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Contents:
  Cloning Saison Dupont ("Josh Knarr")
  Lead in glass carboys... (drsmith)
  Lead in Carboys ("Amos Brooks")
  The cost of brewing ("LANCE HARBISON")


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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:00:47 -0400
From: "Josh Knarr" <josh.knarr at gmail.com>
Subject: Cloning Saison Dupont

All,

I have discovered the wonders of farmhouse funk. I really enjoyed the
Saison Dupont, the one in Clone Brews is lacking in the funk category.
I said, "Man, this would do really well as a pumpkin beer". It's only
been recently that PA seems to have relaxed it's beer and liquor laws
and we're starting to get individual sixpacks and bottles of high end
stuff sold in grocery stores. (Troegs was still under "imports" in
Drexel Hill's Fresh Grocer, I left the manager a note).

Question - How do I clone the yeast? I understand it's yeast + some
brett, is it sufficient to use two tablespoons of table sugar and
refill the bottle with water?

Thanks
Josh


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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 12:44:35 -0400
From: drsmith <hbd at aperature.org>
Subject: Lead in glass carboys...

> Not so fast !  There were tests reported a number of years ago in  
> Wine Spectator magazine and the acid in wine will extract a  
> considerable amount of lead from a "lead glass" decanter.  They  
> suggest - and I agree that you should never use lead glass for food  
> or beverage.

I have a lead test kit from a hardware store laying around here  
somewhere.  If I can find it, I'll see about testing the external side  
of a 3 gallon glass carboy I have and report back.  Since lead in the  
presence of an acid seems to be of interest, I'll test it twice - once  
with the dry glass and once with a surface that's been exposed to  
white vinegar for a period of time.  I'm also sure that all of my  
glass carboys came from Mexico - I've never seen one around here that  
was marked as coming from any other country.

- --Darrin
   Rochester, NY


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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 20:44:37 -0400
From: "Amos Brooks" <amosbrooks at gmail.com>
Subject: Lead in Carboys

Hi,
   I agree there is a concern here. If there is a possibility of a
lead contamination, why would you use it. How much do we spend on
sanitizers and water treatments just to make sure there is no
possibility of a contamination? Should we not do the same for rather
dangerous chemical contaminants in our equipment. It's really a no
brainer as I see it. It is unlikely that you will get enough lead into
solution to test by testing a solvent in the carboy for a few minutes.
There are some off the shelf test kits that you could try. Many are
simple swab tests. Not having used them I can't really avouch for how
well they work, but I'd be interested in trying it to see. Check out
the link for a description of the type of product I'm describing.

www. amazon. com/gp/product/B000E3DX0C/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

BTW: I inserted a space after www and before the com in that link
because I have been the victim of the overzealous html bouncing on
this list... not wanting overly formatted messages is one thing, but
this is ridiculous!

Amos


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Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:31:25 -0500
From: "LANCE HARBISON" <harbison65 at verizon.net>
Subject: The cost of brewing

I was rather shocked that Dave Larsen does not find homebrewing economical. 
I was in his backyard of Tucson in May.  I went to a bottle shop and a 
6-pack of Stone (as well as everything else there) cost $10.  Holy crap!  My 
last batch of 20 gallons cost me about $100.  Now granted, I built all of my 
equipment except for a Chillzilla and my second grain mill, so my 6-pack 
cost of $3.12 seems very reasonable to me.

Lance Harbison
Pittsburgh 




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