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Contents:
  RE: Weld less Fittings ("Keith Christian")
  RE: Weldless fittings and cleaning (Calvin Perilloux)


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Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 04:39:56 -0700
From: "Keith Christian" <keithchristian at roadrunner.com>
Subject: RE: Weld less Fittings

Hi John,

I am not dead set on using SS fittings.  I have brass ball valves and
nipples else where in my brewing setup.  Thanks for the links...

I understand the difference between cleaning and sanitizing.  The problem is
that I have never used PBW or Antillean.  I have used Bar Keepers Friend a
week before brewing and then I would use Starsan to sanitize.  I had heard
that Bar Keepers Friend removed  a protective layer and it needed to oxidize
before being used.  Since I had not used PBW and I did not see anything on
the label about letting the equipment set for a few days before use, I
thought I would ask if it was necessary.  BTW, Santiclean was much easier to
use than Starsan.  I would always boil a couple cups of water to pour into
the carboy or keg to help get the bubbles left behind.  

Is Santiclean a  good sanitizer?  Or is it more of a wash to follow up with
after PBW?

Thanks for the reply.

Keith
		

- -----Original Message-----
From: John W. Zeller [mailto:jwzell at cincic.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2011 8:58 PM
To: keithchristian at roadrunner.com
Subject: Weldless Fittings


Hi Keith,

Yes, you can use weldless fittings on your kettle.  Look here for kits:

http://www.northernbrewer.com/brewing/brewing-equipment/pumps-and-plumbing/w
eldless-valve-kits

You could also get just the bulkhead fitting and buy the valve locally.

I would go with the bronze valve and same some money.  There is nothing 
wrong with using bronze or brass.  I use it a lot.  You can piece 
together your own weldless bulkhead fitting, but all said and done it 
won't be a lot cheaper.  I have the McMaster-Carr part numbers if you 
want to order the individual parts.  Except for the brass valve, the 
other parts are ususally hard to find locally.  Home Depot or Lowe's 
won't have most of the stuff like SS washers the correct size and 
silicone o-rings.

Don't confuse cleaning with sanitizing.  You only really need to 
sanitize equipment that will contact your beer after the boil.  
Pre-boil, just make sure it's clean as you would any other cookware.  
PBW is a good product, but it's also on the expensive side.  Bar 
Keeper's Friend works very well for cleaning kettles etc.  I use 
Oxiclean for fermenters, hoses, corny kegs, hoses, funnels etc.  I use 
Star San for santizing the fermenters and other post boil equipment.  
Star San is economical and safe to use.  It is very harmless stuff and 
an effective sanitizer.  A small bottle will last you all year.

Hope this is of some help and good luck with your brewing.  Please ask 
more questions.  The forum needs more action.  Any kind of action at all 
would do. :-[

 -john zeller
cincinnati, ohio






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Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 11:30:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Calvin Perilloux <calvinperilloux at yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Weldless fittings and cleaning

Hi Keith,

Regarding the keg cleaning routine you ask about,
PBW followed by Saniclean should work fine.  You can 
clean with PBW anytime, but to sanitise with Saniclean, 
it is usually best done right before use.

Question:  You mention that you want 1/2" fittings on 
the inside and outside of a keg -- do you mean as a keg
that will be converted to a kettle, or a keg that is 
still in use for pressure dispense?

If it's still being used as a pressure vessel, weldless
is not a good way to go unless you are talking about 
real ale that stays chilled and NEVER goes above VERY 
VERY modest pressures.  Even welded fittings could 
to some extent reduce the maximum pressure capacity 
of a keg, depending on where you actually place the 
fittings.

Calvin Perilloux
Middletown, Maryland, USA


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