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Contents:
  Re: baking yeast (David Scheidt)
  Re: Rye Hefe ("Craig S. Cottingham")
  Re: Rye Hefe (Denny Conn)
  Shipping Homebrew, use Ship 'N Store boxes, yeah (Scott/Linda Bruslind)" <analabor@peak.org>


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Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 03:21:42 -0500
From: David Scheidt <dscheidt at panix.com>
Subject: Re: baking yeast

> Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 09:30:17 -0800
> From: "Matt Wallace" <dubious.chewy at gmail.com>
> Subject: behold the starch-busting power of...yeast?
> 
> Hello HBDers,
> 
> So I've recently baked my first few loaves of yeast bread (btw, I
> highly suggest the no-knead bread recipe that was flying around the
> internet a year or so ago- it's a beautiful thing).
> 
> It is my understanding that the beauty of a nice crusty loaf is the
> result of fermentation by saccharomyces cerevsiae...just like in beer.
>  But where's the sugar?  One passage in a baking book I've read (The
> King Arthur Flour Baker's Companion) says there's no need to add sugar
> to your bread dough, because the yeast can break down enough starches
> themselves to fuel a nice rise and develop flavor.  To what extent
> does this go on in beer fermentation?  Do the yeast have their own
> starch busting enzymes?  Could a very generous pitch balance out a
> high or low temperature mash?

While the yeast used for baking bread and brewing beer are the same
species, they're very different beasties.  They're both bred specifically
for their intended purpose, and do that very well.  They do poorly at
other things.  There are a number of traits that baking yeasts have been
bred for: activity, temperature insensitivity, tolerance to dehydration,
and the ability to go after starches are the most interesting to the home
baker.

With a good modern yeast -- and any packaged yeast sold comerecially
in the US is pretty good -- there's no need to have any sugar at all.
They'll decompose the starch themselves.

I'm a fan of instant dried yeasts, which are sold in the supermarket
as bread machine or "Rapid-Rise" yeast.  Yeast plant for yeast plant,
they're no more active than any other yeast, but they're denser, so there
are more of them per teaspoon.  They're also somewhat more likely to
be alive than active dry yeast, so by mass you get a bit more yeast.
Control for that, and they're no more rapid than other yeast.  They're
big advantage for me, and the typical home baker, is their ease of use.
There's no need to rehyrdrate them before use; mix them in the flour, and
you're set.  They've also got a long shelf life: two years in an unopened
package at room temperature, much longer in a freezer.  If you're at all
serious about baking, buy it in bulk.  I can get two pounds of IDY at
Sam's for about $4.  My grocery store wants $8 for a four ounce jar.

As for no knead breads go, I'm not impressed by the one that was in NYT a
year or so ago.  It's something of a forgotten fact that any dough with
suffeicently high hydration, will develop the gluten, if allowed to set
for a long enough time.  It was only with the invention of the mechanical
mixer that kneading to develop the gluten became the universal way of
making bread.  It saves time and space, and so money.


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Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 11:37:04 -0600
From: "Craig S. Cottingham" <craig.cottingham at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Rye Hefe

On Dec 31, 2007, at 06:05, leavitdg at plattsburgh.edu wrote:

> I recently put 2 lb of rye with 4 lb of wheat, and 4 lb of 2 row  
> base pale malt,
> and wonder how much more one could use and still get it converted?   
> Perhaps I
> could increase the rye, and decrease the wheat?  But how far could  
> one go
> before these were not converted?


If you're worried about having enough enzymes on hand to convert the  
mash, you could always try swapping some or all of the 2-row with 6- 
row malt. With all that wheat, I don't think you'd notice the extra  
protein.

- --
Craig S. Cottingham
craig.cottingham at gmail.com





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Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 09:41:00 -0800
From: Denny Conn <denny at projectoneaudio.com>
Subject: Re: Rye Hefe

Hi Darrell,

If you're using rye malt, you should have no worries about conversion. 
I haven't run across any rye malt that doesn't have at least enough 
diastatic power to convert itself.  So you don't have to worry about 
having enough pale malt to covert the rye.

	--------->Denny
- -- 

Life begins at 60....1.060, that is!


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Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 14:23:19 -0800
From: "Analysis_Lab (Scott/Linda Bruslind)" <analabor at peak.org>
Subject: Shipping Homebrew, use Ship 'N Store boxes, yeah

Our business depends on brewers being able to send us finished beer 
samples, and it's kind of dicey regarding the private carriers.  I've 
had conversations with UPS reps where they state, unequivocally, that no 
alcohol is to be tendered for transport by them.  Yet, my driver is OK 
with it as he drops boxes off, everyday.  It could be a 'don't ask, 
don't tell,' state of mind.  FedEx and DHL have always been cooler about 
beer shipments, and FedEx Ground is the lowest price carrier in the 5-50 
pound parcel range.  I think all the carriers have been in some kind of 
legal trouble regarding abetting delivery of alcohol to minors, and 
UPS's stated policy is a predictable overreaction. 
If you ship beer, we have some tips.  Some of them are covered on our 
website under 'logistics'
**http://www.analysislaboratory.com/index.php?page=logistics
We like to see plastic in our lab, for safety reasons; but, you're 
likely to want to send glass.  So, we submit for your consideration the 
benefits of 'foam in a box' shipping cartons.  We buy/send to our 
customers 12 pack 'Ship N Store' kits from California Glass.
http://www.calglass-pcc.com/catalog/index.htm
The styro insert is around $4.50/ea and the cardboard goes for about a 
buck.  We reuse the heck out them, 2-3 cycles for the cardboard and more 
for the foam.  There is a laydown style that works for 22oz bottles 
(made for 750ml wine bottles.)
With a $500 minimum order  it's a good project for a club.  Other 
distributors must be nationwide, but I've never inquired.  We see some 
slightly different boxes coming from brewers in Nashville and Florida , 
so somebody else is making them besides Cal-glass/Saxco.
Seems like a little too much time/effort spent extolling the virtues of 
the 'Ship 'N Store?'  We've never seen anything better.
Happy New Year,
Scott Bruslind
Lebanon, OR 97355
(1938, 288 AR)


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