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Contents:
  Black IPA info request ("Grant")
  more brew mags ("Mark E. Perkins")
  2010 Coconut Cup (Scott Graham)
  RE: Getting rid of malt moths ("David Houseman")
  Re: Getting rid of malt moths ("Craig S. Cottingham")
  Re:Malt Moths (Biz Bisard)


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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 16:57:00 +1100
From: "Grant" <gstott1 at ncable.net.au>
Subject: Black IPA info request

Greetings Beerlings,
                    A good friend of mine is currently in Portland Oregon
for work & has informed me that Black IPA is an emerging style around those
parts.
He suggested we try brewing one when he gets back.

As I have no real info to go on I would like to enlist your help in
formulating the grain bil.
Should include Roast Barley, Chocolate malt or simply some black malt,
I assume the hopping is as per typical Pacific Northwest IPA.

So many beers so little time.

Regards,
              Grant Stott
              Geelong, Vic.
              Australia




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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 06:08:37 -0500
From: "Mark E. Perkins" <perkinsm at bway.net>
Subject: more brew mags

I also have a pile of brew mags...  Free.  See my ad in the flea market
(<http://homebrewfleamarket.com >).



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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 07:13:08 -0500 (EST)
From: Scott Graham <grahams at cs.fiu.edu>
Subject: 2010 Coconut Cup

Greetings from the members of the Miami Area Society of Homebrewers (MASH) 
in Miami, FL.

It is almost time for this year's Coconut Cup homebrew competition. We are 
accepting all of the BJCP categories, as well as our special COCONUT BREW 
category.

Entries are due between February 22nd and March 5th, 2010. Please use the 
on-line entry form available at the Coconut Cup website, 
http://www.miami-homebrew.org/coconut.html .

Final judging will take place on March 12th and 13th. Please contact me if 
you are interested in judging. We will have some fun activities planned 
for out-of-town judges.

I hope to see you (or at least your beers and meads) in Miami!

Scott Graham
Coconut Cup Judge Coordinator
[1159.9, 169.3] Apparent Rennerian



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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:28:17 -0500
From: "David Houseman" <david.houseman at verizon.net>
Subject: RE: Getting rid of malt moths

Greg,

I've had bugs in malt before.  I can't say what they were but more of a 
weevil than a moth.  Freezing is what did the trick for me.   Here's what I 
did.   I put the sack of malt into my chest freezer I use for lagering. 
But this time on freezing.   Left this for a week.   I took out the sack and 
used a colander to sift the malt, getting rid of a lot of dead bugs, eggs, 
flour.   The malt wasn't in too bad shape so I put it into gallon ziploc 
bags.   After a week I put these into the freezer.   There will be eggs that 
hatch so then freezing killed what hatched and before they were reproducing. 
This seemed to work well.   When I used the malt I used a bit more to make 
up for the bug losses.   It made good beer.  Up to you to do a protein rest 
or not :-)).    If the insects have eaten too much of the starch, just toss 
the malt.

Good luck,

Dave Houseman



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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:29:08 -0600
From: "Craig S. Cottingham" <craig.cottingham at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Getting rid of malt moths

On Feb 11, 2010, at 11:21:56 +1100, R"Greg 'groggy' Lehey" <grog at  
lemis.com> wrote:

> Recently I've found a large number of moths in my grain, both malt and
> flour.  I'm told that they're Indian grain moths (or flies), and
> clearly they're where they love to be.  Take a look at
> http://www.lemis.com/grog/Albums/Indian-grain-moth.php for what they
> look like.
>
> I can't imagine I'm the first person to run into this problem.  How do
> I get rid of them?  I've been told to fill the containers with carbon
> dioxide, but it's not clear how well that will work, especially since
> the containers aren't hermetically sealed.  Will freezing help?


Yes, freezing will help. I used to buy whole grains in bulk from a  
health food store and occasionally had a problem with, ahem,  
additional protein. Storing the grains in the freezer kept the  
insects from reproducing.

You shouldn't need a hermetically sealed container for CO2 to work;  
it just has to be reasonably airtight, especially along the bottom  
(since CO2 is heavier than air). All you have to do is displace  
enough oxygen from the air entrained in the grains to drive it below  
the level of viability for the insects.

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Craig S. Cottingham
craig.cottingham at gmail.com
BJCP Certified Judge in Olathe, KS, USA
+1-913-826-6896 or Skype me at CraigCottingham



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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 10:36:22 -0500
From: Biz Bisard <mrbiz at torchlake.com>
Subject: Re:Malt Moths

Greg Lehey wrote:

Recently I've found a large number of moths in my grain, both malt and
flour.  I'm told that they're Indian grain moths (or flies), and
clearly they're where they love to be.  Take a look at
http://www.lemis.com/grog/Albums/Indian-grain-moth.php  for what they
look like.

I can't imagine I'm the first person to run into this problem.  How do
I get rid of them?  I've been told to fill the containers with carbon
dioxide, but it's not clear how well that will work, especially since
the containers aren't hermetically sealed.  Will freezing help?


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I respond:

This may (or not) help: In all my containers of various grains (rice, 
flour, rolled grains, etc.) I put a few bay leaves. This works to keep 
out many critters. It sure can't hurt to try.

 -Biz Bisard
Kalkaska County MI 49646-9047
(no apparent Rennerian coordinates, sorry!)




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