HOMEBREW Digest #661 Tue 18 June 1991

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		Rob Gardner, Digest Coordinator

  Manchester; All-grain vs. Extract (BAUGHMANKR)
  Aass Jubilee (TSAMSEL)
  Starting a micro-micro-brewery. (IOCONNOR)
  Processing Homegrown Hops (John Mireley|xxxxxx)
  beer bellies & exercise (pmh)
  CatUs Meow (Charles Anderson)
  Cloudy mash -and- Who is Miller? (Desmond Mottram)
  Re:  Homebrew Digest #660 (June 17, 1991) ("David E. Husk")
  re: beer and health (Brian Bliss)
  Re:  Miller Genuine Draft (lg562)
  Sucrose to Invert? (Brian D. Moore)
  Bellies and Beer (Tom Dimock)
  Cholesterol, Strawberries, Brew Bags (hersh)
  AHA Conference (Marty Rowe)
  Weizen Beer (Doug Dreger)
  The ol' cleanliness demon... (Ron Rader)
  Personal Address Correction (MIKE LIGAS)

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---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 15 Jun 1991 12:27 EST From: BAUGHMANKR at CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU Subject: Manchester; All-grain vs. Extract For those of you planning to go to Manchester, why don't we all try to get together at some point during the conference and drink a few beers face to face without these computer terminals in the way?! You can all find me at the equipment expo. Dave Wills of Freshops and I will have a table dis- playing our product lines. I'll be the tall, skinny, 6'8" guy with curly hair. All Longnecks, Stubbies, and everyone in between are encouraged to stop by and say hello. My two cents on the extract vs. grain discussion: I started out in extracts. Then became a strictly all-grain brewer for years. Now I "go both ways". For lagers and light ales, I prefer all-grain because the flavors are more subtle and are easier to control if I mash. But for heavy porters, stouts, and barley wines, I now just use a light malt extract for the fermentables and steep crystal, chocolate, dextrin malts or roasted barley for flavor, depending on the recipe. I've found that the darker malts over-power any residual extract tang that might be present in the kit and gives me a full-bodied, robust beer in less time than it takes to mash. See ya'll at the conference. Kinney Baughman : Beer is my business and baughmankr at conrad.appstate.edu : I'm late for work. Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1991 7:18:46 -0400 (EDT) From: TSAMSEL at ISDRES.ER.USGS.GOV Subject: Aass Jubilee Saturday at our brewclub meeting some one brought some of the Aass Jubilee. It is great. No one had ever had any beer quite like this. (If they made a breakfast cereal that tasted like that, even my kids would eat it). Any ideas on the recipe that give it that granola-ish flavor? Ted Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1991 8:15:36 EDT From: IOCONNOR at SUNRISE.ACS.SYR.EDU Subject: Starting a micro-micro-brewery. Right now I dont have the talent, the time or the money, but a friend and I want to start a micri-micro-brewery. By that I mean a smaill operation, basically for one place and for some bars. I want to gather information now--so we'll be ready when we want to start. What I'd like: 1) What are the legal requirements Federal wise and state wise (New York) 2) How about health department wise? 3) Where do people get supplies for a micro-micro? For example, bottles, *large* brewpots, fermenters and the like? I'd love to hear from people who have started a micro--do's donts and other helpful advice. Thank you in advance. Kieran O'Connor IOCONNOR at SUNRISE (bitnet) IOCONNOR at SUNRISE.ACS.SYR.EDU (internet) PS Syracuse had an earthquake this morning! 3.9 on the richter. I slept through it but my wife says she felt it--she thought our waterbed would break and kill the people below us. Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 91 08:39:02 EDT From: John Mireley|xxxxxx <mireley at horus.cem.msu.edu> Subject: Processing Homegrown Hops I just learned that a friend of mine has hops growing in his garden. They were obtained from Oregon or Washington by a friend of his that did not have a place to plant them. They have been unattended for a couple of years. Is there a good source of information on taking care of and processing hop plants? Is it worth the effort? How do I go about determining what type they are? John Mireley Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 91 09:12:42 EDT From: pmh at media-lab.media.mit.edu Subject: beer bellies & exercise It seems obvious to me that the size of one's beer belly is inversley related to the amout of excercise undertaken. When I was a student at Oxford I drank upwards of 8 pints of real ale a night but because I was rowing 2-3 hours a day I never got much of a belly. Nowadays, I don't drink nearly as much as I used to (and the beer's not as good or as fattening), but because I don't exercise as much, I'm starting to look like I'm expecting. Time to get back in a boat or something cause I'm not stopping the beer intake! ------------------------------------ Paul Hubel USQUE AD MORTEM BIBENDUM ------------------------------------ You better start drinking or I'm gonna leave. -J.Walsh ------------------------------------ Return to table of contents
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 1991 17:07:51 -0500 From: caa at com2serv.c2s.mn.org (Charles Anderson) Subject: CatUs Meow I'm sort of a novice homebrewer, I've made a few batches that have turned out pretty good, and I've made some mead that preliminary indications show should taste pretty damn good even if the bottles didn't seal tight enough for it to come out sparkling like it should be (it's mildly fizzy). But now I'd like to try some partial mashes and do some full grain mashes. I was wondering about grain mills I've tried the bowling pin craking method for some speciality grains that I've added to some of my extract brews along with using a mortar & pestle but the latter creates too much dust, the former is a pain in the a**. I've got a catalog from Great fermentations that has a grain mill listed at 49.95 but it doesn't say what type of mill this is...does anyone know? Is it a Corona Grain mill, if not is it better than the Corona. Also on the lookout for Cheap extract & grains, I recently got a catalog (of sorts) from Green Acres it has 58lp pails of Briess extracts listed at $82.80 this comes out to $1.42 per pound add shipping and it'l be around $1.60 this extract comes in (what they call) brewers gold, sparkling amber, traditional dark, and Bavarian wheat. They also seem to have pretty good prices on grains at about $1 a pound for the 20lb range and $.80 for the 50lb range (actual range is from $.62 to $.86 per pound) > BTW, when I printed the PostScript directly from my Unix > machine to the Apple LaserWriter, it came out 'Catus Meow'. When > I transferred to the Mac and printed it out, it came out > properly. Anyone else notice this?" I did notice this it actually came out CatUs Meow, you will also not that just about everyplace in the text that there is supposed to be a ' you get a U. This is because the Mac has outputted (is that a real word?) the code it wants to print the value of the ' (it's actually an accent grave symbol not a right quote) which has a value of 213 which gets the high bit stripped off of it and comes out as 85 which is a capital U. This happens with the copyright symbol too. I posted a short perl script right after the recipe book was made available that converts the charaters with thier high bits set into quoted octal \325 for the above character. Here it is again....if you don't have perl you should get it but if you can't a short C program to do the same thing should be relatively easy to do. (this should all be on one line) perl -e 'while(<>){s/[\200-\377]/sprintf("\\%3o",ord($&))/ge;print;}' recipe-file | lpr Sorry for rambling so. /-Charles-Anderson-\ | caa at c2s.mn.org || caa at midgard.mn.org \------------------/ | Com Squared Systems, voice (612) 452-9522 The rose goes in front | 1285 Corporate Center Drive fax (612) 452-3607 big guy -Crash Davis | Suite 170 | Eagan, MN 55121 (I speak for myself) Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 91 14:53:13 BST From: Desmond Mottram <swindon!des at uunet.UU.NET> Subject: Cloudy mash -and- Who is Miller? > Date: Fri, 14 Jun 91 10:51:09 EDT > From: olson at antares.cs.Virginia.EDU > Subject: sparging -- cloudy runnings > ... > > Then comes the part that gives me trouble -- the sparge. > Miller says to recirculate the first runnings once, then sparge and "let > the clear wort fall into your boiler". Other things I've read call for > you to recirculate until the wort clears. Unfortunately, my worts > never run clear. Last night I recirculated for a full hour, with > ... > - --Tom Olson > > Thomas J. Olson | olson at virginia.edu | Ave color vini clari > Dept. of Computer Science | work: (804) 982-2217 | Ave sapor sine pari > University of Virginia | home: (804) 971-7176 | Tua nos inebriari > Charlottesville, VA 22903 | | Digneris potentia! > I don't think a cloudy sparge is too serious. I've also tried re-circulating this through the grains, and also experienced little improvement. But the resulting beers have cleared perfectly well, and tasted fine. Dave Line in his Big Book of Brewing says never on any account tip the tun at the end of sparging to extract the last part of the mash below the tap, as it is full of gunk and will spoil the beer. I just couldn't bring myself to junk 1/2 gall of potential beer, so I tipped the tun, Sure enough it was full of gunk. I strained it and re-circulated it. It still came out cloudy, so I fermented it anyway. There was nothing wrong with the beer at all! It cleared bright quickly and tasted fine. Can someone say whether this really is inadvisable in their experience, not opinion. I suspect the cause of the cloudiness is powder in the malt. I've had two consecutive batches from the same supplier, one full of powder and one without but with too many whole grains. I don't think the cracking/crushing is as consistent as it should be. I also got widely varying amounts of sugar from these two batches. Far less came out of the batch with too many whole grains, barely 60% extraction. So I'd rather have a bit more powder and more sugar for my money, than a wort that is clear because there is nothing in it. Lastly - this may be sacrelige - but who is Miller? I'm from the UK and have never heard of him. Our brewing gurus are Dave Line and (recently) Graham Wheeler of CAMRA. Can someone please mail me the title of his book(s) with publisher, date and ISBN if possible. Thanks, Desmond Mottram, des at swindon.ingr.com ..uunet!ingr!swindon!d_mottram Return to table of contents
Date: Mon Jun 17 09:48:00 1991 From: "David E. Husk" <deh7g at newton.acc.virginia.edu> Subject: Re: Homebrew Digest #660 (June 17, 1991) Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 91 10:45:29 CDT From: bliss at csrd.uiuc.edu (Brian Bliss) Subject: re: beer and health cjh at vallance.HQ.Ileaf.COM (Chip Hitchcock) writes: > It's arguable that the key to health ... is moderation. assume that you are moderate in everything. you now have excessive moderation, a contradiction. excessiveness is clearly the way to go... bb Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 91 08:23:11 PDT From: lg562 at koshland.pnl.gov Subject: Re: Miller Genuine Draft Date: Fri, 14 Jun 91 10:35:14 -0500 >From: dbreiden at mentor.cc.purdue.edu Last night I wanted something light and thin, so I bummed a Miller GD from my roommate. It's a pretty good beer for when you want an American style beer. Anyhow, I was looking at the label and recalling the stuff I've heard about Miller brewing and the treatment of hops. On the label, the words "No additives or preservatives" are boldy displayed. And of course, the ingredients are not listed, they simply say "Contains malt, hops, yeast, and water. Selective listing indeed. So I was thinking, "If they treat the hops, wouldn't that result in an additive?" That's interesting, because I was "forced" to drink one the other day on a Delta flight (they don't carry any imported beers!). So my parched mouth succumbed to the temptation. One thing I noticed was the head of this beer. They must be adding some sort of heading agent as the head was much more creamy and long lasting than those I'm used to. In fact I thought "Gee this stuff is lingering too long." The foam that did stick to the sides of the cup never did subside, even after the beer was long gone. After that experience I can't imagine there is _only_ malt, hops, yeast, and water in the beer. Michael Bass Molecular Science Research Center, K2-18 Battelle - Pacific Northwest Laboratory Richland, Washington 99352 lg562 at pnl.gov Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 91 11:14:06 CDT From: Brian D. Moore <bemo at spacsun.rice.edu> Subject: Sucrose to Invert? Reading yet another book on winemaking, I have come across a procedure to, supposedly, convert sucrose to invert sugar. I figure posting here would be the quickest way to test/deflate the procedure. "The Winemaker's Companion" by Turner and Berry suggests that it is possible to accomplish the conversion by boiling the sugar with 1 tsp. citric acid, which I suppose is to perform the same conversion as the yeast's 'invertase' enzyme. Does this, in fact, work? It is not mentioned in Berry's more famous work, and the books appear to be equally old. Should this practice be restricted to winemaking, or does the presence of citric acid not affect beerbrewing unduly? Brian Moore CEO Barsoom Brewery Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 91 13:10:05 EDT From: Tom Dimock <RGG at CORNELLC.cit.cornell.edu> Subject: Bellies and Beer If my personal experience is any indication, you can drink more beer at the same time you are reducing both your cholesterol and your "beer belly". A year ago I had a cholesterol count of 220 (not really bad, but needs attention according to my doctor). I have seriously reduced my fat intake, but because I work eight minutes walk from the Chapter House (owned by James and Laurie Clement, who brew four-star beers in their brewery at Vernon Valley, N.J.) I have been drinking more and better beer. This year I am 10 lbs lighter (all off my belly) and my cholesterol is down to 134. So cut out the junk food (and ice cream and chocolate, sigh...), stop worrying, and have a homebrew!! Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 91 13:44:38 EDT From: hersh at expo.lcs.mit.edu Subject: Cholesterol, Strawberries, Brew Bags I am in a similar situation to Ken W., in that I partake of beers on a regular basis (say a pint a night with dinner most nights, more on the weekends), and have an excellent cholesterol level (good ratio, high good, low bad). As for mental acuity, what's that?? :-) On strawberries, I made a strawberry/blueberry mead a while back that I think is just now coming into drinking age. The strawberries can be smelled and also impart a present but not overwhelming flavor. I'll have to double check the recipe, but I recall being surprised that I could taste the strawberries as much as I did, since I did not add an overwhelming amount, however the taste is not that strong overall. Everything I've heard about these Brew Bags is that they are a gimmick. An awful contraption that leads people to believe that they can make beer at home as if it were cake mix, and produces beer that most homebrewers would do a spit take with. All indications are that this is a disservice to homebrewing in that more often than not the quality of the product is so poor as to dissuade people from believing that they can make good beer themselves. CAVEAT: I have never tried these myself, only read a number of reviews by others, so perhaps I'm totally wrong (it happened once before, but fortunately there were no witnesses :-)), but I'm not about to go toss $30 to try it, after all I have lots of homebrewing equipment so I don't need no steenkin bags... JaH Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 91 16:27:05 -0500 From: mar at dvinci.mitre.org (Marty Rowe) Subject: AHA Conference Russ writes: >> Re. Manchester stuff: Well, there isn't really alot. There's the >>Boston Trading Co. bar near the convention center. There's an Irish >>Pub (can't remember the name) that has good tap brews (Guiness, Double >>Diamond, Harp,...). Go about 20 blocks north on Elm st. from the conference >>center, turn right on Bridge St. (after big Numerica bldg.), then turn >>right after 1 (2?) blocks on Kosciouscko (sp?) street. Nearby also is the >>Salty Dog Tavern. I haven't been in there in a long time. It was your >>average Budswiller joint; it may be better now, probably not. In the >>same area is the High 5 restaraunt/hotel. It has a bar at the top, really >>nice view of the city. Recommended for the view. The name of the Irish Pub is The Wild Rover (or is that the Red Rover?). It is on some Greek sounding name that starts with the letter K. Sorry for the vagueness, Manchester is still a foreign town to me. Never been there, but my wife has and she says it is a great place to meet and drink good beer. The description for the Salty Dog is pretty accurate. It is basically a college hangout place. Portsmouth has a new brewpub called the "Portsmouth Brewery." Portsmouth is a seacoast town which is 45 to 60 minutes from Manchester. They had a wheat beer, pale ale, and a brown ale on tap. The wheat and pale ale had a good flavor, though a little cloudy. The brown ale was lacking in taste, I thought. I definitely recommend it, besides Portsmouth is a lot more interesting than Manchester. There are other decent bars and pubs in Portsmouth but I don't remember the names. If you want more information just e-mail me and I'll ask my wife (she is the native). I'll post a summary if there is enough interest. Hurry cuz time is running out. Martin A. Rowe mar at dvinci.mitre.org MITRE Corp. Bedford, MA 01730 Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1991 15:16:00 -0400 From: MIKE LIGAS <LIGAS at SSCvax.CIS.McMaster.CA> Subject: CABA Promo. Due to the encouraging response to my recent posting about the Canadian Amateur Brewers Association (CABA) in which I asked interested brewers to E-mail me directly for information, I have decided to post this letter about the CABA directly to HD. A common question I have been getting is "Can Americans join up?". The answer is a definitive YES. The CABA is much like the AHA in its scope of interest and activities, as the following letter describes. ****************************************************************************** WHAT IS CABA? The Canadian Amateur Brewers Association (CABA) is a non-profit organization whose purpose is to promote homebrewing as an enjoyable hobby through educational publications, events, and other activities. HOW CAN CABA HELP ME? The Canadian Amateur Brewers Association is dedicated to improving the skills and knowledge of its members. Members are invited to participate in the special events organized including the annual conference, frequent competitions and special seminars. HOW LONG HAS CABA BEEN AROUND AND WHAT HAS IT DONE? CABA was started in 1984 as a forum for homebrewers, both novice and experienced, to exchange ideas, skills and their love of homebrewing. Since then annual conferences, competitions and tastings have been organized. CABA produces a newsletter every two months to keep its members informed of recent events, club news, and a members forum which allows members to voice concerns, ask questions and to get answers. CABA has also had mail in competitions, and is at present planning judging training seminars to be part of an ongoing educational program. In October of 1990, the first Board of Directors was elected from the membership. The Board is currently registering the organization as a non-profit group. For less than the savings from a single batch of homebrew, you can enroll in the only national club in Canada which will help you brew better beer. THE BENEFITS OF JOINING CABA Newsletter every two months Annual Conference Annual Spring Competition Fall Mail-in Competition Judge training/Tasting seminar Discounts at retailers Members Forum A greater variety of regional activities across Canada will be planned as CABA's membership increases. HOW DO I SUBSCRIBE? To become a member of the CABA mail a cheque/money order for $15 made out to CABA, to the following address: CABA 19 Cheshire Dr. Islington, Ontario M9B 2N7 Please include the following information on a separate sheet of paper: NAME ADDRESS POSTAL CODE HOME PHONE (include area code) It would also be appreciated if you could provide the following information: I started brewing in 19__. I brew with: [please check appropriate line(s)] : extract only ___. : extract and grains ___. : grain ___. My interests are in the following areas: : Attending conferences ___. : Competitions ___. : Educational exchange ___. : Winning recipes ___. : Tasting/Judging ___. ******************************************************************************** Happy Brewing, Mike Ligas ligas at sscvax.cis.mcmaster.ca P.O. Box 668 Waterdown, Ontario L8M 3B5 Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 91 14:06:43 PDT From: Doug Dreger <dreger at seismo.gps.caltech.edu> Subject: Weizen Beer I was wondering I anyone has been successful in making a weisen with a medium to strong clove taste? The local brewpub offers a wheat beer that doesn't even have a hint of cloves and several homebrewing friends make very good wheat beers that have negligable clove taste. My HBing friends use the wyeast wheat beer yeast. I don't know what the brewpub uses. Anyway I want to make a weisen with a strong clove taste. I propose to mash 6 lbs of wheat malt with 4 lbs of klagges, add about 1.5 oz's of medium alpha hops and the wyeast wheat beer yeast. My question what else can I do to help develop the clove taste. Does fermentation temperature play a role? I am planning on fermenting in my refridge at about 55 to 60 degrees. Thanks Doug Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 91 13:22:00 EDT From: rlr at bbt.com (Ron Rader) Subject: The ol' cleanliness demon... > From: "Ihor W. Slabicky" <iws at sgfb.ssd.ray.com> > Subject: Xingu Beer > > The Indian tribes along the Xingu river and it's > tributaries (Amazon area) still brew these beers. Their > process is basically malted grains, lupine herbs, and airborne > yeasts - with the women chewing the grain and spitting the mash > into pots, the resulting 'mash' being cooked over open fires > and giving the beer it's 'blackness' from the smoke - and lagered > in underground clay pots. Hah, hah, hah! Betcha those clay pots never saw a drop of Clorox solution. Let alone the, ah, interesting character that pre-chewed mash lends to the final brew. Father Barleywine, what do you think of that? I can see the recipe in 'The Cat's Meow, 2nd edition': XINGU THUNDERF**K 5 pounds Amazon maize 5 pounds winter wheat Lots of lupine herbs Chew grains thoroughly. Get your family and friends to help. Spit into malting vessel, and cook over an open fire, making sure you expose the mash to the smoke.... Leave wort outside for 3 days, after which time you may then bury your fermentation vessels until final gravity reaches 1.005. Don't worry about the scum at the top of the vessels, draw beer from the bottom and enjoy! Actually, I wonder what this stuff tastes like? I'd love to see M. Jackson cruise around native lands, sampling folk brews. - -- ron rader, jr rlr at bbt.com OR ...!mcnc!bbt!rlr = Opinions are my own and do | | i gotta six-pack & nothing to do... = not necessarily reflect those | | i gotta six-pack & i don't need you = of BroadBand Tech. (SO THERE!) *** Punk ain't no religious cult, punk means thinking for yourself - DKs *** Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 1991 18:48:00 -0400 From: MIKE LIGAS <LIGAS at SSCvax.CIS.McMaster.CA> Subject: Personal Address Correction At the end of my recent posting (CABA Promo.) I provided an incorrect personal address. My proper slow mail address is: Mike Ligas P.O. Box 668 Waterdown, Ontario Canada L0R 2H0 Sorry for the error. Mike Return to table of contents
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