HOMEBREW Digest #929 Tue 21 July 1992

Digest #928 Digest #930

		Rob Gardner, Digest Coordinator

  Correction: Re: Mashing oats (HBD 927) (Andy Phillips)
  Re: adjusting specific gravity (Steve Piatz)
  Dishwashers and Sanitation (John DeCarlo)
  Mead Yeast Nutrients (John DeCarlo)
  Trub, Windsor English Ale Yeast ("Rick Ringel - HNS/DCN project")
  Brewpubs, microbreweries, and supplies in New England. (MORGAN)
  blue stuff on wort chiller (mcnally)
  Re: Bay Area Bottled Beers (Greg Winters)
  Kegging Questions (hurls)
  Re: Lager vs Ale malts? (Jeff Benjamin)
  Cranberry Ale (gkushmer)
  Colorado Brewers Festival (Rick Myers)
  lactobacillus culture (lg562)
  Yeast for a barleywine (recommendations please)? (Tom Bower)
  Missing HBD#921 (Rob Bradley)
  Re: Coffee Stout (Richard Stueven)
  Mailing beer (humor) (whg)
  Old Bay Special Amber Beer Festival (GC Woods)
  Re: Wanted: Oatmeal Stout Recipe (Chris Shenton)
  mashing wheat malt (James Dipalma)
  Correcting Jack, Jockey Box, Heavy Metal, Texas Brewpubs, hop drying (Jay Hersh)
  Re: dryhopping (korz)
  Re: beer and Dogs?  (Kurt Wiseman)
  Beer yeast and dogs (Lynn Gold)
  Bottles For Sale, Cheap (rdg)
  Kegs, Thermostats, Jocky Boxes  Trub (Jack Schmidling)
  Oatmeal Stout recipe (Larry Barello)

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---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 8:47 GMT From: Andy Phillips <PHILLIPSA at LARS.AFRC.AC.UK> Subject: Correction: Re: Mashing oats (HBD 927) Oops. When I said "the amount of amylase produced [by oats] may be less in barley", I meant "the amount of amylase produced may be less _than_ in barley....." Sorry for any confusion. Andy Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 08:40:14 CDT From: piatz at fig.cray.com (Steve Piatz) Subject: Re: adjusting specific gravity in HOMEBREW Digest #926 >From: arf at ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) >Subject: Malt, Correction, Kegs > >From: piatz at fig.cray.com (Steve Piatz) > >Subject: Adjusting specific gravity > > How often, I have wanted such info, primarily in winemaking. You have, > indeed done us a service. > > Just for the record.... > > > Dilution By 50% > > Is taken to mean... adding 5 gals to a ten gallon batch or adding 10 gallons > to a 10 gal batch? > 50% is adding 5 gallons to a 10 gallon batch (increasing H2O by 50%) Steve Piatz piatz at cray.com Return to table of contents
Date: Monday, 20 Jul 1992 09:41:13 EDT From: m14051 at mwvm.mitre.org (John DeCarlo) Subject: Dishwashers and Sanitation Philip Seitz writes: >At the moment I use heat to sanitize my bottles (actually, I >bake them), and have avoided using the dishwasher for this >purpose because the water does not reach the required >temperature of 170 F. Given the above information about the >detergent, does this mean that using the dishwasher is an >effective way to sanitize bottles? I think the consensus was that while the dishwasher may not effectively *clean* your bottles, it can do a good job of *sanitizing* them if it has a "heated dry" type cycle. The steam from that cycle should sanitize quite nicely. Internet: jdecarlo at mitre.org (or John.DeCarlo at f131.n109.z1.fidonet.org) Fidonet: 1:109/131 Return to table of contents
Date: Monday, 20 Jul 1992 09:41:38 EDT From: m14051 at mwvm.mitre.org (John DeCarlo) Subject: Mead Yeast Nutrients I have since misplaced my copy, but one of Byron Burch's advertisements (in the form of a newspaper, with articles and such), mentioned a special Mead Yeast that they carry. The gist of the article was that without proper nutrients, it takes a long time for mead to ferment. And that if you used a beer yeast nutrient set, it would give a harsh taste that would take a lot of aging to remove. Therefore, using a special mead yeast would get you that wonderfully-aged mead taste in much less than a year. Before I embark on such a proposition, has anyone tested this new yeast nutrient formulation and found it significantly better for their meads?  Internet: jdecarlo at mitre.org (or John.DeCarlo at f131.n109.z1.fidonet.org) Fidonet: 1:109/131 Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 10:08:32 EDT From: "Rick Ringel - HNS/DCN project" <rringel at hns.com> Subject: Trub, Windsor English Ale Yeast Hello brewers, I have a data point and a question. > ALBERT W. TAYLOR writes: > I just made a batch of beer, and this is the first time I have worried (yes, > I worried!) about letting the trub settle out. > [stuff deleted] > Does anyone know a better way than I propose? I simply pitch as soon as my wort is cool enough, then rack the wort off the trub a few hours later. When the house is cooler, the yeast are slower to get started, so I can leave it overnight. I should add that I only brew ales, so I don't worry about the yeasties hiding in the trub. As long as I rack before the respiration stage is over, I don't worry about the risk of oxidation. Does anyone have any comments on Windsor English Ale Yeast from Canada? Due to poor planning on my part, I couldn't get liquid yeast for my last batch, and was unable to get Whitbread Ale. :^( Windsor fermented out 7 pounds of malt extract in about 36 hours (at 78 degrees). It only took about 4 hours to finish up the respiration stage. Are the yeasties hyper because of the temp, or is it a characteristic of this strain? What sort of off-flavors are caused by high-temp fermentations? Thanks in advance. -Rick Ringel Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 1992 10:34 EST From: MORGAN%KEKULE at Venus.YCC.Yale.Edu Subject: Brewpubs, microbreweries, and supplies in New England. Hi All! I'm not sure that this really qualifies as an "article" so much as a request for information. My wife and I have just moved to the New Haven, CT area from central Ohio and were wanting some info on brewpubs and/or microbreweries that offer tours that are in the area. I am aware of the Elm City brewery here in New Haven -- are there others that are within a couple of hours? I haven't yet located any brewpubs here, but haven't had the chance to search too hard yet. Also, are there any homebrew suppliers nearby? Thanks in advance for the info -- I've only been brewing for a short time, but have found the digest a good source of info and ideas. If it would be better, you can send your suggestions / information directly to me (to keep from cluttering up the digest) at: morgan%kekule at venus.YCC.Yale.edu Thanks again. Scott Morgan Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 08:18:05 -0700 From: mcnally at wsl.dec.com Subject: blue stuff on wort chiller Based on my world-class understanding of chemistry, I'd guess that the blue stuff that forms on your copper wort chiller is copper sulfate. If I'm right, then you definitely want to get rid of it; it's toxic. You might try rinsing with a little vinegar and salt in boiling water. _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_- Mike McNally mcnally at wsl.dec.com Digital Equipment Corporation Western Software Lab Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 08:58:25 PDT From: Greg.Winters at EBay.Sun.COM (Greg Winters) Subject: Re: Bay Area Bottled Beers Michael T. Daly writes... >I have had some of the Anchor and SN products, and I plan on looking >for additional varieties which they don't ship (I found the SN Mai Bock >in Ft. Collins CO. Very nice. Almost convinced me to start lagering.). >I have had mixed impressions of the San Andreas Brewing Co's Richter >Scale Ale -- the first year was very good, the last one I had tasted >like orange juice....I think I'll skip them. I seem to remember >that Devil's Mt. is out of business....too bad, I liked their porter. >I'll get some of the Dead Cat Alley (or what ever they call themselves) >products, but I still have a half of a suitcase left....suggestions? > (Russ mentioned Anderson Valley, Winchester, Rogue and Mendocino. Who else?) IMHO - Leave the Dead Cat (Piss) beer alone. They have had a serious infection problem for a long time. Devil Mountain can't be out of business as I had their Railroad Ale yesterday at the California Small Brewers Festival in Mt. View, Ca. and it was very tasty. I would also skip the bottled versions of anything from Winchester. Although this is one of the first brew-pubs that got me hooked, I find the bottled versions boring and the pubs beers are not always consistant. Unfortunately, many of the beers served yesterday left something to be desired. Many seemed to be quite young and a few were completely off - Monterey (as usual) and Boulder Creek Stout come to mind... The Anderson Porter was delicious and a big hit, Mendocino Blue Heron Ale was very disappointing yesterday, although I have had very good bottles in the past. Anchor was there and thier products were great. They even had Old Foghorn (Which used up about a third of my tokens!) Can you fit a keg in your case? One from So. Ca. that I had never heard of "Rhino Chasers" had a very nice ale. Can't think of any other great beers that are also available in bottles represented yesterday, but one other mention is a hefeweizen from Gordon Birsch (of which I got the last glass!) which was very tasty. I don't believe they sell in bottles though. Greg Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 12:11:19 EDT From: hurls at bostech.com Subject: Kegging Questions Hi, This is my first post. I am planning to begin brewing soon, and am interested in using soda kegs for fermentation and conditioning. July 17's issue left me with a question: thomasf at deschutes.ico.tek.com (Thomas D. Feller) writes > In two of the kegs I have short (~1 in) copper caps on the > bottom of the pick-up tubes, the caps keep me from pulling > up alot of yeast from the bottom of the keg. Can you be more descriptive about these caps. Do they carry screens or do they just elevate the bottom of the pick-up tubes? Jim Hurley (hurls at bostech.com) Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 10:27:05 MDT From: Jeff Benjamin <benji at hpfcbug.fc.hp.com> Subject: Re: Lager vs Ale malts? I posted this to rec.crafts.brewing recently, but since the lager vs ale malt discussion is continuing, I thought I'd repost it here for the benefit of those who don't read r.c.b. I also added few more comments. Re: highly modified malts According to a local (Ft. Collins, CO) maltster/seed-lab technician Jim Bruce, there is actually little difference in modification between various malts. He says that all malts these days (US ale, UK ale, continental lager) are all highly modified; the differences are in the kilning technique and in the barley itself. Jim specializes in continental-style lager malts, which he says differ from ale malts in protein content due to a longer, more gradual increase in kilning temperature. Ale malts have a shorter kilning time with a sharper upwards temperature curve. The end result is that lager malts retain more proteins which are necessary to sustain the yeast over long lagering periods. Therefore, he says, you can use a lager malt to make an ale, but not the other way around. He also stresses that lager malts will benefit from a multi-step mash to extract these proteins, whereas ale malt can be used for a one-step infusion and achieve the same protein extraction. Larry Barello posts that "The bottom line is that step mashing is probably a quaint practice that is a hangover from big commercial breweries that use lots of rice and corn (where step mashing is still needed)." According to Jim, this isn't the case. A step mash is useful for ensuring a high-protein wort, not for converting adjuncts (though it may be helpful there as well). We all agree, however, that in terms of enzymatic power and sugar extraction, lager and ale malts are comparable. Jim also maintains that the difference between US and UK pale malts is that UK barley is grown in soils that are less heavily fertilized with artificial fertilizers and therefore have a lower nitrogen content. BTW, for those of you here in the central/south west region (CO, ID, AZ, NM, UT, MT, WY, TX), there's an article on Jim in last month's Rocky Mountain Brews. For the record, I typically use a 3-step mash (122F for 30min, 150-155F for about an hour, and 170F for 10 min). It doesn't seem that much more difficult than straight infusion. I've done infusion mashes, but I've never done a direct comparison. - ---- Jeff Benjamin benji at hpfcla.fc.hp.com Hewlett Packard Co. Fort Collins, Colorado "Midnight shakes the memory as a madman shakes a dead geranium." Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 12:33:37 EDT From: gkushmer at Jade.Tufts.EDU Subject: Cranberry Ale Hi everyone, I was interested in trying one of the Cranberry Ale recipies that I saw in The Cats Meow 2 but have a couple of questions: 1) anyone ever try either of them and have some recommendations to give? 2) should I use the bags of forzen cranberries that have been in the house freezer door for three years? (I only moved in recently - don't blame me!) One other thing that has been bugging me - does anyone know of a source for beer barrels other than Beer Wine and Hobby in Woburn, MA? I want to give one of those a shot but don't like the prices (on anything) at the only place that I know has any of these. Cheers, - --gk Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 11:42:13 CDT From: roddy at visual-ra.swmed.edu (Roddy McColl) JKL <JLAWRENCE at UH01.Colorado.EDU> writes > Also, I'm going to a conference in Dallas in October. Did I >read here that brewpubs are ILLEGAL in Texas, or was that some other >sadly backwards state? If there are any in Dallas, I'd appreciate >comments. > > - Jane 'Fraid so, Jane. All thanks to Texas State government and Anheiser-Busch (disclaimer: so the story goes). The law says something along the lines of "alcoholic beverages may not be sold on the same premises as they are brewed." The result is that all the breweries must have hospitality rooms or give the stuff away, etc. but that brewpubs are forbidden. However, I was talking with some friends about this the other day, and one of them said that they knew of a place which made you purchase coupons which could be then exchanged for beer. I don't know if it would be possible to get round the law that way - maybe the ACLU would be prepared to sponsor a test case ? On the bright side, there are a number of micro breweries in Texas whose products can be purchase in draught here in Dallas. So it's not all woe. Just make sure you visit the Gingerman, at the corner of the Quadrangle (everyone knows where that is). Roddy McColl. Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 11:02:51 MDT From: Rick Myers <rcm at hpctdpe.col.hp.com> Subject: Colorado Brewers Festival Full-Name: Rick Myers > In response to Rick Meyers' review: Sounded more negative than my > experience. This year's festival drew an estimated 20,000 brew fans > and wanna be's: almost twice the crowd of last year. The organizer's > definitely got the system down this year. Rick also mentioned his > dissapointment with the beer selection. This point and his earlier > statement about lines being reduced from 20-30 min last year to 5 min > this year are directly related. Imagine, if you will, 10,000 people > to again allow each brewer to offer a selection of brews. If you have > a chance to go next year, do it. Yes, it was slightly negative, but only due to the beer selection (which is the main reason I went!) Reducing the waiting time is no excuse for serving mainstream-style beer. If they continue to limit selection and only serve the styles they did this year, I WON'T be attending next year. By all means, if you've never been, try to make it next year! Rick - -- Rick Myers rcm at col.hp.com Hewlett-Packard Network Test Division Colorado Springs, CO Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 09:58:55 -0700 From: lg562 at koshland.pnl.gov Subject: lactobacillus culture I have a friend that would like to obtain a culture of Lactobacillus. Could anyone provide me with a starter or point me in a direction where I can get a starter for him? Many thanks! The Oregon Brewers Festival was wonderful! There were lots of interesting brews, including a Green Chile Ale. Instead of extinguishing the fire from spicy foods, this one flamed them! Michael Bass Molecular Science Research Center, K2-18 Battelle - Pacific Northwest Laboratory Richland, Washington 99352 lg562 at pnl.gov n7wlc Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 10:34:20 PDT From: Tom Bower <bower at hprnlme1.rose.hp.com> Subject: Yeast for a barleywine (recommendations please)? I've got barleywine on the brain, and am looking forward to making one now for this winter's consumption. It'll be my first attempt, and I have a question: I haven't seen much consensus on what yeast to use... There seem to be several schools of thought: - Use a wine yeast (exclusively) - Use an ale yeast (exclusively) - Use an ale yeast to start, then add a wine yeast later to finish At the moment, I'm leaning toward using a hardy ale yeast; the triple-strain Whitbread comes to mind, as (from what I read here on the HBD) it contains one strain which will survive the higher alcohol levels. Also, I imagine the SNPA American Ale yeast may do, since SN uses it for the Bigfoot. I'm trying to look at this barleywine as a strong beer rather than as a wine, and hope- fully de-emphasize the wineyness. All you barleywiners, what say ye?? Is the Whitbread 3-strain ale yeast available in liquid form? (like Wyeast?) Any recommendations for a first-time BarleyWhiner? Tom Bower. Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 13:42:22 -0400 From: bradley at adx.adelphi.edu (Rob Bradley) Subject: Missing HBD#921 I never received #921. Anybody got a handy copy they can send me? Thanks Cheers, Rob (bradley at adx.adelphi.edu) Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 10:48:39 PDT From: gak at harirud.wrs.com (Richard Stueven) Subject: Re: Coffee Stout In HBD #924, Drew Scott writes: >Does anyone have any experience with adding coffee to stouts? >How much should be added so that there isn't an overpowering >coffee flavor (assuming a 5 gallon batch) - just an ounce or two? >And is it best to leave the beans whole? For each of my two Coffee Stouts, I brewed a strong pot (8-10 cups) of either Zimbabwe or Morroccan coffee from Peet's Coffees in Berkeley. The flavor and aroma of good strong coffee was unmistakeable, but not overwhelming. I rated the first batch as one of my top three ever. I botched the third batch (didn't boil off nearly enough volume, so the beer turned out Way Too Light) but the flavor was still quite good. Both of these recipes are based on the one in Cat's Meow 2...sorry, I don't have it here, so I can't give you the exact name or page number. have fun gak 107/H/3&4 Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 09:58:46 CDT From: whg at tellabs.com Subject: Mailing beer (humor) Let me start off by saying this is a true story. A couple of years ago, a buddy of mine (Tim) returned to St. Louis from LA. While living in California, he and another friend had an uncontrollable urge for Busch beer. Not Bud, not but Bussssch!, which I understand is not marketed much out of the Midwest. (At the risk of detroying all crediability on this forum, I can attest to the ingrain desire of all St. Louisiannes for Busch.) As a gesture of friendship, Tim decided to pack up a case of Busch and send it to his wayward friend in LA. He packed up a case and walking into the post office and plunked it down on the counter. The clerk hefted it onto the scale and noting the weight asked if he wanted the package sent "book" rate. Tim mis-understood and thought she was asking if he wanted it sent "Busch" rate. "You've got a special rate for that?" he asked. So the next time your sending beer through the mail, ask for the "Busch" rate. Walter Gude || whg at tellabs.com h Return to table of contents
Date: 20 Jul 92 14:35:22 EDT (Mon) From: GC Woods <gcw at garage.att.com> Subject: Old Bay Special Amber Beer Festival On July 22 & 23 the "Old Bay Restaurant" in New Brunswick, NJ (908-246-3111) will be celebrating the arrival of "Old Bay Special Amber" draft beer from 9:30 PM to closing. The event cost $3 which includes German food and the first taste of beer is on the house with an invite card. The Old Bay Special Amber will be produced by Stoudt's micro brewery. Other Old Bay news is that Stoudt's Honey Dopplebock and weizen beer are now in (on tap) and the raspberry weizen and Sierra Nevada Summerfest will be soon. Geoff Woods | It's not just sluggin' gorms neemer! | | ( not just for breakfast anymore | Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 15:11:59 EDT From: css at srm1.stx.com (Chris Shenton) Subject: Re: Wanted: Oatmeal Stout Recipe To: homebrew at lupulus.ssc.gov On Mon, 13 Jul Murray Robinson <robinm at mrd.dsto.gov.au> wrote: Does anybody out there have a good oatmeal stout recipe? I am a relatively inexperienced home brewer (so the simpler the better) but am willing to tread new ground (ie full mash brews) in anticipation of an oatmeal stout to warm me on those winter days. Here's an update on a message I sent in over a year ago. The recipe is one of my all time favorites, and my beer guzzling friends thought it was my best ever, also. I wash shooting for something somewhere between Sam Smiths Oatmeal Stout and Watneys Cream stout -- two of my faves. A totally biased review follows the recipe. If you don't want the Cream Stout characteristic, omit the lactose. I'm not sure how it would work if you don't do a mash, but Wegeng.Henr at Xerox.COM mailed me this comment: A mini-mash of the oatmeal will work as long as you also mash some malted barley with it, so that there will be enough enzymes to convert the starch in the oatmeal into sugar (oatmeal lacks the necessary enzymes). I've done this a couple times with good results. You might talk with Jay Hersh -- he once sent me a digest of his extract-based oatmeal stout recipes. Here's the recipe for my Oatmeal Cream Stout. It was pieced together by comparing a number of Oatmeal and Cream Stout recipes posted to the HBD, as well as information in Eckert's book: Essentials of Beer Style. 10# pale ale malt 1# roasted barley (500L) 0.5# flaked barley (1.5L) 0.5# crystal malt (60L) 0.5# chocolate malt (400L) 1.3# steel cut oats (from a health food store) 0.5# lactose 9 aau bullions pellets (9% alpha), boil 60 minutes 0.5 oz fuggles pellets (3.4% alpha), boil 15 minutes 0.5 oz fuggles pellets (3.4% alpha), steep 0.7 stick brewers licorice (boil) starter culture of Wyeast Irish Ale #1084 Mash with 5 gallons 18 oz (48 oz/#) at 155-150F for 90 minutes. Sparge with 3 gallons water at 165F, collecting 6.5 gallons for boil. Boil 75 minutes, then force chill. Save 1.5 liters boiled wort for priming, ferment the rest. OG: 1.062 FG: 1.021 (high due to unfermentable lactose) COMMENTS We did a taste test against Youngs Oatmeal Stout, Sam Smiths Oatmeal Stout, and Watneys Cream Stout. It came out tasting **very** similar to Youngs: same hop character, a little heavier, sweeter, and slightly less roasty; a bit lighter in color (brown/red vs. brown/black). It was not as rich tasting and full-bodied as the Sam Smiths. It was not as roasty/burnt as Watneys, or as jet-black. Next time, I would reduce the OG to about 1.050 to reduce alcohol a bit, but add some dextrin malt for improved body. I'd aim a little more toward the Watneys, as it's one of my all-time faves: slightly less lactose, but more roasted malt. As popular as this was, it didn't last very long. Next time, I'll definitely do a double batch! Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 15:09:00 EDT From: dipalma at banshee.sw.stratus.com (James Dipalma) Subject: mashing wheat malt Hi all, This past weekend I brewed an all grain dunkelweizen. This was my first experience with wheat malt, I changed my procedure somewhat, and something unusual occured. Having read that wheat malt is high in protien, I did an extended protien rest, holding the mash at 118F-122F for one hour. I then raised the temperature of the mash to 155F for one hour, checking temperature and stirring at 10-15 minute intervals. This mash took just over two hours to convert, as verified by several iodine tests. Using the same equipment and procedures(except for the longer protien rest), I have never had a mash take longer than 1 to 1 1/2 hours, using English pale, German 2 row pilsner, Munich, etc. So, my questions to those who have mashed wheat malt: Is it normal that conversion took so long? I had read that wheat malt is very high in amalyse enzyme, I expected a somewhat shorter mash than normal. Is an extended protien rest desirable? Could this have affected the starch conversion? Some specifics: 5 lbs. wheat malt 3 lbs. munich malt 2 lbs. 2 row lager malt 1/2 lb. black malt - did'nt mash this, just crushed and added to lauter tun. 1.25 qt/lb, water to grist ratio Initial SG 1.055 after boiling down to 5.25 gallons, so my extraction was reasonable. In fact, everything about the brew seems normal, except for the longer mash. P.S. There has been a fair amount of discussion on the net lately regarding the clove character (or lack thereof) imparted by Wyeast 3056. Some have posted that higher fermentation temperatures seem to help provide more clove flavor. The above batch is now fermenting away in my 72F-75F basement, so in two-three weeks I'll have some data on this point. Cheers, Jim Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 15:09:52 EDT From: Jay Hersh <hersh at expo.lcs.mit.edu> Subject: Correcting Jack, Jockey Box, Heavy Metal, Texas Brewpubs, hop drying > Sure. Most readers didn't need enlightening. They recognized the error and > answered the question. But some folks just can not ever let an opportunity > to be nasty pass. > > Obviously, I was talking about lager yeast and the problem I anticipated by > storing culture slants. You seem to forget that a lot of people don't find it obvious. Many people read this forum to learn new things, and to them it's not obvious. Additionally you are constantly in the habit of contradicting people, and "debunking" even the most benign and commonly accepted of homebrewing practices. How was I to know that you had made a simple mistake (in your original text you mentioned Ale yeast twice in two places, seemingly quite consistent. I'd perhaps had thought it simply a mistake if in one case you had had it right and the other wrong, the contradiction indicating a typo, but your post seemed to imply that once again you were challenging something) rather than being engaged in propagating some new found wisdom. Sorry Jack, but for one who is constantly passing himself off as an expert on things, continually contradicting folks, pushing his products and opinions as the one "true religion", you're gonna have to do a little better. If you can't make a short simple posting and not get something as basic as lager and ale yeasts confused why should anyone believe your opinions about any other issue. Your credibility problem is your own, and not of my making.... On the subject of Jockey Box's, John Francisco was on the right track. According to Dave Miller, the pressure needed is related to tubing material and length. He gave quite an in-depth talk on this at the AHA Conference this year. I believe that notes from the conference are available through the AHA (and there is some discount prrio to October I seem to recall), which would include the necessary info to calculate the proper pressure for your line lengths (this seems to be very system specific). Sorry I didn't take notes, so I only have my recollections of the general content of the talk to guide you to those notes. Dave Ballard asks about metallic tastes in an IPA. I had often noticed many otherwise fine beers entered in contests having this flavor. The initial assumption was the kind of pot used, but talking with George Fix and reading his fine book now leads me to think otherwise. George indicates that in beers with high hopping levels and low water hardness apparent metallic flavors arise. While I have not done independent testing to verify this I would suggest your consulting George's Principles of Brewing Science. Do you know the hardness of your water?? Do you add anything to harden the water?? My suggestion would be to start looking there. There are no brewpubs in Texas. In Dallas the place to go is apparently the Gingerman (sorry don't know the address) if you're looking for beer selection. In the past I have had great success in drying my hops in the oven. I turn it on to the lowest heat setting, apprtoximately 125F, set them on foil or cookie sheets and leave them overnight. My understanding is that hop growers use a similar temperature but do this in a ventilated room rather than an oven, but this technique has worked OK for me the 2 years I have used it. JaH Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 14:25 CDT From: korz at ihpubj.att.com Subject: Re: dryhopping Keith asks about how long to dryhop. I used to dryhop in the primary as soon as the krauesen falls so the high-power fermentation does not lift the hops into the blowoff tube and clog it AND because the large volume of CO2 would scrub a lot of the bouquet out of the brew. Then, the beer would sit for two or three weeks in the primary until I was ready to bottle (we're talking ales here, of course). I noticed that if I waited longer before bottling, I got less bouquet, so I decided to try a new approach. What I now do, is dryhop 7 days before bottling. I wait for the fermentation to complete, dryhop, wait 7 days and then bottle/keg. Al. Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 11:27 PDT From: kwiseman at indetech.com (Kurt Wiseman) Subject: Re: beer and Dogs? Does anyone else believe this works? If anyone else has good/bad experience I'd love to hear about it. K. - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 15 Jul 92 11:25:04 -0700 From: lgold at Cadence.COM (Lynn Gold) Subject: Beer yeast and dogs I changed the subject to "beer yeast" because "brewer's yeast" is a VERY different product from the yeast we brew with. I discovered the benefits to letting my dog (a 10lb Bichon Frise) tipple a little when I was bottling one of my brews. I was doing this on my porch, spilling (as we often do) some of the wort as I was siphoning it into the bottles. Fuzzball came by and started licking up the spillage. Before this, Fuzzball was VERY tasty to fleas. After this, her flea problem magically disappeared. Since this was the only change to her diet, I knew I'd come on to something. Now whenever I open a bottle, I let Fuzzball have the sediment. She enjoys it, and as long as I drink enough :-), she doesn't have fleas. - --Lynn - ------------------------------ Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 14:52:06 MDT From: rdg at hpfcmi.fc.hp.com Subject: Bottles For Sale, Cheap In fact, for free. I'm looking for somebody in the Northern Colorado area to take some bottles off my hands. I have 12oz long necks, 16oz swingtops, and 27.5oz wine bottles. How many? I don't know, but let's just say it's around a zillion. Any takers? I'm not giving up brewing, just bottling. Rob Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 12:26 CDT From: arf at ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) Subject: Kegs, Thermostats, Jocky Boxes Trub To: Homebrew Digest Fm: Jack Schmidling >From: oconnor at ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (donald oconnor) >The notion that o-rings from a used soda keg must be replaced because the soda syrup has impregnated the rubber is a myth for the most part. Sugars and flavor components will come out or off of the o-rings simply by soaking in water. I would be interested to know how long you soaked them. I never bought new ones but I have soaked them overnight in: bleach, 100% alcohol, vinegar, baking soda, lie water and several other things which now escape me. I can still smell coke on all four of the ones I have. One of them that was only casually soaked in bleach and carefully flushed with water, all but destroyed a batch of beer. The taste of coke was so strong, the beer was barely drinkable. >Additionally, since the o-rings are not in contact with the beer then the idea that even some minute residual odor will destroy the flavor profile of a malty beer seems very unlikely. I would be interested to know how you think the o-ring seals without contacting the beer. My guess is that at least 30% of the large one sealing the lid is exposed to beer on the inside. >From: scott at gordian.com (Scott Murphy) >Subject: kegging question >I have kegged three of my batches to date. I don't add priming sugar. Instead, I siphon the beer into the keg, seal it and add CO2. I crank the pressure up to 25psi or so, invert the keg, and occasionally give it a good shake. I reach drinkable carbonation levels within a day. Welcome to the club. I used to let it sit for a week to carbonate before I learned that shaking the hell out of it would do the job in 15 minutes. However, I am curious to know why you invert the keg. It seems like an unnecessary exercise. >Does anybody think that priming (natural carbonation) is a better way to go than forced carbonation? I kinda do but the lack of sediment and turn-around time are tough to fight. >From: korz at ihlpl.att.com >Subject: Fridge thermostats >Roger suggests using the Honeywell thermostat for converting a fridge to our temerature range. Just, pray tell, what is "our temperature range"? I am having a hard time not being bored with all this talk of fridge temp controllers. Baderbrau ferments, ages and bottles/kegs their beer at 50F. This is a high quality pilsner lager and any fridge I have ever seen can maintain 50F with no outside help. What am I missing? >From: korz at iepubj.att.com >Subject: Re: My jockeybox >Russell writes: >Perhaps the length of the tubing in the "jockeybox" is the problem. >The amount of beer sitting in the tubing and the amount of time >any sip of beer spend sitting in the tubing increase with tubing >length. 10 feet of tubing with a cross-sectional area of 1 cm2 >will easily accommodate an entire glass of beer. >I think the problem I had was that this was industrial beer being dispensed continuously from a rented (grungy lines) jockeybox. I still believe, though, that the pressure would have to be pretty high to get the CO2 to dissolve into the beer in the keg which is at, say 68F. This would be much too high a pressure for dispensing the beer. Even if the beer got to spend a few hours at 50F, so much of the dissolved CO2 would stay in solution when the beer finally came out of the faucet, the pressure drop may still cause it to foam a lot. I think I see the light. Your jokey box is a big coil of copper tubing with all the potential problems outlined above. Whereas, the cold plate is a very short run of very small gage tubing in a killer heat sink. This seems to have enough advantages to make it worth starting over: 1. Holds only 2 oz of beer. 2. One cup of cubes will chill a glass or two. 3. Narrow tubing simulates long run without holding a lot of beer. The point of (3) is that you can boost the keg pressure to properly carbonate beer at room temperature and still dispense it properly. >From: Jeff Benjamin <benji at hpfcbug.fc.hp.com> ` >Subject: Counterflow chiller plans, killer sparge gadget >Tonight we just tried out some new lautering hardware that beats the Zapap lauter tun hands down (Charlie, how could you have lead us astray? :-). >The manifold is made with about 5 feet of tubing, 4 tees, 5 endcaps, one elbow, and one step-down for matching the size of the plastic hose. I am so glad people are beginning to see the light. There are other ways of doing things, aren't there? You can go one step farther (closer) and use only 6 inches of tubing and a 4 X 6 inch piece of window screen, rolled into a tube and clamped on to the tubing. I have been using this since my first all grain batch and see no reason to ever get any more complicated. If anyone is interested, I have all the bits and pieces and instructions on doing it in a posting called Easymash. Just email if you want it. >From: "CMD 2NDLT ALBERT W. TAYLOR " <S94TAYLOR at usuhsb.ucc.usuhs.nnmc.navy.mil> >Subject: Trub >I just made a batch of beer, and this is the first time I have worried (yes, I worried!) about letting the trub settle out. Only problem is that it took overnight for it to all fall out, even after the wort is completely cooled. My question is how much damage can be done by letting the stuff sit over- night to let the trub settle out..... Does anyone know a better way than I propose? Yes. Stop worrying about it. What does not settle out by the time it cools will settle out during fermentation/aging. js Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 92 22:19:21 PDT From: polstra!larryba at uunet.UU.NET (Larry Barello) Subject: Oatmeal Stout recipe Al Korz chastisted me for including a partial recipe for Oatmeal Stout in HBD #924 (an article about mashing oats and other specialty grains). To set the record straight here is the entire recipe: 7lb Great Western MAlting (GWM) Pale Malt. (e.g. 2-row pale/lager/ale malt) 1lb Huge Baird (HB) Roast Barley (also supplied by GWM) 1lb Rolled Oats from my co-op. 8oz HB light caristan (e.g. 15-20L crystal) Entire brewing water supply (7gal) treated with 5gm gypsum and 1 gm chalk (calcium carbonate). Mash in with 8qt at 137f, target temp 123f. After 30 minutes, step with 5qt boiling water, target temp 154f Conversion done in 20 minutes or so. Mash out at 168. Sparge with remaining supply water to collect 6 gal boil 60 minutes with 35gm chinook pellets (13% alpha) Est. IBU 67 OG with 5.5 gal of wort is 1.054 Chill, pitch 12gm dry whitbread ale yeast. TG after 6 days at 68f was 1.020, 3.73 %w/w, 183 cal/12oz Fine with 1/2tsp gelatine dissolved in water when kegging. I kegged with 1qt of wort recovered from the kettle after chilling. I strain out the hops/trub with a fine hop bag and can the wort to preserve it until kegging time. It would work just as well to force carbonate or use priming sugar. Don;t over do it. Stouts are not supposed to be fizzy. Still, with all that Oatmeal, the head is tremendous! Get out a fork and knife when drinking :=) This stout has a smokey aroma - probably due to the large amount of roast barley. Even though it has a lot of hops, it seems balanced. I think that Oatmeal makes teh resulting beer quite sweet. If served too cold (say 45f or below) it will be quite bitter. At 50-55 it is like nectar. Sip, sip - writing this article gave me a thirst so I opened up a bottle. Mmm, good stuff. I bottled the last gal or so from my keg to make room for another beer... Cheers! - Larry Barello Return to table of contents
End of HOMEBREW Digest #929, 07/21/92