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Contents:
  Re: Does dry hopping add flavor? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED] ("Williams, Rowan")
  fresh hops (Chris Williams)
  RE: Does dry hopping add flavor? (Matt Wallace)


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Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 14:37:54 +1000
From: "Williams, Rowan" <Rowan.Williams at ag.gov.au>
Subject: Re: Does dry hopping add flavor? [SEC=UNCLASSIFIED]

Hi Jim,
Dry hopping certainly does add flavour.  IMO, certain hops are better suited to this task than others.

A favourite dry hop I like to use in my APA's is Simcoe.  I use large sanitised stainless steel teaballs / herb holders and drop them in the keg with the desired quantity of dry hops when I keg the beer to give me a fresh hop flavour hit.  More a "depthcharge" than a "torpedo" to pinch a Sierra Nevada phrase!!

I find this an easy way to make use of my home grown hops - no need to try to guess their bittering potential when you use them for flavouring and aroma!

Cheers,
Rowan Williams
Canberra Brewers Club, Australia

[9588.6, 261.5] AR (statute miles)
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Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 23:03:00 -0700
From: Chris Williams <chwilliams at gmail.com>
Subject: fresh hops

couple of things to share... first, found this at
http://www.probrewer.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=14949

"""
Hop Harvest is well under way, unfortunately the “long” market
conditions for Willamettes and the fair yield puts us in a unique
position. We have picked all the Willamette’s we need to fulfill our
obligations but still have 30 acres on trellis. We have decided to
offer these fresh hops to Brewers in our area.

That’s Right, Fresh Hops, No Charge, You Pick.

For details contact
Roy Farms
Moxee, WA
509-452-3494
"""

second, picked up some fresh Cascade from Hop Union in Yakima today,
they're selling directly to homebrewers and they said they'll have
more varieties next week. they're _really_ wet


Disclaimer: i'm not associated with either of these organizations in
any way, shape, or form, just a Northwest homebrewer with a itch for
fresh hops :)



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Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 09:28:27 -0700
From: Matt Wallace <dubious.chewy at gmail.com>
Subject: RE: Does dry hopping add flavor?

We've got 5 tastes:  salty, sweet, sour, savory/umami, and most
important for this discussion, bitter.  It's my understanding that
everything else is. in fact, aroma.  Flavor=taste+aromatics.  So,
yeah, dry hops add flavor, because they change the taste+aromatics
equation.  But, I don't think they add much in the way of bitterness.
(Here's where my expertise ends, though.  It's my very limited
understanding that the various hop acids need to be isomerized to add
bitterness, and that doesn't really happen sitting around in beer at
room/fridge temp)

Ok, so this raises a question I've had in the back of my mind for a
bit.  What the heck are "flavor hops", anyway?   So many recipes call
for a 15 minute "flavor hop" addition.  Is it anyone's experience that
you actually get a different/improved character from this practice, vs
more hops at the start of the boil and more hops at flameout or in
secondary?  Undoubtedly, this question has been hashed out on the HBD
before, but I wonder if there's some fun in having the discussion.

Matt in Oregon


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