FORUM ON BEER, HOMEBREWING, AND RELATED ISSUES
		Rob Gardner, Digest Coordinator


Contents:
  distribution (JZABDER)
  mini-keg question (Jim Grady)
  Gel/Liq/Sacc (npyle)
  What is Malt Liquor? (Richard Buckberg)
  Beer & Brewing Bibliography ("Bill Kitch")
  RE: All-grain (James Dipalma)
  Foaming when adding priming sugar (Jeff Benjamin)
  Something new (esonn1)
  2-dial regulator vs. 1 dial (09-Sep-1993 1208 -0400)
  REGULATORS ("Cisco" )
  BEER MIX REPLY  ("Cisco" )
  used brewpub equipment (jay marshall)
  replacing keg gaskets, etc. (09-Sep-1993 1353 -0400)
  Yeast Washing (Martin Wilde)
  Colorless runoff/low extraction/dryhopping (korz)
  (none) (mbarre)
  When should I pick my hops? (CAIN_WILLIAM)
  CF chiller cleaning, cooler mashing, Glatt mill, etc. (Eric Wade)
  Hoptech's fruit extracts (Bill Flowers)
  Scotland/Wales/Ireland (Bill Othon.LinCom)
  homebrew stores near Palo Alto? (Ken Michael Johnson)
  New Brewer. (PAUL MACDONALD)
  Radlett, England pubs? / OLD bottle cleaning (David Hinz (hinz at picard.med.ge.com))


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Date: Thu, 9 Sep 93 06:08:40 PDT
From: JZABDER at BCSC02.GOV.BC.CA
Subject: distribution

To: HOMEBR2 --INTERNET homebrew at hpfcmi.fc

System Operations
Please remove me from  homebrew digest redistribution list. Thanks for all
the info.

G'day

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Date: Thu, 9 Sep 93 9:19:17 EDT
From: Jim Grady <grady at hpangrt.an.hp.com>
Subject: mini-keg question

Here is a question for all you who have used the mini-kegs that are
becoming available:  Is it easy (or even possible) to purge the kegs
with CO2 when you are kegging?  Can you put the dispenser in the keg,
give it a gentle blast (talk about oxymorons) of CO2, and then fill?

Thanks in advance for your help!
- --
Jim Grady              |"Root beer burps don't have to be said 'Excuse me'."
grady at hp-mpg.an.hp.com |                Robert Grady, age 4.75

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Date: Thu, 9 Sep 93 7:24:24 MDT
From: npyle at n33.stortek.com
Subject: Gel/Liq/Sacc

Al Korz raises a good point about mashing.  One of the first books I read about
all-grain was from Dave Line, who is (was) admittedly one of the more relaxed
brewing authors around.  He did say more than once (I believe it was in "The
Big Book of Brewing") that once you hit a negative starch test you are _not_
done.  I guess he explained it a bit although I can't recall what his
explanation was.  Miller's explanation via Al seems right on the money:
ungelatinized starch which is undetected by the iodine test.  Maybe this is why
many professional brewers rely more on the mash time rather than a conversion
test.

cheers,
norm
- -- 
Norm Pyle, Staff Engineer         Head Brewer,
Storage Technology Corporation    Pyledriver Brewery, A Non-Profit Organization
2270 South 88th Street            1500 Elmhurst Drive
Louisville, CO 80028-0211         Longmont, CO 80503-2323
(303) 673-8884                    npyle at n33.stortek.com

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Date: 	Thu, 9 Sep 1993 07:41:09 -0700
From: Richard Buckberg <buck at well.sf.ca.us>
Subject: What is Malt Liquor?


Does anyone have a definition of malt liquor?  What makes some brews malt
liquor, and does anyone have any recipes?

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Date: Thu, 9 Sep 93 10:11:20 CST  
From: "Bill Kitch" <kitchwa at bongo.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Beer & Brewing Bibliography

  I was reading Bill Ridgely's post on Heather Ale in HBD #1222 and
was facinated by the description of this ale.  Anyway, It got me
thinking about books on beer and brewing, new and old.  Most of us
are familiar with the recent books for homebrewers, Miller, Papazian,
etc.  However, there are obviously a lot of other books out there.
I'm wondering about putting together some sort of annotated,
bibliography.  Any interest?  Send me you comments and citations.

WAK

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Date: Thu, 9 Sep 93 11:32:43 EDT
From: dipalma at banshee.sw.stratus.com (James Dipalma)
Subject: RE: All-grain


Hi All,

  In HBD#1221 Greg Habel writes:

>Well, I attempted my first all grain batch this past weekend.  Using
>a rectangular picnic cooler with a copper t'd manifold for mashing
>and sparging.  Picnic cooler is a 10 gallon.  Mashed 6lbs highly
>modified pale malt and 8 oz crystal with 6 quarts of 168F water for 1
>hour.                                                ^^^^

  Was 168F your strike temperature, or the temperature of the mash?
168F is a little high for saccharification rest, you want a mash
temperature of roughly 150F-158F, depending on how much body is desired
in the finished beer.

>Here's the part I think I screw'd
>up.  When sparging with 3 gallons of 170F water, I had a very
>difficult time of not disturbing the grain bed.  Most of the time it
>was very turbulent.  Anyways, the OG ended up being 1.024!!!! I
>quickly went to the fridge and pounded a couple of homebrews, yeast
>and all!  Here's my question... how important is it that the grain
>bed is kept relatively undisturbed while sparging?

  It's fairly important that the grain bed be disturbed as little as
possible once recirculation of the initial runoff is complete and a 
filter bed established.  If the grain bed is disturbed, the chances of
particulate matter such as small pieces of grain or husk getting into
the brewpot are increased.

>How do you add 3 gallons of 170F sparge water without disturbing the
>grain bed?  Could it be that my cooler is too large, ie the grain bed
>is not deep enough?  I decided to ferment it anyways.

  Try using something to diffuse the sparge water as you add it.  I mash
and sparge in a cylindrical cooler with a colander mounted on top.
You might try setting a bowl or plate upside down on the grain bed, and
pouring the water slowly onto the bottom of the plate.

>Also, will the
>liquid turn colorless near the end of the sparge.  Mine didn't.

  The runoff will get lighter in color as the sparge progresses, but
it should not get colorless unless you oversparge.

>I'd love to give this another shot this weekend.  Greg

  Please do, and let us know how things worked out.

***************************************************************

Also in HBD#1221, Bill Kitch writes:

>I went all grain several months ago and will never turn back.  However,
>I've got some new problems. I'm sure you experienced all-grainers can help
>me solve them.
> 1)  I've had haze problems since I started mashing my own
> grains.  Not chill haze, rather ther beer never clarifies properly.
> I know the most likely source is uncoverted starches.  However, my
> mashes all passed the iodine test (sample taken from top of mash tun).
> Is there a better conversion test?  Is there another possible source for
> this haze?

  Hmmm, just a hunch, but the fact that the iodine test passed after
mashing yet haze appears in the runoff leads me to believe that unconverted
starch is indeed the culprit, and that you have a filtration or sparging
problem.
  Check your grind, specifically the condition of the grain husks, they
should be intact or nearly so.  The more intact the grain husk, the better
filtration you will get in the lauter tun.  If the husks are excessively
torn or in small pieces, you need to grind a little coarser.  Your extraction
may suffer a little bit, but this is by far the lesser of the two evils,
IMHO.
  Another thing to check is the temperature of the grain bed itself.  I read
somewhere, in one of Miller's books I believe, that granules of unconverted
starch will burst when exposed to temperatures approaching 190F.  This
releases very fine particles of unconverted starch into the wort, which
are all but impossible to filter out in the tun.  Measure the temperature
of the grain bed, not the sparge water or water on top of the bed, and
keep it around 160F or so.

> 2)  Sparging questions:
>   a) How much recirculation.  "Recirculate until runoff is clear".
>   Sounds great in print.  However, for amber or darker beers this is
>   not as obvious as is sounds.  In last batch I recirculated the first
>   5 qts.  Is this excessive?

  Different lautering setups will require different amounts of recirculation,
so it's difficult to say whether a given amount of recirculation is
excessive or not.  I recirculate until the runoff is free of particulate
matter, usually 2 to 3 quarts.  The runoff is not crystal clear at this
point, but it begins to run clear shortly afterwards.
  I think the purpose of recirculation is to set up the filtration by the
grain bed, not to increase yields.  When the runoff is free of small chunks
of grain, you're there.  Of course, this is more difficult to determine
with dark beers.  When in doubt, I'll collect the runoff in a small glass,
and hold it up to the light.  This works for all but the darkest stouts.

>   b) When to stop sparging.  "Don't over sparge".  I like this about as
>   much as "cook until done".  The three techniques I know of are 1)
>   sparge until running reach certain gravity (1.010?), 2) Sparge until
>   pH is too high ( > 5.5?), 3)  Sparge until boiler is full. 

  I use a combination of the hydrometer reading and my palate to determine
when to stop.  From experience, when I've collected 5 gallons of wort, I
start taking frequent gravity readings of the runoff.  When the gravity of
the runoff approaches 1.020, I start tasting the sample.  As soon as I detect
a taste like hot tea, I stop sparging.  With my equipment and procedures,
I'll have ~6.5 gallons collected at this point, and the gravity is ~1.010.
Your mileage may vary.
  The problem with oversparging is excessive tannin extraction from the
grain husks.  This is why I use my palate to determine when to stop.  IMHO,
numbers like gravity and pH will vary according to water supply, amount 
and type of grain used, etc., so it's risky to rely solely on these
measurements.

> 3) Seperating break material & spent hops from wort.  When I syphon my
>   cooled wort from the boiler into the fermenter, my syphon tube clogs
>   leaving 1/2 to 1 gallon of wort/trub in the boiler. I usually pore the
>   last of this glog into mason jars, allow the trub to settle and decant
>   the wort for use as starters.  One quart of glog doen't bother me but
>   for my last triple I was left with nearly a gallon.  Again seems
>   wasteful.  Techniques?  Equipment?  (I know, Jack, I should drill a
>   hole in the bottom of my boiler and install a SS screen w/tubing etc.
>   I'm seriously considering this but would like to hear other
>   alternatives.)

  Someone else posted this idea a while ago, I can't remember who, try
attaching a copper scouring pad to the end of your racking tube.  These
things are called "Chore Boys" in these parts, they have no soap in them,
are easily sanitized by a brief boil, and cool off enough to handle a few
seconds after removal from boiling water.  I set the end of the racking 
tube directly on the surface of the break material, they do a superb job
of filtering hops and trub, I get every drop of wort and have never had one
clog.

  Apologies for the lengthy post, I hope it helps.

                                     Cheers,
                                      Jim


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Date: Thu, 9 Sep 93 9:43:19 MDT
From: Jeff Benjamin <benji at hpfcbug.fc.hp.com>
Subject: Foaming when adding priming sugar

I've noticed, at bottling time, when I add my priming sugar to the beer
it tends to foam a bit.  Anyone else notice this or have a theory why?

My guess would be that it is an indication of how much CO2 is dissolved
in the beer -- the sugar somehow causes it to be released.  So
indirectly, it's an indication of how active the yeast in your beer
still are, and perhaps an indication of how well your beer will
carbonate.

BTW, I usually prime with 2/3 cup corn sugar dissolved in a few ounces
of hot water.

- --
Jeff Benjamin                               benji at hpfcla.fc.hp.com
Hewlett Packard Co.                         Fort Collins, Colorado	
"Midnight shakes the memory as a madman shakes a dead geranium."
					    - T.S. Eliot

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Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 11:50:42 -0400
From: esonn1 at cc.swarthmore.edu
Subject: Something new

Greetings,
I am an extract brewer with about 10 batches under my belt. Mainly because
of time constraints, I don't think I'll be trying all-grain brewing for
quite some time, but I would like to expand my brewing horizons. Other than
brewing particular beers I haven't done before, are there any techniques
ingredients etc. that you more experienced brewers would suggest I try? The
only half-way unusual ingredient I've added yet was some milk sugar to a
stout which is now fermenting. This request may seem out of left field, but
I thank you in advance for humoring me and for any suggestions. 
Please respond by e-mail to :esonn1 at cc.swarthmore.edu
Cheers,
Eugene


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Date: Thu, 9 Sep 93 09:10:50 PDT
From: 09-Sep-1993 1208 -0400 <ferguson at zendia.enet.dec.com>
Subject: 2-dial regulator vs. 1 dial

>Date: Tue, 7 Sep 93 15:58:48 PDT
>From: bgros at sensitivity.berkeley.edu (Bryan L. Gros)
>Subject: regulator question
>
>While we're on the subject of kegging...
>
>Most of the kegging setups I've seen at shops have regulators on
>the CO2 bottles with two "dials".  What do the two dials read?  Are

2-dial systems usualy have 1 low pressure dial (0-70 PSI or so) and
one high-pressure dial (0-2000 PSI).  The high-pressure dial is the
pressure in your CO2 tank.  The low-pressure dial is the pressure
maintained in your keg.  I guess the only reason for having the high-
pressure dial is to help determine when your tank is nearly spent.

JC Ferguson

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Date:         9 Sep 93 10:04:40 MST
From: "Cisco" <FRANCISCO at osmo.CCIT.Arizona.EDU>
Subject:      REGULATORS

Glenn Anderson writes:
Homebrewers desiring the use of this gas should be aware that they
must use different regulators as the nitrogen is packed in under
higher pressure than CO2. CO2 is normally under 800LBS pressure and
CO2 gages normally top out somewhere around this. Nitrogen on the
other hand is usually under around 2100LBS and require the
appropriate regulator/gages.

To keep you from hooking up the low pressure CO2 regulator to the
beer mix and blowing your head off, the bottles come with a different
valve.  It's female, part number is CGA580.
*****************************

This is correct ONLY if you're filling your tank with 100% nitrogen
and that definitely doesn't work for dispensing beer(you will
eventually end up with flat beer because the CO2 in suspension will
leave the beer under a blanket of nitrogen). The nitrogen/CO2
mixture is under 1800 lbs pressure and beer dispensing regulators
are rated to be safe up to 2400 lbs(I called several regulator
distributers to be sure). Also no special value is needed for the
special Beer Mix of nitrogen/CO2.

John Francisco

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Date:         9 Sep 93 10:26:37 MST
From: "Cisco" <FRANCISCO at osmo.CCIT.Arizona.EDU>
Subject:      BEER MIX REPLY 

From: korz at iepubj.att.com
**************************
Cisco writes:
>I have posted a few articles on calculating dispensing pressure with
>different diameter/length tubing. If you drink 5 gallons of homebrew
>within 2 weeks everything works fine. However, if you only drink a
>pint of beer a day, like I do, your beer will eventually become
>overcarbonated because the nice cold temperature at which you dispense
>the beer also allows the beer to absorb more CO2 over time. My kegs, I
>have two on tap all the time, sit for 4 to 6 weeks and could absorb
>quite a bit of CO2. No amount of adjusting CO2 pressure will correct
>this to pour properly. You could disconnect the CO2 and bleed off
>some of it from the kegs and dispense but it's a real pain bleeding
>off dissolved CO2 - it takes time and patience.

I'm sorry, but I must disagree.  If you do the math first and then
choose your hose lengths/widths accordingly, you will not have overcarbonation.
You just must first choose the temperature and the number of volumes you
want in the beer and then choose the pressure, hose lengths, hose diameters
based on the formulas give in HBD back issues and in Dave Millers' very
good article in the 1992 AHA National Conference Proceedings.  If your
beer is overcarbonating, the pressure is too high or (as Jack pointed out)
the temperature may be higher than you think.

***********************************
I'm sorry but I disagree. You obviously have not had any kegs on tap
for any extended length of time to notice the gradual effect of CO2
absorbtion at cold temperatures (if you don't believe this can happen
then you don't believe in the concept of forced carbonation either).
I've been kegging for ten years now and I definitely talk from
experience. Also I was the one that gave formulas in HBD back issues
on calculating pressure, hose lengths/diameters. The calculations
work great if you drink you keg within a few weeks but if you have a
stout on tap that you only drink occasionally it will over time
absorb more CO2. The alternative is the nitrogen/CO2 gas mixture
which slows down the inevitable absorbtion considerably. Someone else
mentioned that all you had to do is turn off your CO2 tank and only
turn it on when the pressure got too low. This will work if you drink
the beer within a few weeks but it will still continue to absorb the
CO2 but at a slower rate than if the gas pressure were left on. I'm
lazy, I don't want to keep turning the gas on & off so I prefer the
nitrogen/CO2 mixture for dispensing. I could also solve this problem
by drinking alot more beer(this is tough with two kegs always on tap!)
but then I drink for quality flavor enjoyment not for quantity.
John

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Date: Thu, 9 Sep 93 12:54:15 CDT
From: jay marshall <marshall at pat.mdc.com>
Subject: used brewpub equipment

Fellow HBD'rs,

A buddy of mine is looking at putting together a brewpub here in Texas now
that they are legal.  He would like to find out if anyone knows of points
of contact for locating used brewing equipment, and what the general
availability of used systems is.  He is interested in getting prices
and general installation costs for 2 - 10 bbl systems.  

Please respond via private email to save HBD bandwidth.

thanks,
- -- 
Jay
marshall at pat.mdc.com


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Date: Thu, 9 Sep 93 11:01:44 PDT
From: 09-Sep-1993 1353 -0400 <ferguson at zendia.enet.dec.com>
Subject: replacing keg gaskets, etc.

I don't think it is totally necessary to replace _all_ of the
gaskets in a soda keg.  I have one soda keg that I've used 3
or so times and the only gaskets I replaced was the lid o-ring 
and the poppet o-rings, for a total cost of less then $1.00.
Never had the taste of soda in _any_ brews dispensed from the
keg.  

The only time I'd suggest replacing more gaskets is if they are
leaking or you are extremely worried about soda flavor in your
brew.  In other words, Relax...

When you get a dirty keg, wash it out really well.  Put boiling
hot H20 with soap and shake it; let it sit over night.  Rinse.
Repeat, hook up the CO2 and dispense, etc.   One thing nice about
stainless is it cleans well.

As for a place to buy parts, I've done business w/ Foxx and BCI.
I like BCI better 'cuz I can call 'em on Monday and have stuff
at my house by Friday.  Although on a couple of occasions, they
have screwed up my order...

BCI:  800-284-9410.

Last I remember, lid o-rings were $0.52, poppet o-rings around
$0.12, etc.  Buy yourself a bunch and you don't have to sweat it
for a while.

JC FERGUSON

"Kegs 'R' Us" :-)
Littleton MA USA

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Date: Wed, 4 Aug 93 20:32:48 GMT
From: Martin Wilde <martin at gamma.intel.com>
Subject: Yeast Washing

When I wash yeast I have a hard time separating the cold break (trub) from
the yeast.  I know that there is a color difference (white for trub - offwhite
for yeast), but I think I end up with some trub in the process.  Is the
whole idea behind the wash to just remove the fermented wort from the
yeast/trub and thats all???

thanks
martin

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Date: Thu, 9 Sep 93 14:06 CDT
From: korz at iepubj.att.com
Subject: Colorless runoff/low extraction/dryhopping

Rob writes, quoting Greg:
>> Here's my question... how important is it that the grain 
>> bed is kept relatively undisturbed while sparging?  Also, will the 
>> liquid turn colorless near the end of the sparge.  Mine didn't.  
> 
            <edited>
>conclusion of sparging; however, if you sparge until the runoff
>is colorless, you may be oversparging.  There are many ways to 
>endpoint your sparging operation.  I use George Fix's rule
>of thumb, that is use 1.25qt water/# grain for the mash and
>use the same amount of sparge water/# grain for sparging. This 
>implies limiting your runoff to 2.5qts sweet wort/# grain.  Another
>way to endpoint your sparge is to taste the wort periodically.
>If the runoff is no longer sweet or has an astringent flavor
>(like iced tea), you should terminate the runoff.  I
>believe you are better off undersparging by a slight amount, 
>rather than risk tannin extraction as a result of oversparging.

I was just reading Beer and Brewing Volume 8 yesterday and ran
across something in Dave Miller's talk.  I believe he said that
at the end of his sparge, he once tasted the runnings and they
tasted like tea (and looked like tea).  On his next batch, he
acidified his sparge water to 5.7pH with 88% Lactic acid (he said
it didn't take much) and on his following batch, the end of
the sparge was nearly colorless.

********************************************
Regarding Greg's low extraction (5 gal of 1024 from 10# of grain),
Miller said in the same talk that the iodine test is unreliable
and that because of it, some people mash out too early -- see my
hazy beer post in HBD 1222.

********************************************

Jeff writes he plans to dryhop his Christmas ale with 3-4oz of
Willamette pellets for 4-6 weeks.

I feel that you should save the pellets for boiling and get some
whole Willamette hops for dryhopping.   Whole hops will float and
thus it will be much easier to rack out from under them than with
pellets.  Also, 3-4 ounces is quite intense for a 5 gallon batch.
I usually use 1/2 to 2 ounces.  Finally, I feel tat 4-6 weeks is
too long, even at 40-45F.  At 65-70F, I recommend 7 to 10 days
and about two to 2.5 weeks for lagering temperatures.  After a
while, I feel that more hop aromatics are escaping from the beer
to the air than are entering the beer from the hops.  This, of
course, is unless you are planning to do this in a sealed container.
You should probably purge any air that you introduce during dryhopping
as oxygen kills hop aroma.

Al.

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Date: 09 Sep 93 14:22:20 -0700
From: mbarre at nomvs.lsumc.edu
Subject: (none)

Jon Palmer iz riet.  Liek Galager, Ie doen't think wee need tue ad
ennee mor wirdz with simpl spelings but funkee proenunceeashunz tue
the Inglish languej.  Let's uez trub.

Miekel frum Nue Orlins


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Date: 9 Sep 93 12:34:00 -0700
From: CAIN_WILLIAM at Tandem.COM
Subject: When should I pick my hops?

I planted some cascade and nugget hops this spring and the
Cascade's are doing great.  While the nuggets have just started to form
cones, the Cascades have cones that are between 1/2" and 3" long.
I've picked a couple and squeezed them, and they do produce a
plesant scent.  I'm thinking that it's time to pick them, but
how can I know for sure?  Also, what is the best way to dry and
store them?  I have been off of the digest for a couple of months
so any suggestions or compilations of previous posts would be
greatly appreciated.

Bill Cain

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Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 13:51:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: Eric Wade <ericwade at CLASS.ORG>
Subject: CF chiller cleaning, cooler mashing, Glatt mill, etc.

COUNTER FLOW CHILLER CLEANING
I'd like a reasonable cleaning and sanitizing procedure for CF chillers. 
I'm considering building one but feel that merely hot water and idophor
probably isn't going to keep it clean over time.  On the other hand, I
don't quite feel like going through the clean-in-place process outlined in
the recent BT issue.  What do the rest of you do?

COOLER MASHING
I've been having some trouble reaching my desired mash temp of 154F by
infusing at a ratio of 1.25 qt H2O  at  175F per pound of grist.  I've also
tried using a ratio of 1/1 and adjusting with boiling water.  When this
didn't work I drew of a fraction of the liquid, boiled and returned to the
mash.  I used this method on a porter that came out highly phenolic.  I
thought this was my first experience with an infected batch but a recent
post (sorry forgot who or when) suggested a link between tannins and
phenols.  Could boiling the dark grains cause a phenolic taste in my brew?
I don't notice other taste/mouthfeel components I associate with tannins. 
Also, I'm thinking of starting with hotter water and adjusting with cold
water or ice if necessary.  Any potential problems with stating with a too
hot mash?  I understand that the enzymes are not detrimentally affected by
short time periods over their active temperature range, correct?

GLATT MILL
I'd like to hear from anyone who has had a chance to use the Glatt mill,
both those who are pleased as well as those who are not.  I think I'll ask
Santa for a mill for Christmas and whould like to know which one to ask for.

PUMP SOURCES
I repeat my request for sources for wort pumps.  Thank you to Jeff Burton
for the lead on the March Manu. pump from C & H.  I got the C & H catalog
but the pump isn't listed, haven't called them yet.  Where did the rest of
you RIMS and other pump using brewers get your pumps?  Is this a secret
society sort of thing; you can't be part of the club until you find a pump
all by yourself?

Please post the pump sources to the Digest, I received several requests
for forwards after my last post on this.  Also, at the risk of a flame
war, I'd like a public discussion on CF cleaning so we get the pros and
cons of the various methods before I choose one.  E-mail is fine for other
info. 

Sorry to be so long winded, its been a while.  TIA.

Eric Wade
<ericwade at class.org> 





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Date: 	Thu, 9 Sep 1993 17:44:30 -0400
From: Bill Flowers <waflowers at qnx.com>
Subject: Hoptech's fruit extracts

In HBD #1219 (I'm almost caught up with my reading, 30 HBD's in 3 days),
Kinney Baughman (BAUGHMANKR at conrad.appstate.edu) wrote:

>Someone asked recently about the best way to make a raspberry flavored 
>beer.  I know you have plenty of raspberries in your backyard but a 
>small plug for the raspberry essence that Mark Garetz of Hoptech 
>sells:  We used it in a raspberry wheat we had on tap at Tumbleweed 
>this summer and it sold like hotcakes!  Mind you, this is a fruit beer 
>in a town that had never heard of fruit beers!  We added the essence 
>at kegging and it imparted a wonderful raspberry fruit flavor to the 
>beer that was true to the flavor of raspberries.  No artificial 
>flavors here.  The best thing about it was that it was simple, simple, 
>simple. 

I have to second this.  I added a carefully measured quantity of the
raspberry to a bottle of really good cyser and did the same using the
cherry in another bottle (I had lots, so I could spare a few bottles).  It
was excellent, absolutely outstanding! Now I can offer the "original" cyser
as well as delicious apple-raspberry and apple-cherry melomels.  :-)

Also, I'm looking forward to finally making (after a long busy spell with
no brewing) a blueberry-wheat beer using the blueberry extract.  Some time
in the future I'll report on this.  The extract sure smells good!

Mark, thanks for offering these excellent products (along with your
wonderful hops) to the homebrew community.

I have no connection with Mark Garetz or Hoptech other than being a very
hoppy ;-) and satisfied customer.
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Date: Thu, 9 Sep 93 17:03 CDT
From: othon at ial7.jsc.nasa.gov (Bill Othon.LinCom)
Subject: Scotland/Wales/Ireland

I plan to visit the Celtic lands of Scotland, Wales, and Ireland. Any
suggestions about breweries or brew pubs in these areas would be
greatly appreciated. Also, I remember reading about a compilation of
pub locations somewhere on the network; please repost the location of
this toothsome database.

Thanks
 -Bill
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Date: Thu, 9 Sep 1993 15:41:18 -0700
From: Ken Michael Johnson <kmj at leland.Stanford.EDU>
Subject: homebrew stores near Palo Alto?

Does anyone know of a good homebrew store near Palo Alto.  I've been
to Fermentation Frenzy, and I was not impressed.  I'd like some place
with open bins of all grains and a good mill for the optional grinds.  A
good selection of hops would be nice too.

please e-mail me directly

thanks

kj

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Date: Thu, 09 Sep 1993 22:05:41 ADT
From: PAUL MACDONALD <PMD_VS at ac.nsac.ns.ca>
Subject: New Brewer.

I would like to know the best book for a beginning brewer.  Thank-you!

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Date: Thu, 9 Sep 93 23:28:07 CDT
From: hinz at tidalwave.med.ge.com (David Hinz (hinz at picard.med.ge.com))
Subject: Radlett, England pubs? / OLD bottle cleaning

Greetings!

I may be travelling for several months to Radlett, England, on business
in the near future.  The tasting opportunities are overwhelming, and I
would really appreciate any hints, tips, or suggestions as to places to
go while in the area (like Belgium, for instance ;-)  ), and so on.
Brand names would be great.

Also, what are the laws regarding hand-carrying ale&beer through UK & US
customs?  How much, if at all, can I bring?


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I recently found about a dozen old clear, green, and brown beer bottles
mouldering around in a barn floor.  There's green stuff growing inside
at least the clear ones, and I assume the rest as well.  I soaked them for
a couple of days in soapy water, and am planning to put them in a 5-gallon
pail of bleach water for a few weeks/months.  Anything besides this to try?
I'd hate to use my nice bottle brush on this scuzzy stuff.

The clear bottles will be nice!  Someone here (thanks, someone) posted that
they use one clear bottle per batch, and use that as their last bottle -
kind of a ceremonial type of thing.  Well, I've got 5 or 6 of them now, so 
that might hold me for a while, thanks for the great idea!


Dave Hinz

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End of HOMEBREW Digest #1223, 09/10/93