HOMEBREW Digest #614 Fri 12 April 1991

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		Rob Gardner, Digest Coordinator

  Sam Adams clone (TSAMSEL)
  Brewpubs/Supply Stores/Good Beer in Florida (John DeCarlo)
  Re: Brewpubs in Cleveland ?  (YES! A really good one) (11-Apr-1991 0908)
  Re: Homebrew Digest #612 (April 10, 1991) (JEFF4320)
  Re: A Canadian Sending Beer to USA (Chris Shenton)
  Stuck Fermentation? (Tom Nolan)
  Re:  Any Brewpubs in Evanston, IL??? (flowers)
  Beer in Denmark (GERMANI)
  Ireks, green bottles, dry hopping, DME priming... (Ralph L McCallister)
  bottles ("John E. Lenz")
  Sake, anyone?? (Brian D. Moore)
  oxidation during sparge (mcnally)
  dry hopping, Evanston, IL (BIOSCTH)
  1st attempt at lager beer (Russell L. Oertel)
  Coffee grinders (John Freeman)
  Dry hopping (John Freeman)
  sanitary airlocks and carboy handles (mage!lou)
  Re:  Dry hopping / aromatics (Bob Clark - Sun Engineering)
  Midwest Brewpubs (C.R. Saikley)
  Wheat Extracts (C.R. Saikley)
  Grain Steeping Temps, Sulfur, Dry Hopping w/ Plugs (hersh)
  Sending Beer (Algis R Korzonas +1 708 979 8583)
  re-culturing from an iffy batch ?? (Carl West x4449)
  Tubing and "Psuedo" Beer (Jack Webb)
  Dry Hopping (C.R. Saikley)
  Re:  Homebrew Digest #612 (April 10, 1991) (Don't ya wanna hang out with the Bleach Boys, baby)
  Rotokeg, carbonation (Bill Crick)

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---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1991 8:07:38 EDT From: TSAMSEL at ISDRES.ER.USGS.GOV Subject: Sam Adams clone Re: Just like Sam Adams, approximately. My first 2 two batches were with Coopers Australian Lager kits. I used them with corn sugar and a cup of M&F crystal malt. Some people claimed these were a lot like Sam Adams lager. I assume one could procede from here bracket the formula. (Question: why have I seen more varieties of Sam Adams at beer stores in Colorado than in the Richmond/DC/Baltimore area?) Also: Stapleton airport takes a dim view of homebrew (outgoing, that is) Ted (Tsamsel at USGSRESV.BIT) Return to table of contents
Date: Thursday, 11 Apr 1991 09:18:06 EDT From: m14051 at mwvm.mitre.org (John DeCarlo) Subject: Brewpubs/Supply Stores/Good Beer in Florida I will be traveling to the vicinity of the Kennedy Space Center (Coco Beach, Florida). Anyone know of brewpubs, supply stores, etc. that are fairly close (i.e., reachable by car in half hour or so)? Thanks. Internet: jdecarlo at mitre.org (or John.DeCarlo at f131.n109.z1.fidonet.org) Fidonet: 1:109/131 Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 91 06:22:11 PDT From: 11-Apr-1991 0908 <hannan at gnpike.enet.dec.com> Subject: Re: Brewpubs in Cleveland ? (YES! A really good one) Jeff Chambers [motcid!red!chambers at uunet.UU.NET] writes Brewpubs in Cleveland? Yes. I recently returned from Cleveland, my 2nd trip there in less than a year, and my 2nd visit to the Great Lakes Brewing Company confirmed that this place has some truly great beer! Here's some details: Great Lakes Brewing Company 2516 Market Street, Cleveland 771-4404 "Located across from the West Side Market West 25th Street and Lorain Ave" It's close to Cleveland Municipal Stadium (the big round stadium seen off the Cleveland Shoreway/Rt 2). On the map look for Rt 42 and the intersections of this road with Rt 2, Rt 90, and/or Rt 71. It's close to either of these intersections. The beer there is German style. 2 weeks ago I sampled the Einbeck (a 'special' single or double type bock typical of a sweet malty German style bock beer) and the Heisman (a regular beer there, Dortmunder style - nice and hearty sweet finish). I rank the GLBC either #1 or #2 for the best microbreweries in the Northeast, in competition with the Cambridge Brewing Co for the #1 slot. I've never been to any places on the left coast, nor anywhere south of Ohio, but this place is a must visit. The Brewmasters Pie washed down with a Heisman made my day *-) For bottled beer, Erin Beer, made by the Cleveland Brewing Co, is also very good if you can't wait till you get to the GLBC. Ken Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1991 09:41 EST From: JEFF4320%SYBIL%RTI.BITNET at ncsuvm.ncsu.edu Subject: Re: Homebrew Digest #612 (April 10, 1991) PLEASE REMOVE ME FROM YOUR MAILING LIST: JEFF91%SYBIL at RTI THANKS........ Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 91 09:56:58 EDT From: Chris Shenton <chris at asylum.gsfc.nasa.gov> Subject: Re: A Canadian Sending Beer to USA On Wed, 10 Apr 91 12:10:42 CDT, Mike Charlton <umcharl3 at ccu.UManitoba.CA> said: Mike> We went to UPS. Unfortunately, they demanded that they know Mike> *exactly* what was in the package for customs. This meant that we Mike> had to tell them it was beer. Despite our insistence that it was Mike> alright to send it for analytical purposes, they refused to ship it. Mike> Finally, we went to Canada Post, but apparently they can't ship Mike> alcohol for any reason. Furthermore, the customs officials mentioned Mike> that even if you send it by courier, you have to clear the package Mike> with US customs before you send it. I once sent a couple bottles of homebrew to a friend in Turkey, via the Post Office. I wasn't expecting to ask what the contents were, so after a moment of confusion, I said ``Vinegar'', figuring that by the time it got to Turkey, that's what it might be. Probably not a bright idea, if I got found out, but it did get there. These laws are primitive, but so are the politicians who make them up. Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 91 10:07:07 -0400 From: nolan at lheavx.DNET.NASA.GOV (Tom Nolan) Subject: Stuck Fermentation? A friend of mine brewed his first batch of beer last week. He used one can of Laaglander "Irish Ale" kit (3.3 lbs) and 3 lbs of light dry malt extract. He didn't take an initial gravity reading. As far as I can tell, he did everything right, aerated the wort before pitching the rehydrated yeast. The fermentation peaked at about 48 hours after pitching, at only about 1 "glub" every 3 seconds. Three days later it stopped. The final gravity is 1.028, steady for four days now. He used the yeast that came with the kit. So is this supposed to be a sweet beer? Or might it benefit by another yeast addition to try to bring it down to what I would figure the normal range should be (1.012 or so)? I guess that would mean it should be re-oxygenated. Any advice would keep us from worrying too much. Thanks Tom Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1991 09:39:07 -0600 From: flowers at csrd.uiuc.edu Subject: Re: Any Brewpubs in Evanston, IL??? Evanston, including Northwestern University, is dry. -Craig Flowers (flowers at csrd.uiuc.edu) Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 91 10:52 EST From: GERMANI%NSLVAX at Venus.YCC.Yale.Edu Subject: Beer in Denmark Greetings, I find myself in the fortunate postion of having to attend a conference in AArhus Denmark. Does anyone out there have any information on things to do in Denmark (beer related stuff of course, but any other helpful info will also be appreciated)? I definately will be spending a few days in Copenhagen. I feel that a trip to the Carlsberg Brewery is a must, especially since the Carlsberg Foundation is partially funding me (and they didn't even know that I was a homebrewer). Thanks, Joe Bitnet: GERMANI at YALEVMS Decnet: 44421::GERMANI P.S. I Thought some of you might enjoy this: %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Fill with mingled cream and amber,/ I will drain that glass again. Such hilarious visions clamber/ through the chamber of my brain-- Quaintest thoughts--queerest fancies/ come to life and fade away; What care I how time advances: I am drinking ale today. Poe %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 91 10:14:12 -0500 From: ralph at ecn.purdue.edu (Ralph L McCallister) Subject: Ireks, green bottles, dry hopping, DME priming... Ireks, green bottles, dry hopping, priming with DME: I promise to keep this short. Ireks, Dave Miller states that when brewing a wheat beer you should use a 2:1 ratio of wheat to malted barley. This year I made a wheat beer using 6.6 lb. can of Ireks and 3.3 lb. can of MF light malt extract. I also dry hopped with an ounce of Saaz as well about 2.5 oz. of boiling hops. This turned out to be a very pleasent surpise. I really like this beer and would recommend using this ratio, either with grain or extract. I would like to add about a lb. of cara pils next time and an extra half ounce of dry hops. I would NOT add any corn sugar to this recipe. This is a semi-sweet brew with a nice flavor and after taste. Try it, you'll like it!!! I highly recommend Ireks for your wheat beers. Green bottles, I bottle in clear, green, and brown bottles. I keep them out of the sunlight while in storage. I have never had any problems. If you bottle in clear or green keep them covered. If light cannot get to your bottles, they will never know the difference! Dry hopping, it can be a pain, you will lose a little more brew when you rack from the secondary to bottling bucket or bottles, but it is well worth the effort. I think that an ounce or two depending on the alpha acid content, added to the secondary will give that little extra spark to a beer. I add mine after I am done racking, I don't know about adding them before racking. They float on the top and after 5 weeks in the secondary they did not sink to the bottom. I would be interested in knowing how it turns out when they are added to the bottom. Priming with DME, I thought I read that DME has about 70% of fermentable sugars. A 1:1 swap with corn sugar should work. I think that you could even go with about 30% more DME than sugar and be alright. I had a friend of mine split a batch, priming 1/2 with corn sugar and the other with DME. The one visible difference is that the ones primed with DME are a bit more cloudy, this may work out in time. Other than that I could not taste any difference and the heads on both samples seem to be about equal. A great plus about brewing your own, is that you can try anything you want!!! Ain't it great!! Ralph McCallister ralph at ecn.purdue.edu ....Something going to happen..What's Going to Happen..something wonderful.. Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 91 10:51:54 EDT From: "John E. Lenz" <JELJ at CORNELLA.cit.cornell.edu> Subject: bottles I noticed in HB Digest #613 (today's issue) that I neglected to mention that the 2-year-old Weizen that I mentioned was in grren bottles, perhaps the comment will make more sense now. >Kurt Swanson asks (in #613) about using a coffee grinder for crushing malt. I have done so in the past, you will need to set it for the coarsest grind it will make. Depending on the type of grinder you have this may or may not be adequate for malt milling, be careful not to pulverize the husks too much. You may also want to check with your local food co-op to see if they carry a Corona grain mill, or some other brand. I got mine at the Moscow, Idaho co-op for just over $30, as compared to the $45-50 price tag this item typically carries in the Homebrew supply catalogs. >Gene Schultz (also in #613) asks about West Coast suppliers of malt extract You might want to check out Great Fermentations, there are two, one in Santa Rosa and one in Marin, Byron Burch owns one of these. I used to order from them and recall that they carried a bulk extract syrup, though I'm not sure what they had in the dry category. As I recall their prices were quite good and the service was excellent. I think that I dealt with the Santa Rosa outfit, but am not sure, though I know that it was the one that Byron does not run. A general comment regarding brewpubs, breweries, etc.. Michael Jackson has a brand new edition of the "Pocket Guide to Beer" which is an excellent reference with very good coverage of the brewing scene in the U.S. as well as the other major brewing nations around the world. I highly recommend this to anyone who is travelling and needs good information on what brews they can expect to encounter, or should be looking for, along the way. As to airlock contents, I have been using Wild Turkey lately, seems that a malt-based distilled product shouldn't hurt the beer if it comes in contact with it. And lastly, Ted(TSAMSEL at ISDRES.ER.USGS.GOV) you have my sympathy on the demise of your carboy and the loss of your beer. Had you ever subjected the carboy to a physical shock of any sort? If not you probably just got a defective one. I try to handle my carboys very carefully, I have some plastic milk crates (the kind that half-pint cartons are delivered in) and find that these are just the right size for both 5 gal and 25 litre carboys and provide some protection when setting them down, especially when they are full. Cheers, Dr. John Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 91 10:32:47 CDT From: Brian D. Moore <bdm at spacsun.rice.edu> Subject: Sake, anyone?? OK, so it looks like my current batch of sake may have myco'd on me, so now is the time to ask: as the local supply store carries rice extract, does anyone have an all-extract recipe for sake? Or at least the utilization percentage (a la the fabled 25% increase in dryy vs. canned malt extract)? Brian Moore CEO -- Bach Us Winery -- a fugue in every bottle Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 91 08:32:44 -0700 From: mcnally at wsl.dec.com Subject: oxidation during sparge As I was sparging a recent mash, I started thinking about all the pouring and splashing going on. I'm pretty careful when I sparge, but it seems basically impossible to avoid a good deal of air contact. Is oxidation a potential problem at this stage? Is it avoidable? (Someday I'll build a recirculating infusion mash system, probably about the time I build my own space shuttle.) - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike McNally mcnally at wsl.dec.com Digital Equipment Corporation Western Software Lab Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 91 10:07:55 CDT From: BIOSCTH at UMCVMB.MISSOURI.EDU Subject: dry hopping, Evanston, IL Hello Homebrewers -- On dryhopping ... I've had great success with a no-worries approach. I just dump pellets or fresh/whole hops into the secondary and rack the beer onto them. They settle out after 10-14 days. If the secondary fermentation is particularly vigorous I sometimes add another dose of hops after the bubbling slows down -- I don't want all those wonderful aromas carried off by the CO2. I wouldn't recommend boiling the *dry* hops at all. The aroma-causing compounds are very volatile and some of them will be lost in even a short boil.The brew's EtOH, pH, and the hops themselves seem to be enough to keep rogue microbes from getting established. Brewpubs in Evanston ... Not likely. Evanston is the home of the Women's Temperance League -- the teetotaling biddies that were largely responsible for swinging public sentiment in favor of Prohibition. Although things may have changed since I lived in the Chicago area, Evanston used to be the only *dry* town in Illinois. When I was in high school it finally became legal to buy beer & wine in restaurants. The only good thing I know about Evanston, beer-wise that is, is that it's on the northern border of The City of Broad Shoulders. Get a cab and go to the Goose Island Brewery. Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 91 09:13:28 CDT From: russo at carlos.sps.mot.com (Russell L. Oertel) Subject: 1st attempt at lager beer I've learned alot reading this forum over the past two months, and now I think it's time I make my first posting. I've been brewing since last July, and am presently working on my 6th and 7th batches. I decided to make my first attempt at a lager beer (an American-style bock, actually) and I don't have any experience as to the timeframes required to make a lager. At the moment, I don't have the resources to keep 5 gallons of beer chilled to 45-50 degrees, so I am making a 1-gallon "experimental" batch. What has surprised me about this batch is the length of time it has sustained very active fermentation. It took a couple of days for it to get started, but it has been very active (15-20 glugs/minute, but remember, this is only 1 gallon) for more than a week. How long can I expect this to go on? I'm not worrying, just curious. The other thing I was wondering about is how long should I age it? I was planning, once the fermentation is basically done, to put the gallon jar in the fridge with the lid on, loosening the lid every day or so to relieve any pressure that may build up. Before I do this I plan to make sure that the fermentation is going *very* slowly. Is this not a smart thing to do? With my current setup, I don't think I have many other options (not until I can get my dedicated fridge). Maybe I should just bottle it when the fermentation slows down? Thanks for any advice, Russ Oertel russo at carlos.sps.mot.com Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 91 11:15:48 CDT From: jlf at poplar.cray.com (John Freeman) Subject: Coffee grinders > Subject: Re: cracking/crushing/grinding grains... > > Does anyone use a home coffee grinder to crush grains? If so, how effective is > this? I have one of these things, and granted one can't grind too much at a > time, it would be nice to use this thing for something, as I don't drink coffee. > I used to use a coffee grinder with my hand drill to provide power. It was slow (about eight minutes per pound) and didn't do a good job. I didn't know how bad it was till I bought a Corona mill. The Corona takes a minute or two per pound and is much more uniform. My advice - get a Corona and don't waste time with a coffee grinder. Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 91 11:12:40 CDT From: jlf at poplar.cray.com (John Freeman) Subject: Dry hopping > And finally, I'd like to kick off a discussion on dry hopping. I made a > Pale Ale on Sunday and plan to dry hop it with an ounce, or more, of Goldings > leaf hops when I rack it into the secondary. I would be interested in hearing > of other brewers' experiences with and procedures for dry hopping. I'm > planning to simply put the hops, which are in compressed half-ounce plugs, into > the carboy and rack the beer onto them. It seems to me that letting the hops > have unrestrained contact with the beer should achieve the best result in terms > of extracting the desired compounds. Will they eventually sink to the > bottom? Or am I opening myself up to a racking nightmare at bottling time? > I eagerly await your responses. > I tried dry hopping in exactly this way on my last batch o' pale ale. I put 10 grams of Freshhops Mt. Hood hops into a carboy and racked three gallons of beer onto it. I did not attempt to sterilize the hops in any way, I just dumped them into the carboy. It all floated to the surface and looked like swamp scum. It didn't sink in five days, at which time I racked it and bottled. The hops rinsed out of the carboy easier than I expected. The resulting beer is excellent. The only complaint I have is that there is too much crud in the yeast cake making it unsuitable for repitching. Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 91 10:48:28 MDT From: hplabs!mage!lou Subject: sanitary airlocks and carboy handles In HBD #612 Dan Graham writes: >One of the homebrew mail order catalogs I have adds a lot of advice along >with their product listings. I have found some of the advice to be good, >and some pretty bad. One of the things they recommend is to use a mixture >of vodka and water in the airlock. This seems like overkill to me, since >bacteria cannot travel up a loop anyway. Has anyone done this and noted any >different results from just using water? If there is anything that abounds in the world of homebrewing, it is overkill; as the readers of this digest well know. On the other hand, advice for overkill is not bad advice, just unnecessary. However, using vodka in the water might be a good approach to dealing with a problem I have from time to time - getting water sucked from the airlock into the carboy. This will happen when there is very little fermentation going on and the temperature drops. It happens to me under two conditions: 1) when I rack a lager, I let it sit for an hour or two to allow the sediments stirred up by moving it to the kitchen counter to settle. In the process it warms up and get warm gas (potentially air but I usually charge the new carboy with CO2) above the beer so that putting it back in the fridge cools the beer and gas,causing a temporary lower that atmospheric pressure in the carboy for a short time. 2) I like to bulk age my meads in the carboy for 6 months or more; I think it speeds up the aging process and makes for a better final product. Since I brew a lot of melomels during berry season (e.g. warm months) the temperature in my brew storage area drops before I bottle them and after the fermentation is complete. In any case, I get carboys that suck water out of the airlock. This is not a godd thing, although it's not necessarily a bad thing. I always just use tapwater and don't worry and get excellent results. However, Byron Burch points out in his book that not all tap water is as forgiving as mine is. Also, some posters to this digest have complained of getting fruit flies in the water of their airlocks. Under such conditions, you would definitely want something to kill off anything that gets into the water of the airlock if there is a chance that it will get into the carboy. Also, Marc Rouleau relates a message from John DeCarlo: >> The carboy was shipped to me via UPS, in a very nice styrofoam >> container. This container is invaluable in storing and carrying >> the carboy. I would hesitate to use a neck-handle on a full 7 >> gallong carboy, but find it very easy to use the handles on the >> styrofoam container to move it about even when full. The first thing I do when I get a new 7 gallon carboy is to put a neck handle on it. I ferment in the crawl space under my house which is reached by a trap door in a closet. The floor of the house is about 5 feet above the floor of the crawl space. If not for the handles I almost certainly would have dropped a full carboy by now. I use the handles to carry full carboys to the closet or out to the garage where my lagering fridge is located and have never had a problem. I did, however, mount the handles as low on the neck as I could get them which meant stretching out the ring that goes around the neck and getting a longer bolt to hold the handle on. Louis Clark reply to: lou%mage.uucp at ncar.ucar.edu Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 91 09:59:01 PDT From: bobc at Eng.Sun.COM (Bob Clark - Sun Engineering) Subject: Re: Dry hopping / aromatics From: "John E. Lenz" <JELJ at CORNELLA.cit.cornell.edu> Subject: Greetings It seems to me that letting the hops have unrestrained contact with the beer should achieve the best result in terms of extracting the desired compounds. Will they eventually sink to the bottom? Or am I opening myself up to a racking nightmare at bottling time? I eagerly await your responses. One time, I left the hops bag of aromatic hops (added at end of boil) in the primary fermenter. After fermentation kicked off, the bag ended up floating on top of the krausen - effectively minimizing any further contact with the beer. I'd like to found out if anyone has figured out how to get the kind of floral aromatics which Sierra Nevada has. Bob C. Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 91 10:40:10 PDT From: grumpy!cr at uunet.UU.NET (C.R. Saikley) Subject: Midwest Brewpubs There have been some recent requests for info on brewpubs in Illinois and Ohio. Things change quickly, and my records may be out of date, but here's what I've found: There are unfortunately no brewpubs in Evanston. There are five brewpubs in Illinois, three in Chicago, one in Berwyn, and one in Champaign. Cleveland boasts the Great Lakes Brewing Company (2516 Market St., 216-771-4404).There are also brewpubs in Columbus, Dayton, and Strongsville (?). I haven't had the pleasure of visiting any of the above, so I can't say much more about them. If you make it to any of them, please let us know what you find. Enjoy, CR Saikley Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 91 11:29:50 PDT From: grumpy!cr at uunet.UU.NET (C.R. Saikley) Subject: Wheat Extracts There has been alot of talk about wheat malt extract and wheat/barley ratios etc. The consensus seems to be that Ireks is 100% wheat malt. That raises a question............ How do they do that? The reason that wheat beers are usually at least 1/3 barley is that the barley is necessary. Wheat malt is low in enzymes, so tthe added barley compensates. Also, wheat malt lacks husk material which is needed to form the filter bed. Anchor Brewing has gotten their wheat content up to something like 72-73% in Anchor Wheat, but they don't think they can go higher. Now maybe Ireks is able to get away with more since they are making malt extract and not beer. I suppose that they could add lots of gibberellic acid to get the starch->sugar conversion. They would also probably have to develop a specialized lautering system. This is conjecture; does anyone out there really know ?? Eagerly Awaiting, CR Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 91 14:37:52 EDT From: hersh at expo.lcs.mit.edu Subject: Grain Steeping Temps, Sulfur, Dry Hopping w/ Plugs >I suggest that you consider steeping the grains at 168 degrees for Well actually I would suggest using a slightly lower temperature, say 145-155F as the higher temps can also result in greater extraction of tannins and astringency. >have the smell of rotten eggs (hydrogen sulfide) coming from my beer! The What kind of yeast are you using?? I have brewed Lager beers in the past and had H2S odors come off the carbouy. I found however that the smell and flavor did not remain in the beer. Depending upon the yeast strain and brewing process a lot of sulfur compounds can be produced. Depending upon the amount produced the yeast will reduce them . This chemical reduction can result in the release of H2S. It is actually a good sign that H2S is being produced as this means the sulfur is being eliminate from the beer. Of course at some point the release of this should cease. If it persists past say 10 days, then it is likely your beer has so much Sulfur in it that the yeast simply can not reduce it all, otherwise the smell should wane as the level of Sulfur in the wort drops > I'm planning to simply put the hops, which are in compressed half-ounce plugs, > into the carboy and rack the beer onto them. Yeah this works real well, some people rig up devices to prevent the hops from cloggin up the racking tube. I did sort of the opposite, I chopped the hops up and put them in one of those mesh boiling bags, put it in the carbouy first then racked the beer onto it in the secondary. JaH (was Jay Hersh, been promoted) Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 91 13:16:48 mdt From: hplabs!hp-lsd.cos.hp.com!ihlpl!korz (Algis R Korzonas +1 708 979 8583) Subject: Sending Beer Mike writes: >the problems we were having. We went to UPS. Unfortunately, they demanded >that they know *exactly* what was in the package for customs. This meant >that we had to tell them it was beer. Despite our insistence that it was I sent mine via U.S.mail, and following the suggestion of someone at the AHA, I marked the box as "Non-perishable food." Al. Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 91 15:00:03 EDT From: eisen at kopf.HQ.Ileaf.COM (Carl West x4449) Subject: re-culturing from an iffy batch ?? My second and most recent batch was aerated while hot, and pitched too hot, and ended up having some off flavors which I believe came entirely from those two causes. My question: Am I being foolish to think that if I culture from a bottle of this stuff the yeast itself will be OK? Or is it clear to those who know better, that the yeast is `damaged' and will continue to produce off flavors even if it is treated well in the future? Carl Return to table of contents
Date: 11 Apr 91 15:30:49 EST From: Jack Webb <JACK.L.WEBB at OFFICE.WANG.COM> Subject: Tubing and "Psuedo" Beer Two rather disparate items: A friend showed me an ad for "Tygon" beverage/food tubing. According to him, this stuff was originally designed for the ice cream industry, and won't promote bacterial growth. He made the obvious connection to homebrewing. According to the ad, "Tygon B-44-3 tubing is odorless and taste-free, so it won't alter your formula for success." Tygon (a registered trademark) is made by Norton Performance Plastics. The ad concluded "For details, call 216-798-9240." At this point, I haven't called them, tho my friend did send in one of those circle-the-numbers-for-more-info type cards. Anybody out there familiar with this stuff? A few HBDs ago, there was some discussion of non-alcoholic beers. I happened across a case (empty - I haven't tried any of it - I like alcohol :-) of "Marke Clausthaler Non-Alcoholic Malt Beverage", and couldn't resist writing down the info on the case - thought it might contribute (late, I realize) to the previous thread. For the record, this stuff is brewed by Binding-Brauerei A.G., Frankfurt, West Germany. Per the box (direct quote) "Brewed from pure water, barley malt, hops and yeast in accordance with the German Beer Purity Law of 1516". Hmmm, no doubt, tho I'll bet the law doesn't cover removing the alcohol you tried so hard to create. Unfortunately, the blurb on the box made no mention of how they removed the alcohol. For what it's worth... Jack Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 91 15:02:59 CDT From: bliss at csrd.uiuc.edu (Brian Bliss) troby at carl.org (Thorn Roby) writes: > I've brewed something like 20 batches over five years in three Rotokegs > and I think only two have gotten through the keg without needing > additional carbonation. shit! I just brewed my 11th batch last night, and I've only been in business for 2 months. Do you still drink a lot of commercial beer, or are you just a lightweight? The only problem is that I have to keep drinking all these cases of Old Milwaukee just to get the bottles. For the first couple batches I left the labels on, and when I gave a bottle to a guest, he drank it and thought it was Old Mill :-) I'm planning on cutting down on volume, though. This stuff takes up too much time (almost as much time a reading notesfiles and newsgroups). bb Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 91 13:30:50 PDT From: grumpy!cr at uunet.UU.NET (C.R. Saikley) Subject: Dry Hopping <From: Doug Dreger <dreger at seismo.gps.caltech.edu> <The lager that I am making is in the primary in the fridge. I want to <dry hop it and was planning to add about 0.75 oz hops to boiling H2O in <my erlynmeyer (sp?) flask, quickly cool it in an ice bath and add this <to my secondary before I rack in the beer. Is all of this necessary ? <Do I take a risk with infection if I simply add the hops directly with <out the boiling H2O? Dry hopping is certainly the way to get hop aroma into your beers, but there is the nagging question regarding infection. Unfortunately, boiling the hops long enough to ensure sterility also ensures that the hop aroma has dissipated. The shorter the boiling time, the more hop volatiles remain, and the more critters survive. Fortunately, the critters typically found on hops don't like a yeasty, anaerobic, low pH environment, which allows dry hopping to be successful. I've dry hopped many beers, and this has not caused any infection problems. Last February, I took a homebrewing class from Dr. Lewis at UC Davis. He said they had studied the problem, and concluded that tossing in hops 2-3 days into fermentation is basically safe, and that no added precautions were called for. (Correct me if I'm wrong Russ.) <From: "John E. Lenz" <JELJ at CORNELLA.cit.cornell.edu> <And finally, I'd like to kick off a discussion on dry hopping. I made a <Pale Ale on Sunday and plan to dry hop it with an ounce, or more, of Goldings <leaf hops when I rack it into the secondary. I would be interested in hearing <of other brewers' experiences with and procedures for dry hopping. I'm <planning to simply put the hops, which are in compressed half-ounce plugs, into <the carboy and rack the beer onto them. It seems to me that letting the hops <have unrestrained contact with the beer should achieve the best result in terms <of extracting the desired compounds. Will they eventually sink to the <bottom? Or am I opening myself up to a racking nightmare at bottling time? <I eagerly await your responses. I've found that pellets generally work better than whole hops. The half ounce plugs will separate into whole hops in the carboy. They do sink for the most part, but are easily disturbed and tend to clog the racking tube. Pelletized hops break up into very small pieces that are less easily disturbed. If you do pick them up, they will pass through the tube into your priming vessel painlessly, where they have another opportunity to settle. Hope this helps, CR Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 91 14:04:55 PDT From: metaware!sol!rickh at uunet.UU.NET (Don't ya wanna hang out with the Bleach Boys, baby) Subject: Re: Homebrew Digest #612 (April 10, 1991) I've tried to get mail to the request address, and it keeps bouncing. Please take me off this list. Thanx, // ---<-- at -Echo \X/ The Potato-Salad-Eatin' Fool. INTERNET: rickh at metaware.com AT&T: (408) 427-9814 home UUCP: uunet!ucscc!metaware!rickh (408) 429-6382 x3086 work Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 1991 17:40:06 -0400 From: hplabs!bnr-vpa!bnr-rsc!crick (Bill Crick) Subject: Rotokeg, carbonation I had a Safron Superkeg, plastic keg for about 4.88 years, which split, and the store that sold it replaced it with a Rotokeg on the 5 yr warantee, as they no longer sold the superkeg. I've had the Rotokeg for about three years. I have found that one has to be very careful to clean and lubricate all the seal joints if you don't want them to leak, and yield flat beer. Even if you are careful, sometimes a beer will suddenly go flat. On the other hand I've had some batches in these kegs for 8 months with no problems. If you put a five gallon batch into the keg, you will most likely have to add CO2 cardtridges to get the last half out of the keg. What I have been doing lately with good succes is the following: I take a five gallon batch, and add two cups of sugar. I then bottle 24 bottles of this, and put the rest (3.5Gallons) into the Rotokeg, and seal it up. This is way more sugar than they recommend. You must have a relief valve of some type. My Brewcraft injector has one. The keg pressure increases to the relief valve pressure, and then starts venting quite a bit of gas. This gas that is vented purges a fair amount of the air that was in the large headspace in the keg, which helps reduce oxidation problems. Because there is a large headspace filled to maximum pressure, there is enough gas in there to dispense most or all of the beer without any cartridges SOmetimes it takes a cartridge to get the last 1/2 gallon or so out. Note that I have often served the bottled version, and kegged version of the same batch to friends one after the other, and most like the bottled version better. Some won't even believe they are the same beer!!!! The Rotokeg has the tap at the top of the keg with a pickup tube. The superkeg had the tap at the bottom. I found the Superkeg hard to get beer out of. You either get a glass of foam if you crack the tap, or 90MPH beer flying around if you open it wide. With the small diameter pickup tube in the Rotokeg, there is enough restriction in this tube, to open the tap wide, and still get beer coming out slow enough that you can keep it in the glass. Even so there is lots of ofam. I'm thinking of making the pickup tube either smaller diameter, or longer so the pressure drop is spread out more gradually, so the flow is lower, and the tendancy to foam less. I once had someone who works for a beer company tell me that in there draft setups, if the keg was less than a certain distance from the tap, they added a small coil of small pipe between the tap and keg to reduce foaming. He called this coil a "restrictor coil". Bill Crick Brewius, Ergo Sumfoam! Return to table of contents
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