, because once I used one on a 15 gal keg, and when I looked inside a couple days later, there were rusty lines everywhere the brush had been. The twisted wire must have contaminated the keg walls. It cleaned up fine with bar keepers friend and some scrubbing. By the way, to get a good look inside - get a mag light, unscrew the top piece and the lit bulb will now appear on top, now just insert this inside the keg for a fantasitc view! Thanks Peter Caddoo of Dixie Brewing for this hint. The only time I disassemble the poppets or in/out tubes is in the rare instance that I had a spoiled beer in the keg just before I cleaned it. Now I like to clean the hand tap and tubing every time. This ever since I got a good look at the insides of one after a few weeks of use. - ----------------------- >The real saying is "Give a man a fish and he eats for >one day. Teach a man to fish and he'll sit in a boat >and drink beer all day". Give a man a beer and he will waste a day Teach a man to brew and he will waste a lifetime - ----------------------- >"A good test is to drink no alcohol for a month >without telling anyone why." I went on a ship cruise for 7 days, and thought this could be a good test (and save some money). I planned to see just how much I missed the 'relax, and have a homebrew'. Well, no problem, we were so busy having fun and eating that the ice tea was just fine at meals. Once at poolside, no twice, no hmm well gee, looks like I had about 4 beers at the lounge, 2 snob drinks at the poolside bar. Hmmmmmmmmm Ron ===== Ron Ronald J. La Borde -- Metairie, LA New Orleans is the suburb of Metairie, LA www.hbd.org/rlaborde Return to table of contents
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 16:24:41 -0400 From: Glenn Ferrell <gferrell at mrtc.com> Subject: Scotland and Ireland I'm getting married...again. I'm a widower. I'm marrying a woman who currently lives in Glasgow, Scotland. I was there in April and enjoyed visits to the local pub, sampling cask conditioned real ales and drinking Guinness on tap. I'm going back July 30th. My wedding is August 2, in Glasgow. We plan to spend most of our honeymoon in Scotland with four days in Dublin, Ireland. In Dublin, I want to take the Guinness tour, sample some of the fresh stuff and check out a pub or two, hopefully with some traditional music. Can anyone offer suggestions for our visit to Dublin and tell me what I should check out, beer wise, in Scotland. I'll be there two weeks this time. Thanks in advance... Return to table of contents
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 17:49:32 -0400 From: "Jennifer/Nathan Hall" <hallzoo at comcast.net> Subject: Sake Has anyone out there ever tried making Sake? I posted some info a few weeks ago offering some guidance on my experiences in Sake making, but no one that responded had actually tried making the stuff. I'd really like to hear about another's experience with making this beverage, if there is anybody! Nate Hall BBV Brewery Return to table of contents
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 23:10:37 -0400 From: "Association of Young E's" <aye at m-net.arbornet.org> Subject: Possibility of contamination? Hi! I'm experimenting with a semi-alcoholic beverage and am wondering if it's possible that it could be contaminated with anything that would make me sick. My recipe was: 2.5oz brown sugar 1/4 tsp cinnamon .5 oz red grape juice 4 tsp loose tea 1/4 tsp ginger 1/8 tsp ground cloves * Boiled for ~ 5 minutes * Red Star P.C. yeast (after cooling) It looks/smells ok, and I plan to bottle and carbonate it tomorrow (after about 12 days of fermenting). Is it ok? Thanks. Return to table of contents
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 22:48:46 -0500 From: "Rob Moline" <jethrogump at mchsi.com> Subject: The Wizard Speaks! The Wizard Speaks! So, Dorothy...you've travelled to the Land of Oz, and dreamily hypnotic from the fields of poppies, took a wrong turn and ended up in the Land of Iowa and then the BrewLands! Well done! Few discover my BrewLands, and fewer understand what they have found. I am pleased that you met my brewer Gump! He has been known to brew a decent batch or two....but I am not buying your description as a "cross between Sir Lawrence Olivier and Mel Gibson." More like Woody Allen and Carrot Top! But he really needs a brain! Nonetheless, I am afraid your 'pretty, pretty' words still don't secure Toto's release...yet. That will wait until you travel back to Iowa to see if the brewer Gump is still brewing well...or just playing with his Flying Monkey! Failure to return will result in next year's Holiday Seasonal...."Little Dog Lager!" BTW, Gump wants me to tell you that he never stated he had no scales...everyone who knows him will agree he indeed has a dorsal fin and scales.....he wanted you to tell your kin that he had no horns or a tail! Cheers! The Wizard (Gump) "I could while away the hours, conferrin' with hop flowers Consultin' with the grain. And my head I'd be scratchin' while my brews were busy batchin' If I only had a brain. I'd unravel every riddle for any individ'le, In RIMS trouble or HERMS pain." (Dorothy) "With the brews you'll be taskin' you could be Michael Jackson, If you only had a brain!" (Gump) "Oh, I could tell you why the hop needs a malty floor! I could think of beers I never drunk before! And then I'd sit, and drink some more!" "I would not be just a nothin' my head all full of stuffin' My heart all full of grain. I would dance and be merry, life would be a brew-a-derry, If I only had a brain!" (Apologies to EH Harburg) - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.493 / Virus Database: 292 - Release Date: 6/25/2003 Return to table of contents
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