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Contents:
  RE: Weldless fittings and cleaning (Saniclean, Starsan) ("Keith Christian")


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Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 19:27:12 -0700
From: "Keith Christian" <keithchristian at roadrunner.com>
Subject: RE: Weldless fittings and cleaning (Saniclean, Starsan)

Hi Calvin,

It has been over a year since I had brewed last.  My brewing kegs, carboys,
and Cornie Kegs all need cleaning.  While at the brewing supply, there was
PBW and Saniclean.  I had used the StarSan for years and looked for it.  All
they had available was the Saniclean.  The shop owner said that Saniclean
did not foam up as much as the StarSan and that sounded great. But I was a
bit concerned about it being a sanitizer.  That was the reason for my
question/post.



I love the fact that the Saniclean did not foam up.  That is a great idea
for use with the pump.  I usually heat up a pot of water and recirculate it
through my pump and tubing.  Using Saniclean will be easier and it is not
boiling hot!  Less chance for me to get burned while trying to prime the
pump.

I am sold!  My IPA is tasting great and I am back filling my kegs with HB!

BTW, I always screw up on spelling.  I am blind and I try to spell things as
I hear them;-).  I wish product labels were in braille, but I am a bit
stuck.  I appreciate the correction.

Thanks for the reply.  

Keith

- -----Original Message-----
From: Calvin Perilloux [mailto:calvinperilloux at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2011 7:23 AM
To: Homebrew Digest
Cc: Keith Christian
Subject: RE: Weldless fittings and cleaning (Saniclean, Starsan)


Hi Keith,

Form your first note, it wasn't clear whether you were using the keg as a
keg or as a kettle.  Apparently, from other replies, you are using it as a
kettle.  Right?

In that case, as was pointed out, there really is no reason 
at all to sanitize it.  The heat of the boil does that for you.

But on the santizing note:  You mean Saniclean, not "Santiclean". And
Saniclean is fine sanitizer.  It is quite close to Starsan in its action and
effectiveness.  They both use dodecylbenzene- sulfonic acid as the active
ingredient along with other acid(s) for pH control (and a few other things).


The good thing about Saniclean is that it doesn't foam the 
way Starsan does, so it is much better for use on pump-driven 
(CIP) systems.  I like it as well for carboys because of the lack of foam,
though it's actually fine to rack into a foamy Starsan carboy; the small
amount of Starsan does not affect 
flavor, head retention, or fermentation in any way.  (On that 
latter point, Starsan doesn't hurt yeast or bacteria at all when the pH is
above 3.0 or thereabouts.)

The bad thing about Saniclean is cosmetic:  Lots of homebrewers 
really dislike the brown, almost oily color!  That's just a 
cosmetic thing, though.  And for homebrewers, I think Starsan 
might be slightly cheaper on a per-mixed-gallon basis.

Saniclean and Starsan are good post-PBW rinses, of course,
due to their acid content.  If you have a *lot* of PBW left 
in the system, that wouldn't be good because the pH after 
mixing could rise too high for effective sanitation, so 
make sure to clear almost all the PBW out of your lines
before the rinse if sanitizing is your goal.

Calvin Perilloux
Middletown, Maryland, USA



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