HOMEBREW Digest #697 Thu 08 August 1991

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  German Beer (SWELTON)
  Beer in Germany
  RE: Time to Pour and Guinness ("espo02::anderson")
  Births and Homebrew (John DeCarlo)
  singha & Indian brews (DAVID)
  misc. ??s (Andy Kurtz)
  mead recipies requested (Michael Tighe)
  The two faces of Guiness (Mike Zentner)
  Re: Singha and Indian Beer (Steve Thornton)
  Singha ("John W. Reed")
  Slow pouring brews (BAUGHMANKR)
  Singha (John Freeman)
  Gold Country Homebrewers festival (krweiss)
  Re: more brewpot queries (Ken Giles)
  Real Life Dry Hopping Efficiencies (Tom Strasser)
  Newsgroup (Robert N Keil)
  Reusing yeast (Norm Hardy)
  Singha and other things.... (SERETNY)
  Whitbred Ale yeast (Chuck Coronella)
  Toxic Homebrew (hersh)
  Damn Lies & PPM (hersh)
  Sparging Bags (Don McDaniel)
  Help Wanted at Homebrew Store (Boston Area) (hersh)
  Re: Singha.. (Chris Shenton)
  Re: Malt aromas and DMS (larryba)
  Re: Suitable refrigerators (larryba)
  sparge apparatus [was: more brewpot queries] (Chris Shenton)
  Yeast Lifetime Expectancy (Tom Quinn 5-4291)
  Re: New edition of Papazian's book due out soon. (Kevin L. McBride)
  Re: Singha (Kevin L. McBride)
  Yet More on Bux & Brewpubs (Martin A. Lodahl)
  Hop Honey (wbt)

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---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 07 Aug 91 11:09:43 CET From: SWELTON%ESOC.BITNET at YALEVM.YCC.Yale.Edu Subject: German Beer Date: 07 August 1991, 11:08:05 CET From: SWELTON at ESOC To: homebrew%hpfcmi at hplabs.hp.com I sent the following to Todd Fisher regarding German beers but noticing more talk I thought I'd post it to the digest. Subject: Beer in Germany Date: 06 August 1991, 09:55:07 CET From: SWELTON at ESOC To: tfisher at brl.mil Todd, I saw your request about beers in Germany, so just happening to live here I thought I'd pass on some information. In the pubs here you will more than likely find 4 different types of beer. Probably the most common is Pils (Pilsner), this is what you will get if you just ask for a bier. This is probably closest to an American beer, but stronger. The next most popular is Export which is similiar to Pils but stronger and tends to be served in tankards (and is my favourite). Also on draught is a dark beer called Alt, this is reasonbly close to an English beer, but where you're going is not likely to be very common, but if you do see it, try it. German pubs don't tend to stock bottled beer's but the one that you are most likely to find is a Weizen beer which comes in two types. Kristal Weizen which is clear and Hever Weizen which is dark and cloudy. These beers are usually served with either a slice of lemon or a few grains of rice (have'nt got a clue why). I personally don't like them as they have a slight banana taste. Every area has it's different breweries so I can't recommend any but one's to look out for - IMHO - are Pfungstadter, Schmuker, Bitburger and Eder. They also have some variations that they they drink here which some people find weird. A good one is Diesel which is 1/2 Export, 1/2 Coke which isn't as bad as it sounds. Then there is Grafelder (or muddy water) which is 1/2 Alt, 1/2 Coke and is quite nice. Then there are such things as 1/2 Export and 1/2 Fanta orange and Berliner Weizenbier which is a Weiz beer with a rasberry cordial. German pubs tend to be very good with the amjority serving good food but as with all pubs check first as it might not be the right type. re. Bitburger Pils by us Brits living over here is not considered a particularly good beer, but compared to a lot of other beers that are available it's okay. There is a kind of rule in Germany that a Bier (only Pils) should take 7 minutes to pour. If your beer comes quicker than that you complain. But you can always ask for a schnell Pils. Hope some of this helps. Seb ~ Sebastian J. Welton | SWELTON at ESOC.BITNET ~ ~ European Space Operations Centre | MVS + VM Operations Analyst ~ ~ Darmstadt, Germany | C.S.S.G. ECD/CS Meteosat Ops. ~ Standard disclaimers ensue herewith Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 91 04:17:05 PDT From: "espo02::anderson" at newoa.enet.dec.com Subject: RE: Time to Pour and Guinness In response to Michael Bass and Bill Thacker concerning time to pour and Guinness: I've lived in Germany, Ireland and now the U.K. The way a beer is poured *does* matter. In Germany, a Ma_ is generally poured quickly (this however causes a lot of complaints at bierfests such as Oktoberfest that you get 3/4 liter beer and 1/4 foam). However, a Pils is poured slowly down the side and builds a very large head. This is allowed to rest and then refilled (can take 5+ minutes) A Wei_bier is poured from the bottle into the tall glass by inverting the bottle into the beer as it fills the glass just under the surface; if done correctly, this causes the foam to be sucked back up into the bottle, which is placed on its side and allowed to rest and then poured into the glass. If done incorrectly, you get a real mess. In Ireland, pouring a pint is ritual. However, after sampling an uncounted number of Guinness (and Murphy's) I do believe it does make a difference. To properly pour the pint you place the glass at an angle and place it against the tap and pull the handle towards yourself. This causes the Guinness to pour slowly into the glass. As it reachs the top, the glass is straightened; this starts creating the foamy head. When the glass is nearly full, it is placed on the counter to rest. The "bubbles" are diffused thoughout the drink and slowly rise to the top, turning the pint from brown to black. When this is complete (about 2-3 minutes), it is topped up again by pulling the handle towards yourself. Then, the handle is pushed away. This causes an injection which really builds a head. This again is allowed to settle (about 1-2 minutes). Then it is offered to the customer. The secret is in the tap. Why does this actually make a difference? The head of a Guinness is very creamy and bitter (the creamyness comes from nitrogen). A good Guinness should have a head that lasts until the drink is finished. When you drink it you get a little bit of the head with each sip. This blends the bitterness properly. ================ Kent Anderson Return to table of contents
Date: Wednesday, 7 Aug 1991 07:18:11 EDT From: m14051 at mwvm.mitre.org (John DeCarlo) Subject: Births and Homebrew >This *is* a hombrew list, so to keep to the topic, I've been ... >Pale Ale, and of course, lots of homebrew. It's particularly >nice to toast your son with your own homebrew... Another proper way to celebrate is to brew a commemorative brew. I brewed one last year in May called "New Baby Wheat", and one again this May called "Year Old Baby Wheat". (Pretty imaginative eh?) If you get inspired, you can scan in pictures of the baby at the appropriate age and put those on the label. Internet: jdecarlo at mitre.org (or John.DeCarlo at f131.n109.z1.fidonet.org) Fidonet: 1:109/131 Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1991 8:45:16 EDT From: POORE at SCRI1.SCRI.FSU.EDU (DAVID) Subject: singha & Indian brews >Re: the Singha beer - I don't believe it's Indian. I know of a couple >of Indian beers you can get at import stores - one is called UB >(united breweries) and the other one is Kingfisher which I recommend. Singha is Thai, and when it is fresh it's pretty good. Fairly rich malty flavor and amazing head characteristics reminiscent of a Beligian Trappiste (thick, creamy, and perpetual). Another pretty good Indian beer is Golden Eagle (or some close permutation thereof), which is an ok lager. Always interests me to think about 'colonial' brews and the influence they show from their European progenitors (eg. San Miguel, Mexican brews, Carribbean, etc.) David Poore poore at gw.scri.fsu.edu Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 91 09:05:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Andy Kurtz <ak35+ at andrew.cmu.edu> Subject: misc. ??s A few questions's all: Has anyone out there tried M&F's wheat extract? According to the can its a 55% wheat/45% barley combo. As my local store was out of Ireks, I purchased two cans of this for a wheat beer. Anybody know what I can expect? I'd also be interested in hearing people's opinions of M.eV.'s liquid wheat-beer yeast #33. Again, what can I expect in the way of viability, temp. tolerance, stamina (some liquid yeasts need a good jump-start outside of the foil packet before introduction into the wort) and above all, taste. One last (which I know has probably been addressed many times in the past...): Does B-brite sterilize? - --andy Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 91 09:14:31 EDT From: tighe at inmet.camb.inmet.com (Michael Tighe) Subject: mead recipies requested > Su Misra (t13329 at Calvin.EDU (Percy)) writes: > I'm looking for a recipe for mead. Here's my "standby" - 2 pounds of honey per gallon of water one thumb-sized piece of ginger per gallon of water grated skin of orange peel (two tablespoons/gal and avoid the white pith of the peel as much as possible) bring the honey and water to a boil skimming off the white and brown foam as you heat it simmer/skim for about 5 minutes per gallon (5gal == 20 min) when the boiling is almost done, add the ginger and orange peel cool (I usually let it cool "naturally"). work with yeast (Werka Mead Yeast is good, champagne or general purpose wine yeast will do) bottle after two weeks (while it's still sweet and still quite active) refrigerate the bottles after another two weeks (to avoid the glass grenade syndrome and to make the yeast settle out of the mead) To quote the original source: "It will be quick and pleasant from the very start and will keep for a month or more." Variants: Add lots more honey and let it ferment till it stops. Bottle and wait a month or more, you get champagne. Use some other citris fruit peel, such as lemon or grapefruit. Add some other fruit flavoring (crushed berries of some sort). Load up on the ginger (my friend makes "death by ginger" by using pounds of ginger per gallon!) Have fun, and may the yeasty-beasties be kind to you! Michael Tighe Intermetrics Microsystems Software Inc. Cambridge, MA 02138 (USA) email: tighe at inmet.camb.inmet.com Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 91 09:08:29 -0500 From: zentner at ecn.purdue.edu (Mike Zentner) Subject: The two faces of Guiness Bill Thacker writes: > Also, his description of the flavor didn't match with my own very well, > giving me to wonder if this bar might be serving the *real* draught Guinness > as found in Ireland (it *is* an Irish pub). I've had both versions. The last time I had it was a severe disappointment. It was thin, translucent!!!!, and did not have a non-quitting head, not at all like the real thing. If, in the future I see a bar advertising Guiness on tap, I'll certainly order a glass before getting rooked on a pitcher. Mike Zentner Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 07 Aug 91 10:48:58 EST From: Steve Thornton <NETWRK at HARVARDA.HARVARD.EDU> Subject: Re: Singha and Indian Beer >Re: the Singha beer - I don't believe it's Indian. I know of a couple >of Indian beers you can get at import stores - one is called UB >(united breweries) and the other one is Kingfisher which I recommend. >It's bloody expensive though. Singha is from Thailand. I've never seen UB (available in England only?) But Kingfisher, in 12 oz. and 25? oz. bottles is widely available in the US, particularly in Indian restaurants. Another I've seen is Golden Eagle. The Kingfisher is an Indian brand and an Indian recipe but the US bottles say "brewed under contract in England" or some such on them, which is wierd. Golden Eagle appears to be really from India. I'm not real crazy about any of them, but then I'm a dedicated ale drinker. Keep your lager. Steve Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 91 11:05:19 EDT From: "John W. Reed" <johnreed at BOSTON.vnet.ibm.com> Subject: Singha I've tried it and it's good stuff. It's Thai beer. Goes well with spicy Thai cuisine... Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1991 11:41 EDT From: BAUGHMANKR at CONRAD.APPSTATE.EDU Subject: Slow pouring brews >Michael Bass writes: > >> I had the good fortune to attend a conference in Berlin, Germany. >> One of the interesting features of the way they >> server beers: Apparently the length of time it takes to pour a beer is >> a measure of the quality of the beer and the bartender. Boy is that ever a reversal of what we expect on this side of the puddle. Whatever the case with the bartender, I certainly don't see a one-to-one correspondence between quality of brew and length of pour. > >Coincidentally, a friend of mine, in a telephone call Sunday night, >mentioned discovering a bar in Chicago which served Guinness on tap. >He marvelled that it took several minutes to pour the beer, because of the >foaming, and asked me what that meant. > >Several possibilities dawned on me, including the "new keg" foaminess >mentioned here, but he assured me that he'd investigated for a sufficiently >long time to see the keg well on its way toward emptiness. 8-) > >Also, his description of the flavor didn't match with my own very well, >giving me to wonder if this bar might be serving the *real* draught Guinness >as found in Ireland (it *is* an Irish pub). > >All this makes me curious. I can imagine ways that the type of pouring >might affect the beer; a good frothy pour would release more aroma to >tickle the nose, and perhaps the entrainment of air somehow emphasizes >the flavor and/or body. So how is beer poured for competition judging ? > As for Guinness, the foamy pour results from the special tap system they employ. There are two inlets for compressed gas in a Guinness tap. One introduces more or less 25% nitrogen. The rest is CO2. I've always been told that it's the nitrogen that gives draft Guinness its extraordinary head. My question is: do they do they same in Germany for their beers? If they do, I've never heard of it. The one time I was in Germany, I didn't notice the bartenders taking any longer to pour a brew than they do over here. Then again, I wasn't in Bavaria where I understand long pours are common. So are the long pours in Germany a function of the tap system or the style of beer? Expiring minds want to know. Kinney Baughman | Beer is my business and baughmankr at conrad.appstate.edu | I'm late for work. Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 91 10:49:34 CDT From: jlf at poplar.cray.com (John Freeman) Subject: Singha > Re: the Singha beer - I don't believe it's Indian. Singha is made in Thailand. I have a Singha Brewery T-shirt that I got in Bangkok. Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1991 08:48:48 -0800 From: krweiss at ucdavis.edu Subject: Gold Country Homebrewers festival The Sacramento Bee ran a front-page-of-the-Metro section article on the recent homebrew festival run by the Gold Country Brewers Assn. The publicity was substantially more positive than the last GCBA event, the infamous "Smoker you drink the driver you get" display reported by Martin Lodahl. Yo, Martin, were you a judge at this thing? How about a report? The Bee says it was the third largest homebrew contest in the US of A... Steve Russell -- an anagram for Ever Lustless. Coincidence or a mark of Satanic involvement in the whole Darryl/Steve dichotomy? You be the judge... As for me, I'm brewing a batch of garlic-jalapeno beer to ward off evil influences while reading this digest. Ken Weiss krweiss at ucdavis.edu Manager of Instruction Computing Services 916/752-5554 U.C. Davis Davis, CA 95616 Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 91 09:08:24 PDT From: keng at ic.MENTORG.COM (Ken Giles) Subject: Re: more brewpot queries In HBD 696, Mal Card says: > At the risk of beating a subject to death, I would much appreciate > further clarification re: 5 gallon boiler for all grain brewing. > > I do realize you can't squeeze 6.5 gallons of wort into a 5 gallon > boiler (too messy) BUT, rather than make a sizable investment for an > 8 gallon brewpot, my thought was to only boil ~ 4 gallons and dilute > it in either the primary or secondary vessel with boiled and chilled > water, bringing it up to 5 gallons - very similar to my extract > method. > > Am I missing something? Yes. The problem with large wort volumes when making all-grain beer is a result of the sparging process. Unfortunately, the sparging process won't allow the production of a concentrated wort, unless you are willing to leave a considerable amount of extract behind in the grain. Extracting the maximum amount of sugars in the sparge will require you to sparge until the runnings reach a specific gravity of 6 or lower. This requires a certain amount of sparge water, and when you add this to the volume of water used in the mash, you'll always come out with a volume greater than the target beer volume. Mashing and sparging for five gallons of beer will give you a preboil wort volume of greater than 5 gallons (typically 6.5). British brewers would sometimes split their mash in half, collecting the first runnings for a strong beer and collecting the final runnings for a mild. I suppose you could go that route. Before I got a kettle suitable for 10 gallon batches, I would collect all the runnings in my 48 quart picnic cooler (yes, to the brim) and then divide it and the hops among three kettles (two on my double propane burner system and one on the stove). After the boil, I would chill each pot, put the chilled wort back into the cooler, mix in the yeast, and divide into two carboys for fermentation. Needless to say, it wasn't long before I invested in the proper size kettle. A 33 quart ceramic-on-steel pot can be had for $25 at restaurant supply stores. kg. Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 91 12:38:21 -0400 From: strasser at raj5.tn.cornell.edu (Tom Strasser) Subject: Real Life Dry Hopping Efficiencies A few comments on errors when converting formula to real life dry hopping: In HBD 696 > From: srussell at snoopy.msc.cornell.edu (Stephen Russell) > > After much calculation involving the partial differential > equations for fluid-type flow in a kitchen-type environment under > brewing-type conditions, we were able to derive the following > formula for the efficiency of dry-hopping: > E = [F - (a/A)] * exp(-n) + (a/A) > It seems to me that this formula does not lend itself to real life dry hopping. I agree with the limits you have established, however the rate of decay, me thinks, might vary considerably in real life situations. For this reason, I suggest that the exponential term in the equation be changed to a product of n and a new variable, Tau, which a measure of a brewers tolerance (e.g. including body weight, drinking experience, sex, and altitude above sea level). Tau would be directly proportional to the brewers tolerance, and as a guess, it would be equal to the 0.36788 times the number of beers it takes to get the brewer so twisted he/she will randomly dry hop the entire kitchen. I think this addition would be of great help in using this equation to correctly predict hopping efficiencies in real life situations. > Units have been left off for the purposes of obfuscation. Of course, I've never known a scientist yet who would willingly submit himself to the scrutiny of unit analysis. > Does this sound about right to you folks? Sure hope this helps > in some small way to the general improvement of brewing as we > know it. Well, it didn't sound right to me! What do you think now? > However, this is not quite true in practice due to uncontrollable > muscle spasms, unexpected crosswinds, large, mutated hop-eating > cockroaches that often appear in a brewer's kitchen, and the Has the idea of brewery clean been lost amongst the Father Barleywines (no offense) of homebrewing? > Rather than immediately query the readers of this esteemed > Digest (one or more of whom may in all reality be Darryl Richman) Wait a minute, I thought srussell at snoopy was Darryl? >Long live the IBUs Dittos Auf ein neues, Tom Strasser.....strasser at raj5.tn.cornell.edu.....strasser at CRNLMSC3 P.S. Is it true that Darryl Richman is now, or will soon be, an IBU? Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 91 09:43:14 PDT From: 6500keil%ucsbuxa at hub.ucsb.edu (Robert N Keil) Subject: Newsgroup I've noticed that this mailing list gets a lot of traffic (which is great!). Has anyone ever considered creating a newsgroup about homebrew? I would think that this would make replying/reading all the posts a bit easier. - ----------------------------------------------------------------- Robert Keil | Graduate school... 6500keil at ucsbuxa.ucsb.edu | Steadily worse living Dept Chem, UCSB | through chemistry Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 91 09:51:49 PDT From: polstra!norm at uunet.UU.NET (Norm Hardy) Subject: Reusing yeast Two professional brewers in Seattle have mentioned that using the yeast off the secondary is the way to go for getting good healthy yeast cells. But, you might have to build up the amount before reusing. I have a system that works well with ale yeasts, and in particular, with Wyeast 1056: Primary ferment for 5 days at a controlled 65-72f. Rack and condition in the fridge at 45f to 40f for 8 days. Bottle. Carefully pour the yeast into a starter bottle (32 oz) with some starter wort to make about 20-26 oz of fluid. Set at room temperature. It should be ready for a new batch by the next day (or 2 at the most). Temperature shock? Not really a problem so far. - ------------------- Don't mess with John Polstra - Seattle's techno-brewer. Norm Hardy Return to table of contents
in the interest of safety, from ... John Polstra polstra!jdp at uunet.uu.net Polstra & Co., Inc. ...!uunet!polstra!jdp Seattle, Washington USA (206) 932-6482 "Self-knowledge is always bad news." -- John Barth Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 91 13:46:53 EDT From: SERETNY%uhavax.dnet at uhasun.hartford.edu Subject: Singha and other things.... wbt at cbema.att.com writes: > Coincidentally, a friend of mine, in a telephone call Sunday night, > mentioned discovering a bar in Chicago which served Guinness on tap. > He marvelled that it took several minutes to pour the beer, because of the > foaming, and asked me what that meant. > Several possibilities dawned on me, including the "new keg" foaminess > mentioned here, but he assured me that he'd investigated for a sufficiently > long time to see the keg well on its way toward emptiness. 8-) > Also, his description of the flavor didn't match with my own very well, > giving me to wonder if this bar might be serving the *real* draught Guinness > as found in Ireland (it *is* an Irish pub). It's not the real Guinness (as I had in Ireland). Ironically, there's more alcohol in the U.S. version (not by much). The Irish version is pure velvet - it was all I drank in Eire. (not that Smithwicks is a bad ale, but Guinness is SOOOOO good over there -- forget Harp Lager). To my knowledge, there are no Guinness breweries in America, which makes getting an unpasteurized product very difficult (impossible). Too bad... Irish Guinness is to die for -- I can't drink the U.S. product at all (draught or bottled). t13329 at Calvin.EDU (Percy) writes: > Re: the Singha beer - I don't believe it's Indian. I know of a couple > of Indian beers you can get at import stores - one is called UB > (united breweries) and the other one is Kingfisher which I recommend. > It's bloody expensive though. Singha is Siamese (Thai), and when fresh, quite good. Robert M. Seretny emails: seretny%uhavax.dnet at uhasun.hartford.edu Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 91 13:29 MTS From: Chuck Coronella <CORONELLRJDS at CHE.UTAH.EDU> Subject: Whitbred Ale yeast bliss at csrd.uiuc.edu (Brian Bliss) experienced a phenomenon that I experienced, just last week. > it off after I got a few more hours shuteye. Alas, the whitbread > ale yeast I used took off so rapidly that the vigorous fermentation > stirred up the sediment, and was producing so much CO2 that > my siphon didin't hold a vacuum long anyway. > . > . > . > On the subject of whitbread ale yeast, has anyone noticed a > similarity in behavior between it and M & F ale yeast? I brewed a cherry ale ~10 days ago, into which I pitched rehydrated Whitbred Ale Yeast. Within three hours, I had active fermentation, and within 12 hours, I had explosive fermentation. It was fermenting so vigorously that the lid was actually lifted off of my plastic bucket; that's a lid that I have some difficulty removing by hand. (I know, I shouldn't use a plastic bucket- I usually use a glass carboy, but had no way to get the cherries through such a narrow neck.) Good God, what a mess- cherries pieces all over the kitchen!! Anyway, I was able to salvage the beer, and transferred it to a (glass) secondary 36 hours after pitching. The gravity had gone from 1.065 to 1.017 in 36 hours!! Five days later, I bottled it; the gravity was still 1.017. I thought that this experience was probably due to the cherries, but now, I'm beginning to wonder. Is Whitbred selling a new, mutant, over-achieving, quick-starting yeast? I saved some of the yeast (from the secondary) and will probably use it again in a more traditional ale. I'll definitely brew it in a glass carboy equipped with a what-cha-ma-call-it hose off the top into a waiting receptacle. What do y'all think? Return to table of contents
Date: Tue, 06 Aug 91 18:52:49 EDT From: hersh at expo.lcs.mit.edu Subject: Toxic Homebrew Re: Martin Lodahl's concerns The statement "Homebrew can't make you sick!", isn't true. The statement that beer yeasts don't produce toxic substances is true. The difference being that there are bacteria that can spoil not only beer that is fermenting, but even beer that has fermented already (ie these bacteria are resistant to the growth deterring effect of alcohol, in fact some thrive by reducing alcohol such as acetic acid bacteria). Fortunately for the judge these same bacteria produce nasally and often visually (gushing, rings) apparent signs of their presence. My question is why as a judge would you taste anything that was such obvious symptoms of contamination. As a rule I will not score a beer that has obvious contamination. I simply note the contamination, try to identify it fro mit's aroma then move on. Being a beer judge may have it's responsibilities, but the "taste at all cost" philosophy doesn't do anybody any good. Sick judges don't judge welland risk their health, and drinking contaminated beer put contest organizers at risk of liability. Have you gotten sick from beers without obvious signs of contamination?? I would strongly advise any judges out there to let their nose be their guide. If a beer smells (or with gushers looks) obviously contaminated, approach with caution!! - Jay H Return to table of contents
Date: Tue, 06 Aug 91 19:10:43 EDT From: hersh at expo.lcs.mit.edu Subject: Damn Lies & PPM Sorry, to me it looks like John Polstra wins hands down on this one... Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 91 14:16:34 -0600 From: dinsdale at chtm.eece.unm.edu (Don McDaniel) Subject: Sparging Bags Mel asks if it wouldn't be better to have a sparging bag with solid sides and a mesh bottom. Indeed it would. Miller (the author, not the alleged beer) recommends a bag with muslin sides and mesh bottom. I thought I might make such a thing, but then found one at me local brew supply store. It has a drawstring top which secures it to the bucket and is sized for a five-gallon food pail. I added one of those little spring-loaded cord locks you can buy in backpacking stores to the drawstring. The bag cost $7.95 I think. That beats making your own. If you can't find suck a bag at your local store, call The Grape Arbor in Albuquerque and ask for Victor. I'm sure he'd be glad to mail you one. 505/883-0000. Don McDaniel Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 07 Aug 91 16:20:17 EDT From: hersh at expo.lcs.mit.edu Subject: Help Wanted at Homebrew Store (Boston Area) Sorry to suck up bandwidth, but this is about the only way to get at the proper audience. My friend, Jeff Pzena, owner of The Modern Brewer (Massachusetts Ave., near Porter Square, Cambridge, Mass.) has found himself in the unenviable position of losing his primary employee. He is seeking someone knowledgeable in homebrewing to replace him. Actually I think he is looking for 2 people, one full time, another part time, but a knowledge of at least the basics of homebrewing is a pre-requisite for the job. I don't know what the pay is, but the hours are approximately (they vary based on the day) Noon-7PM. The store is open 6 days a week, but I think the full time slot is only for 5 of those, the part time provides coverage for the full timers day off, and busy days (ie weekends I think). If you want more info call 1-800-SEND-ALE, or locally 868-5580. Please call the above number, no e-mail inquiries. Thanks for your indulgence. JaH - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ assume that you are moderate in everything. you now have an eXcess of moderation, a contradiction. eXcessiveness is clearly the way to go... Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 91 13:44:40 EDT From: Chris Shenton <chris at endgame.gsfc.nasa.gov> Subject: Re: Singha.. Singha is Thai. I enjoy it -- especially with bitchin' spicy Thai food. A clean pilsner with a pronounced hop edge which helps remove some of the heat :-). Return to table of contents
Date: Wed Aug 07 12:53:25 1991 From: microsoft!larryba at cs.washington.edu Subject: Re: Malt aromas and DMS In #695, Darryl Richman, referencing George Fixx, indicates that DMS is a primary distinction between Ales and Lagers w/re to secondary flavor components. My question is, why? What is different that causes the DMS to hang around the lagers much more than Ales? I have done 8 ales and 4 lagers (the last is still fermenting so make that 3 data points) and the lagers have always had dms smell (creamed corn) that dissapates quickly one the head has formed. My Ales have *never* had this smell. Is it the high temperature vigorous ferment that causes the difference (blowing more DMS off)? Or is it a function of the metabolism of the yeast used? Lager yeast sure smell different when fermenting! I have made a lager using English Pale Ale and single step infusion mashes - that one (this is from memory because my notes are not in front of me) had the strongest DMS aroma, so it doesn't seem to be a related to using "lager" malts... Return to table of contents
Date: Wed Aug 07 10:45:23 1991 From: microsoft!larryba at cs.washington.edu Subject: Re: Suitable refrigerators In HBD #695, Mike McNally inquires about refers for fermenting. I am successfully using an old 18cf Sears frost free refer (with freezer on top). The price was right: free if I hauled it away. I have a hunter energy monitor, but fiddling with the thermostat was easy enough to do. The only advantage with the hunter is easy setting of temp and less cycling of the compressor (less electricity and longer life). To fudge the built in thermostat, dissasemble it. There are a couple of adjustment screws that can be used to set the proper range. I don't use the freezer section other than to store glasses/bottles before filling with beer. To make it more efficient I used plastic boxing tape to modify the ducting to direct more cold air into the main refer portion. I store filled bottles on the door. I have three cobra taps set in the side. I can have three firestone kegs in it + a 7.5 gal carboy. I ferment, lager, store and delivery at 48f with reasonable results. Also a week at 48f for newly kegged ales really cleans/ clears them up nicely. Since the floor isn't flat, I cobbed up a false bottom (short shelf - plywood board with another board on one side as a leg) to set the carboy on. The kegs fit just fine without the false bottom. There is no room for shelfs. In other words, just about anything will do. Skip those dorm friges. they are too small (my brew buddy has one and the carboy + airlock doesn't fit) and are suitable only for delivery of one keg. If I had more room, I would get a second refer to handle lagering of multiple beers. Having room for only one carboy is my critical path in making lagers! Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 91 13:39:46 EDT From: Chris Shenton <chris at endgame.gsfc.nasa.gov> Subject: sparge apparatus [was: more brewpot queries] On Tue, 6 Aug 91 09:17:17 EDT , card at apollo.hp.com said: card> But what keeps the water from channeling through to the sides card> leaving the sweet wort trapped in the middle? He calls for card> an all mesh bag but wouldn't it make more sense to have a bag card> with solid sides and mesh only at the bottom? You're right about the mesh bag -- the water does tend to run out of the sides and avoid the middle. I haven't seen (tho I haven't looked too hard) sparge bags with non-porous sides. Here are two things that work for me: One of my mash/lauter tuns is a cylindrical 5-gallon cooler made by Gott. I found at an Asian store a large plastic collander just big enough to fit snugly down in the bottom of the cooler. This is great for 5-gallon batches of not-too-heavy beer; a heavy bock would probably not fit. The second is a 54 quart rectangular cooler, Igloo or something. I've made a 4-pipe drainage thingy out of 1/2" copper pipe which I slotted half way through every 1/2" inch or so, and soldered them up with 2 elbows and three Ts; it is coupled to the tap with a couple inches of plastic hose. I use this for my double batch mashes and it gives me a sufficient grain bed depth. It's not hard to build one -- certainly easier than drilling a zillion 16th inch holes -- but make sure you use silver solder to avoid the lead. On both, I replaced the push button valve with a drum tap thing. PS: Through the miracle of ASCII graphics, a diagram of the plumbing: /================ [] drum tap | |= T |================ \= elbow []--=| == slotted pipe |================ -- plastic hose | \================ PPS: re your real question about 5 gallon boils: you could use 2 5-gallon pots, or do like I did and cut a hole in the top of a keg (LOUD!) Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 91 13:07:13 CDT From: quinnt at turing.med.ge.com (Tom Quinn 5-4291) Subject: Yeast Lifetime Expectancy One discussion I have not seen during the last eight months since I began receiving this digest is about yeast lifetime expectancy. To frame my questions, I'll describe my current situation. Let me preface this with the fact that my brewing opportunities have been limited in recent months, so I've had yeast laying around unused much longer than I had expected. A few months back I brewed what was easily my finest batch. At the recommendation of several HBD readers I used a liquid yeast for the first time, and was pleased enough with the results to culture another starter from a bottle to use in my next batch, which also turned out fine. The other night, I tried again to get a starter going from a bottle from that first liquid yeast batch, boiling up a small amount of wort and being as sanitary as possible. After several days it became obvious that this starter was going nowhere (there was absolutely no activity). I made up another wort, poured in the yeast dregs from another bottle, and waited again, with the same non- results. Could the yeast in the beer have been too old to make a starter from? That batch had been in the bottle about four months. Is it possible that some storage conditions could have affected the yeast - we had a lot of hot weather around here earlier in the summer. I realize that my technique of starting the culture could also be at fault, but I'm interested in learning how long yeast remain alive but dormant in a beer. Also, I have a few packets of dried yeast I had bought before my conversion to liquid yeast. These are over four months old, and I wonder how they are affected by age. On those dried yeasts that are marked with dates, how meaningful are they? Can these be stored for long periods of time (> 6 months)? Are there optimal storage conditions for dried yeast? Thanks in advance for any advice. Tom =========================================================================== Tom Quinn || Consultant at || uucp: {uunet!crdgw1|sun!sunbrew}!gemed!quinnt G.E. Medical Systems || internet: quinnt at gemed.ge.com Milwaukee, WI 53201-414 || =========================================================================== Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 91 21:13:42 EDT From: gozer!klm at uunet.UU.NET (Kevin L. McBride) Subject: Re: New edition of Papazian's book due out soon. Dave Shaver <shaver at orion.convex.com> writes: >Although this may not be news to everyone, Charlie Papazian has the >second edition of his "The Complete Joy of Home Brewing" due out soon. Yeah, I know. Charlie himself told me at the AHA conference. He said, with a devilish smirk on his face, that it would have TWO indices. Sorry, I couldn't resist... - -- Kevin Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 91 21:19:26 EDT From: gozer!klm at uunet.uu.net (Kevin L. McBride) Subject: Re: Singha I've had this beer before at a Thai restaurant. It is a southeast asian beer and may, in fact, be made in Thailand. It's been a while since I've had it. Hey, that gives me a great excuse to go back to that Thai place!!! Pretty good beer, BTW. A nice malty pilsner with a creamy head. - -- Kevin Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 91 13:25:12 PDT From: Martin A. Lodahl <pbmoss!malodah at PacBell.COM> Subject: Yet More on Bux & Brewpubs I hate to sound like a shill for this, but the catalog for the upcoming U. C. Davis Extension classes is out, and it lists: _Brewpubs_and_Microbreweries:__Business_and_Brewing_ Saturday & Sunday, October 26 & 27, 9AM to 4PM $260 includes course material, one dinner, and a beer tasting. Pre-enroll by October 18 in Section 912E700. For more information or to enroll (using plastic), call 1-800-752-0881 (or, in Davis or Dixon, 757-8777). The class will be presented in the Extension portion of the U. C. Davis campus, California. I attended it in June, and feel it has important information for anyone thinking of starting up such a business, who does NOT have a solid business background. The emphasis is not on brewing. = Martin A. Lodahl Pacific*Bell Systems Analyst = = malodah at pbmoss.Pacbell.COM Sacramento, CA 916.972.4821 = = If it's good for ancient Druids, runnin' nekkid through the wuids, = = Drinkin' strange fermented fluids, it's good enough for me! 8-) = Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 91 11:05:39 EDT From: wbt at cbema.att.com Subject: Hop Honey Sean Conway mentions his impending hop harvest, noting: > Also, I don't "see" any of the oils or resins characteristics of > hops, just the orange pollen. reminding me that hops are flowers. Unfortunately, I've forgotten what I learned in my high school plant sexuality class 8-) so I'm not certain... as only the female hop plants are grown, do they still generate the nectar that attracts bees ? (My guess is "yes.") If they do, I wonder if anyone's ever tried putting a beehive in the middle of a hop field to get "hop honey," and then used that to make a honey beer or mead. Though I do get this image of green-hued honey that's a bit unappetizing... well, you could sell it on St. Patrick's Day. 8-) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Bill Thacker AT&T Network Systems - Columbus wbt at cbnews.att.com Return to table of contents
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