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Contents:
  Mirror Mirror Barleywine ("SHAWN WICHMAN")
  Fullers London Porter ("Greg Brewer")
  Unfermented Wort (was: malta) (Alexandre Enkerli)
  Efficiency Calculation ("A.J deLange")
  AHA election results ("Susan Ruud")
  Re: Looking for PPG for unusual Adjuncts ("Jason Edwards")
  National Homebrew Day and Big Brew ("Janis Gross")
  DC/VA/MD Homebrewers - Spirit of Free Beer Announcement ("Mark E.  Hogenmiller")
  Hop vines (Fred L Johnson)
  Re: Serial Mash for Maize (Jeff Renner)


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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 20:51:04 -0600
From: "SHAWN WICHMAN" <wichways at msn.com>
Subject: Mirror Mirror Barleywine

Does anybody have a good extract clone for Deschutes Mirror Mirror 
Barelywine?
THanks
Shawn Wichman 


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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:59:32 -0500
From: "Greg Brewer" <gbrewer1 at gmail.com>
Subject: Fullers London Porter

Fullers London Porter is my favorite porter and I'd like to brew
something close to it.  In addition to its wonderful coffee and
chocolate aromas, including a hint of diacetyl, FLP has a distinct
toasted malt flavor that I'd like to capture.  I find the bitterness
to be mild, with no hop flavor and mild hop aroma, and a medium body.

The Fullers web site offers some hints for a recipe: 5.4% abv; brown,
crystal and chocolate malts; Fuggles hops.   I'm wondering if brown
malt is the key ingredient, and how much is necessary for a successful
clone recipe.  My LHBS carries a British brown malt I have not tried
yet; I experimented with toasting my own and most definitely disliked
the results.   My initial recipe thoughts are to use 85% pale, 7%
brown, 3% dark crystal (120L) and 5% chocolate, OG about 1.055, mash
at 152F, Fuggles for about 35 IBU, another ounce at knock out.

 Any thoughts on this proposed recipe, and how you think it might
compare to the real deal?  Have you brewed a respectable version
yourself, and how similar to FLP was it?   I found zero useful
guidance in the archives.  What about an appropriate yeast?  Wyeast
1968 and WLP 002 are supposedly from Fullers, but I find them both to
result in much more fruity flavors than I find in Fullers ales, even
when fermented at cooler temperatures.

Cheers,

Greg in Chicago



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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 23:07:33 -0400
From: Alexandre Enkerli <enkerli at gmail.com>
Subject: Unfermented Wort (was: malta)

Dave Clark asked about malta and Jon Griffin provided clone recipes. Thanks!

Similar drinks are quite popular outside Latin America and the 
Carribeans. For instance, Royal Unibrew's Vitamalt (from Denmark) is 
easily available in several parts of Mali. Some versions are unhopped, IIRC.
The basic idea of unfermented wort as a soft drink has given us some 
interesting drinks. Ginger "ale," kvas, and other drinks mentioned by 
Randy Mosher in his /Radical/ book. Maybe there should be a BJCP 
category for unfermented drinks? ;-)
IMHO, some grains really work well for unfermented wort. Recently made a 
batch with Vienna, Munich, Special B, and Crystal 80 malts (no pale 
malt) along with some kamult and spelt flakes. The wort itself was 
really delicious!

The challenge seems to be to carbonate such drinks without causing 
bottle bombs and without taking up a whole keg.
Jon, what did you do to achieve some carbonation? Did it remain constant 
for a while or did you have to consume the thing before it became overly 
carbonated?

Cheers!

Alexandre (Ale-X) in Montreal
http://enkerli.wordpress.com/




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Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 12:00:13 +0000
From: "A.J deLange" <ajdel at cox.net>
Subject: Efficiency Calculation

I don't see too much of a problem with Jason's measurements. Thirty 
litres of wort at 1.060 weighs 31.8 kg and as it is 14.74P contains 
0.1474*31.8 = 4.687 kg extract. The total fermentables weighed 12.5 lbs 
which is 5.68 kg. Thus the mash was, overall,  4.68/5.69 = 82% 
efficient. Granted this is the kind of efficiency one would expect from 
Anheuser Busch as opposed to a home brewer and is probably optimistic 
but not totally outside the realm of belief.

A.J.


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Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 10:11:43 -0500
From: "Susan Ruud" <susan.ruud at ndsu.edu>
Subject: AHA election results

The AHA election results are in with 531 votes this year - up from 479 last
year.

The newly elected candidates are:

Gordon Strong
Curt Stock
Denny Conn
Bev Blackwood

I would like to congratulate them and welcome them to the Governing
Committee for the next 3 years.  I also want to thank outgoing candidates -
Dave Dixon and Alberta Rager for the service that they have done for the AHA
since being elected to the board.

Susan Ruud
AHA Governing Committee Secretary




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Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 12:47:40 -0230
From: "Jason Edwards" <jedwards2 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Looking for PPG for unusual Adjuncts

So, it seems that either the weight of the grist, or the volume, or the
gravity measurement was wrong.

The numbers quoted by Dyaln are the ones I received.  I have double
checked all of the above(scales, liquid and hydrometre) so the only
conclusion I can draw is that the numbers for the flour or other
adjuncts must be off.

FWIW, I crush all my grain using a plain old blender. I have done so
for the 20+ All Grain batches I have done since last summer (I average
3 brews a month, sometimes more)at an average grain bill of 10-12 lbs,
that's over 200 lbs of malt, wheat and other adjuncts that the blender
has processed for me. I haven't had any problems to date with
astringency or tannins, knock on wood.

 Anyways, here is a picture of the crush I get with the blender

http://www.bodensatz.com/gallery/Brewing/Crush_till_your_scared

If you look here you will see all the stuff that the grain-bed
captured and prevented from ending up in the wort. The smooth looking
material is about 2 inches thick and underneath it is about a foot or
more of grain that has been washed clean, which leads me to believe
that notwithstanding everything you hear about don't crush to fine, my
real find crush/grind is working as an effective filter.

http//www.bodensatz.com/gallery/Brewing/Drained_MLT_spent_grain

I am almost embarrassed to show my system, but it works real well and
has been producing an average efficiency of about 85%.  You can see it
here:

http://www.bodensatz.com/gallery/Jason3384

So if I wasn't off on the measuring of grain and water, and my
hydrometre is ok, then I must be off on my PPG numbers so anything you
guys can do would be fantastic. Oh well, the search continues.  Cheers

J



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Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 11:28:38 -0600
From: "Janis Gross" <janis at brewersassociation.org>
Subject: National Homebrew Day and Big Brew

Hi everyone,
National Homebrew Day is Saturday May 6th this year.  Big Brew is our way to
celebrate the day with thousands of homebrewers, friends, and beer
enthusiasts around the world!  To learn about Big Brew, go to
http://www.beertown.org/events/bigbrew/index.html.

This year, we have three special recipes for Big Brew: Poor Richard's Ale,
Summer Kolsch, and a third recipe (soon to be posted) we're calling Fred's
Birthday Beer.  To view the recipes go to
http://www.beertown.org/events/bigbrew/recipes.html.  

You can register your Big Brew site, or look up the current Big Brew sites to
find one near you.  To register your site, go to:
http://www.beertown.org/events/bigbrew/bbreg.aspx.  Invite friends and
neighbors, homebrewers and beer enthusiasts to meet at your site to brew,
enjoy homebrew, and celebrate the day!  To find a site near you, go to:
http://www.beertown.org/events/bigbrew/Bigbrewselect.aspx. 

Wherever you find yourself at noon Central time zone on May 6th, raise a
glass in a simultaneous toast to homebrewing and homebrewers.  

Happy Homebrewing!

Cheers!
	Janis

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American Homebrewers Association
736 Pearl St.
Boulder, CO 80302
(303) 447-0816 x134
<janis at brewersassociation.org>
www.beertown.org 




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Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 13:53:13 -0400
From: "Mark E. Hogenmiller" <mehogenmiller at cox.net>
Subject: DC/VA/MD Homebrewers - Spirit of Free Beer Announcement

Less than a month to go!

Plan now to enter the Brewers United for Real Potable's (BURP) Fourteenth 
Annual Spirit of Free Beer (SoFB)competition.

- -- The deadline for entries to be submitted is Friday, 5 May 2006.

- -- The competition will be held on Saturday, 13 May 2006 at the Old Dominion 
Brewing Company in Ashburn, Virginia.

The Details

The SoFB competition is open to all homebrewers and will judge all BJCP/AHA 
sanctioned styles including Meads and Ciders.  The SoFB competition is
judged by experienced BJCP certified judges.  The SoFB prides itself on the 
quality of the comments made and prizes that are awarded.

In addition Spirit of Free Beer is a qualifying event for Masters 
Championship of Amateur Brewing MCAB IX 2006.

Information (Drop-off locations, online registration, judge and steward 
information and more) is posted to the Spirit of Free Beer website at
http://www.burp.org or  http://burp.burp.org/Default.aspx?tabid=437

Mark Hogenmiller
SoFB Publicity Minister
Washington DC, Virginia, Maryland

1981 - 2006 Brewers United for Real Potables (BURP) Silver Anniversary -
25 Years and Going Strong



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Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 17:24:54 -0400
From: Fred L Johnson <FLJohnson52 at nc.rr.com>
Subject: Hop vines

This is my first year to grow hops, and I'll be training the shoots 
onto jute twine going up the south side of my house. Is it OK to train 
two shoots from a single plant onto a single line of jute? Or must each 
shoot have its own line on which to grow?

Fred L Johnson
Apex, North Carolina, USA



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Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 20:41:18 -0400
From: Jeff Renner <jsrenner at umich.edu>
Subject: Re: Serial Mash for Maize

stencil <etcs.ret at verizon.net> "sends" from 535.2mi, 86.4deg] AR:
>
> near as I can tell there's no substitute
> boiling if you want to use corn or rice (or wheat, says Eric Warner)

and did a cereal mash of

>  4.5# Weyermann Pilsener,
> 3# Quaker Quick Grits, 4oz Quaker Quick Oats

Actually, with quick grits and quick oats, I don't think boiling was  
necessary.  I think (but I'm not certain) that they are already  
gelatinized.  I certainly just throw quick oats into the mash straight.

Just a side note - you could get along with far less malt in the  
cereal mash, too.  About 30% will do.

But it looks like a nice summer beer regardless.

Jeff
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Jeff Renner in Ann Arbor, Michigan USA, jsrennerATumichDOTedu
"One never knows, do one?"  Fats Waller, American Musician, 1904-1943


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