HOMEBREW Digest #1563 Thu 27 October 1994

Digest #1562 Digest #1564

		Rob Gardner, Digest Janitor

  William Large Keg Rings (Phil Brushaber)
  NJ Homebrew Shops (Dennis Forester)
  Using corn (maize) ("Mark A. Melton")
  Malt instead of Corn Sugar? (kelly williams)
  HBD Hardcopy Edition (Clay Glenn)
  CAMRA Real Beer(?) Guide (Gorman)
  Re: Pale Ale Hops (Tel +44 784 443167)
  Re: Wits and decoctions (Jim Busch)
  Re: Wit beer synopsis (Spencer.W.Thomas)
  re: Not to style & winning homebrew contests .. (Glenn Anderson)
  What I saw in the Houtson A-B hop room (Sean Lamb)
  Re: labels (John Adams)
  Mashing (Un)malted Wheat (David Cutkosky)
  Bread suggestions from a pro (Nancy.Renner)
  Labels (Nancy.Renner)
  steam, orange bags (/R=HERLVX/R=AM/U=KLIGERMAN/FFN=KLIGERMAN/)
  AHA Contest Rules / Conflicts of Interest (Tom Baier)
  hop sources (Greg Niznik)
  Coleman Pt II ("Jim Robinson")
  Briess 2 row specs (Glenn Anderson)
  Sam Houston vs. Sam Adams (Fred Waltman)
  Bread Recipe ("A. Sturdivant \"Sturdy\" McKee")
  Wheat in a Wit ("Jeff M. Michalski, MD")
  Jim Koch saga continues... (LBRISTOL)
  grain mill question (Ray Gaffield)
  1st place at Dixie Cup (RON)
  National Judging/ Coleman Coolers ("David Sapsis")
  Blonde/Golden Ale (Mark Gryska)

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---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 16:56:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Phil Brushaber <pbrush at netcom.com> Subject: William Large Keg Rings This is not an ad for Williams brewing, but they seem to be the only distributor of the product for which I would like some feedback. No matter how often I change out that large ring on my kegs I still get leaks. The product that Williams carries (you know the one for about $5.50) claims to be larger in diameter and softer to assure a much better seal. At five times the standard price, they are a rip off if they don't help. On the other hand if they work, they're a bargain. Any advice before I spring for these puppies? -- Phil pbrush at netcom.com Return to table of contents
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 94 22:36:04 EST From: Dennis Forester <X6OT at MUSIC.STLAWU.EDU> Subject: NJ Homebrew Shops Someone made a post a few days ago about a Shop In Morristown, NJ called Hop & Vine. I would like to give my input on this and other shops in NJ and ask any other Members of HBD to either post thier impresions or e-mail them to me. I am trying to compile this info only for my own info in my quest of the best shop in NJ to Frequent. i.e. best prices, selections, friendliness and helpfulness. Hop & Vine Morristown, NJ I felt that the store looked very nice and that was about all. IMHO the prices were high and the selection was poor. This is a relatively new store and this may improve with age but I don't think that thay will be around long enough to improve. Brewmeister Cranford, NJ This store had better prices but the selection was not great. The thing that I disliked the most about this store was the staff people that helped me. He was loud, annoying and not seem very knowledgable and and I got the feeling he was making up answers for things he did not know. Home Brewery Bagota, NJ This store has a pretty good selection and decent prices. The staff is fairly knowledgable but they are the most arogant SOB's I have ever met when it come to brewing. I went to this store only a few times and I plan never to go back there. I bought my starting equipment from them because I knew of none other at the time. When I went in to ask question they barely would give me the time of day because I was not advanced enough for them. My impression of them was that they believe themselves to be beer GURU's and if you have not brewed for 5 years and know as much as they think they do they wont waste there time with you. U-Brew Maplewood, NJ This is the store that at this time I do most of my shopping. They have a great selection and their pricing is VERY good. The owners are very knowledgable and they will spent as much time as they can with me to try and help me with any problems I may be having. Another thing that I like about them is that they are not afraid to admit that they do not know everything there is to know about brewing. I came in with a problem once that they were not sure about. They had a few calls while I was waiting to some of their suppliers and I got the answer to my question. The one draw back to this store is it's location. The neighborhood is not the greatest especialy at night.(BTW tey are open until 9pm Tu-Fr) But it seems that that problem will soon be solved. I went there Sunday for supplies and they informed me that by Nov. 10th thay would be in a new store On Millburn Ave. in Millburn Center, a MUCH better area. I can not wait to see there new store. They also assured me that their move would not raise their prices. Wine Rack Flanders, NJ This is a liqour store that has a small corner of the store to use to diplay Homebrewing suplies. The selection is very small and the prices are very high. Unless you live in the area don't waste your time going there. Barnegat Bay Brewing Co. Toms River, NJ This store has a nice selection and the prices are average(Some high, some low) and the people were pretty helpfull and friendly. I have only been to this store once(It is in South Jersey and I live in North Jersey) so I don't have much to say about it. I probaly won't have an oppurtunity to get back to this one until the summer when I hit the beach. Red Bank Brewing Supply Red Bank, NJ This shop is a good one but it is also quit aways from my house in North Jersey but it is a pretty good one. They have an above average selection and their prices are decent. The staff seems to be helpfull and friendly. We travels have me going to the Red Bank area on occasion and if I need something while there I always stop in. So far it seems that U-Brew is my winner for many reason. Well that is what I have so far. All of these store's phone numbers and adresses are in the most recent issue of Zymurgy so please post or e-mail anything that you may have feeling about these or other NJ stores Thanks a lot!! BTW no affiliation with any of the stores in NJ; Just looking for info. Oh yeah HOPPY BREWING! ;-) ! TIA, Dennis Return to table of contents
Date: 25 Oct 94 18:51:43 EDT From: "Mark A. Melton" <75452.277 at compuserve.com> Subject: Using corn (maize) Lowell Hart asked about using corn (maize) and rice in brewing. I've had some experience using corn. 1. Cornstarch, 1 lb. Use with NO LESS than 4 lbs. 6-row malt; be sure to do a starch test during the mash to make cer- tain all the starch is converted, otherwise a stuck sparge is sure to result. 2. Corn grits, yellow or white. Must be boiled for a couple of hours to a mush. 3. Masa or masa harina, nixtamal, corn tortillas: no no no!!! Processed in caustic solution and have distinctive odor you probably don't want. 4. Whole grain: try your organic foods store and see if they have bulk popcorn. This can be sprouted (malted) and dried then ground like malt. I would use the same proportions as in #1 as I doubt if it would have enough enzymes to convert itself. It can also be roasted for additional flavor a la tezwin or tesquin. 5. Cornflakes: probably no no --look at the ingredients and if there is only corn and salt then it might be OK, but very expensive. Return to table of contents
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 22:29:48 -0700 (PDT) From: kelly williams <kwilliam at potlatch.esd112.wednet.edu> Subject: Malt instead of Corn Sugar? In the bottling stage instead of using corn sugar, you can use malt.... How much malt do you use? and what procedure do you use to introduce that to the bottling stage. Any reply would be greatly appreciated. Kwilliams at potlatch.wednet.esd112.edu Return to table of contents
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 1994 22:38:39 -0700 (PDT) From: clayglen at netcom.com (Clay Glenn) Subject: HBD Hardcopy Edition Cyber Age Publishing is an Internet access provider with a twist. We provide access to selected Internet features via hardcopy medium. By collecting, compiling, organizing, and condensing specialized information and distributing it on the printed page, we make these features more accessible, easier to use, and easier to archive than the original on-line source for many users. For several years, the Homebrew Digest has been a vital resource to home brewers around the world for information on equipment, ingredients, technique and general appreciation for the home brewing hobby. It has been an important forum for the exchange of ideas and opinions about beer and the world of brewing. Until now, access to this versatile arena of knowledge has been limited to computer users with Internet electronic mail access. Cyber Age Publishing is now market testing the Hardcopy Edition of The Homebrew Digest. A full month of the Digests are compiled with a full Table of Contents and cross-referenced with a detailed Index. A few "extras" like FAQ files and other special "bonus" features are thrown in for good measure and printed in a spiral bound "lay flat" format of over 150 pages. For more details about the Homebrew Digest Hardcopy Edition, please reply directly via e-mail, or write to the publisher: Cyber Age Publishing 1835 Newport Boulevard, G182 #263-HBD Costa Mesa, California 92627 Thanks for reading and happy brewing! Clay Glenn, Editor - -- \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\ O >>> Clay Glenn clayglen at netcom.com >>> /|\ /////////////////////////////////////////// /'\ Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 02:46:35 -0400 From: Gorman at aol.com Subject: CAMRA Real Beer(?) Guide I've meant to send for the CAMRA Real Beer Guide(?) for a long time.Now I find that I'm headed to London on business this weekend and I don't have it. Advice via private email on where to buy this book in: (1) Washington, DC, (2) Heathrow Airport, (3) central London, (4) anywhere, is tremendously appreciated. Any other UK beer guide advice is also appreciated. Thanks, Bill Gorman gorman at aol.com Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 11:30:53 +0000 From: Brian Gowland <B.Gowland at rhbnc.ac.uk> (Tel +44 784 443167) Subject: Re: Pale Ale Hops In HBD 1562, mlm01 at intgp1.att.com (Michael L Montgomery +1 708 979 4132) wrote: > > [Cut for brevity] > Is there an unwritten rule that an India Pale Ale has to have English > Hops? The only thing that I would say is that IPA is an English category of beer and maybe that is the reason for the judging criteria. In saying that, however, the various UK breweries that currently list an IPA use a variety of hopes including some European. The majority do use typically English hops though, such as Fuggles, Goldings and WGV. Cheers, Brian Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 09:39:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Jim Busch <busch at daacdev1.stx.com> Subject: Re: Wits and decoctions BrewerLee at aol.com writes: > Subject: Wit beer synopsis > >wheat needs to be pre-cooked. I suggest that you do pre-cook the wheat in >order >to insure gelatinization as the wheat must be included in the mash for a >protein >rest and it is doubtful that the gelatinization would be complete at those >low >temperatures in the time alloted for the rest. > > The Mash: > >A decoction mash would be the traditional method for this style. Include in >your >mash schedule a 45 minute protein rest at a temperature between 117-126 deg >F. Hoegaarden Wit is not made with a decoction mash. I have direct info from a brewer there, this is a misconception. Also, the claim that raw wheat needs to be gelatinizied is not correct. My first Wit did this and was a disaster. My second employed multiple protein rests and lautered fine, as well as yielded the correct extract. I would also start with 1g/litre of corriander and work up from there. Jim Busch Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 94 09:54:57 EDT From: Spencer.W.Thomas at med.umich.edu Subject: Re: Wit beer synopsis Good summary, Lee. I have a couple of points of minor disagreement (so what's new?-) BrewerLee at aol.com wrote about Wit beer synopsis: > I have not been able to find two sources that agree on the > gelatinization temperature of wheat nor whether the wheat needs to > be pre-cooked. My experience is that the wheat does not have to be precooked. This based on three batches. In the first batch I cooked the wheat. In the other two I did not. I didn't see any appreciable difference in extraction rates between the batches. If anything, the batch with precooked wheat had a slightly lower rate (but was also earlier in my "experience curve"). > Yeast: > Yeast Labs, WYeast, BrewTek and probably others have specific > strains for Wit Beers. The one from BrewTek has been highly > recommended. I have to disagree. Dan McConnell & I did a "Wit Ola", where we split a 15 gallon batch into 5 3-gallon fermenters and pitched 5 yeasts. The BrewTek yeast produced a nice, but a bit bland, result. Our favorite when fresh was the "Blanche de Bruges" yeast (which is now the YeastLab strain). However, after some bottle time, we now prefer yeast from Dentergems (Riva Blanche). I don't know if there's a commercial source for this yeast, although I bet you could get it from Yeast Culture Kit Company (i.e., Dan). (Disclaimer: I have no financial interest in either YeastLab or YCKC, but Dan is a good friend of mine.) =Spencer in Ann Arbor, MI Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 10:23:15 -0400 From: gramps at interlog.com (Glenn Anderson) Subject: re: Not to style & winning homebrew contests .. Chris says: >From: Chris Lyons <Chris.Lyons at analog.com> >Subject: Not to style & winning homebrew contests ... >Regarding the topic of people winning homebrew competitions by >entering brews not to style ... > >I had an interesting conversation with a BJCP certified judge >in which he mentioned, that in general, you have to accentuate >the ingredients in your brew in order to win a competition. >He gave as an example, using a significantly greater amount >of hops in a pale ale. The reasoning ... you need to make >you beer stand out from the rest of the crowd. Apparently the >judges will taste several different beers (especially in the pale >ale category), and you need to do something to make your's stand >out. You know, I'd have to agree with this statement. Last spring I entered 5 different styles to the Canadian Amateur Brewing Assoc. spring competition, with the intention that the BJCP judges would need "a little extra" in each of the styles to make them stand out from the other excellent beers they were evaluating. All of the beers rated in the 30's, which I was reasonably satisfied with, but on the comment sheets all of the beers had comments stating they were either "slightly too hoppy for style" or "slightly too malty for style". I would guess that at a thumbnail I had increased flavor (mid/finish hops and aromatic malts) by about 10% without increasing OG or IBU significantly. The judges response: "try cutting back about 10%!..... Caveat Brewor... Glenn Anderson Manager, Telecommunications Facilities, BCS Sun Life Of Canada EMAIL: GRAMPS at INTERLOG.COM Return to table of contents
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 1994 13:07:07 -0500 (CDT) From: Sean Lamb <SLAMB at lrlmccer.jsc.nasa.gov> Subject: What I saw in the Houtson A-B hop room steve at snake.appl.wpafb.af.mil (Steve Zabarnick) wrote in HBD 1558: >A friend of mine works for a major US hop broker and importer. This company >sells hops to the major brewers as well as many of the micros. He has told >me that Anheuser-Busch puchases large quantities of Cascades and uses them >along with a variety of other hops in beers such as Budweiser. Our homebrew club had a tour of the Houston A-B beer factory in late August of this year. I saw the following types of hops in the hop room (per the labels on the walls behind the bales): Hallertauer Hersbrucker Tettnanger Cascade Yakima Willamette Banner Alsace Saaz "Special" Saaz Spalt Lublin Jura Aquila We also saw cans of hop extract in on the brewhouse floor. As our guide said "Auggie Busch ("the first", I suppose) is spinning in his grave". Sean Lamb -- slamb at lrlmccer.jsc.nasa.gov -- Houston, TX Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 09:01:45 -0600 From: John Adams <j_adams at hpfcjca.sde.hp.com> Subject: Re: labels I use regular bonded paper in either color laser/deskjet printer. I recommend using a glue stick to adhere the label to the bottle. It's easy to apply and comes of very easy with a quick soak in the sink of warm water. You can also use milk (yes milk). Use a paint brush and *lighty* paint the label with the milk. Once it drys it works great and is also easily removed. There are two disadvantages with milk. You might get the label too wet when you apply the milk and the label will wrinkle somewhat (that's why you must *lightly* apply the milk). It also does have the immediate bond the glue stick has. I use a rubberband to hold the label in place until the milk drys. John Adams Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 10:12:36 -0400 From: davidc at interaccess.com (David Cutkosky) Subject: Mashing (Un)malted Wheat I want to do an all grain wheat beer this weekend. Being new to all grain beers, I have a couple of questions about using wheat as part of my grain bill. The setup I currently have is the Gott cooler with copper manifold. I have done several single step infusion mashes and have been quite pleased. The questions are: What is the difference between unmalted wheat and wheat malt? Does each require a different process? Do I need to add an extra step(s) when mashing wheat with ~50% American 2-row malt? I have seen references to having the wheat pre-cooked before mixing in with your mash. What is the method for pre-cooking wheat? Can I just grind the wheat with my 2-row malt and crystal and hold at ~155 *F and wait for conversion? Is this a bad idea? Any help would be appreciated. - -- David Dammit Jim, I'm a homebrewer davidc at interaccess.com not a doctor! Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 94 11:16:44 EDT From: Nancy.Renner at um.cc.umich.edu Subject: Bread suggestions from a pro (From *Jeff* Renner) After several questions again about bread from spent grains, I suppose that as resident professional bread baker, it is my duty to make suggestions. I hope the interest in general enough to justify the bandwidth. I really don't like to use spent grains, myself. The husks are really not very easily chewed, being largely cellulose. But if you must, here are some ideas. jc (ferguson at zendia.enet.dec.com) is right in that bread making isn't rocket science, or even brewing. However, a little more attention to precision than he recommends is perhaps prudent. His recipe: >3c white flour >1c wheat flour >2c brew grains (or so) >1/2c sugar >1 1/2c of warm H20 >yeast >make a yeast starter. >while that is frothing away, mix flour and crap together. >add yeast/h20 to flour. kneed. you may have to add more >flour to make it right. (i'm guessing on the amts here). >BAKE for 40mins at 375; put tin foil over the top of the loaf >for the last 15 mins or so. jc has left out an important ingredient - salt. That is like hops in beer. He has also neglected to specify how much yeast, and for my taste, 1/2 c. of sugar would make exceedingly sweet bread, and would also result in rapid browning, which is why he has to cover the top at the end of the bake. Here is a basic bread recipe that I teach in bread baking class (makes two big loaves). When students master the basic recipe, they substitute all kinds of stuff like potatoes, cheese, nuts, jalapenos, oatmeal, etc. ~2-1/2 lb any flour or mix of flours (6-8 cups depending on your hand) 3 c liquid 1 T salt 1-2 pkts yeast ( at 1/4 oz.) 3/4 T = 1/4 oz.(less = more flavor but slower) (looks like Reinheitsgebot, doesn't it?) Optional: Up to 1/4 c sweetener for unsweet bread, up to 3/4 c for sweet. 1/4 c malt or honey would be nice for a spent grains bread. Up to 1/4 c oil or fat for lean bread, more for rich one. Other ingredients can be substituted or added. Example, drained spent grains would both substitute (for part of the liquid) and add (the dry portion, assuming none of that would act like flour). You'd have to estimate how much liquid was in your grains and reduce the amount in the recipe accordingly. I'd start with 3 c drained, fluffy, spent grain and reduce water maybe 1/4 cup. High protein (such as bread) flours and high fiber (whole grain) flours need more water than white all purpose. These proportions are about right for bread flour and/or a portion of whole wheat. Rehydrate the yeast in 1/4 cup water (105-115^F) with 1/2 t sugar for osmotic purposes (yields ~10% more viable rehydrated yeast cells). Add salt to balance of water (room temp). Add all ingredients except half of flour to a bowl, stir until fairly smooth. Stir in ~half of remaining flour until too stiff to easily stir. Flour your work surface and dump dough onto it, Knead up to eight minutes, adding more flour as needed, but don't add too much. You want a smooth, not stiff dough (should feel like your earlobe when done, or a baby's bottom). Let double covered in bowl at least once (twice is optional for more flavor, punch down between ). Shape into two loaves (5x9 pan) Put into greased pan, cover, let double. Bake 375 35-40 minutes. Remove from pans and cool on rack. E-mail me a slice, or at least your results. Jeff in Ann Arbor c/o nerenner at umich.edu Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 94 11:18:18 EDT From: Nancy.Renner at um.cc.umich.edu Subject: Labels (From *Jeff* Renner Peter Hadikin wants a source of gummed labels to run through a laser printer. I thought that my private e-mail answer to him might be of general interest: Peter - The answer to your label problem isn't gummed labels, but a much simpler one - milk! Actually, skimmed milk is best. It makes a great label glue for plain paper. Just dab some on the back of a plain paper label, or even dip the whole thing. Then put it on the bottle and smooth it out. When it dries, you have a beautifully applied label at low cost. To remove, just soak briefly in (warm) water. Of course, they'll also come off if you cool the bottles in ice/water. Skimmed milk is best because the fat in whole milk could make the paper translucent. Jeff in Ann Arbor c/o nerenner at umich.edu Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 11:27:34 -0400 (EDT) From: /R=HERLVX/R=AM/U=KLIGERMAN/FFN=KLIGERMAN/ at mr.rtpnc.epa.gov Subject: steam, orange bags I'm planning on doing an all grain steam beer this weekend. I'll be using D-C Lager malt. Does anyone have any suggestions on what type of mash schedule I should use (i.e., decoction, infusion, step infusion?) Has anyone thought of using that plastic orange mesh that oranges come in as a cone or plug hop bag for dry hopping? Does anyone know if this plastic is alcohol resistant and color-fast? TIA, Andy KLigerman (alternate e-mail address: homebre973 at aol.com Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 08:53:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Tom Baier <BAIER_T at SALT.PLU.EDU> Subject: AHA Contest Rules / Conflicts of Interest Pity me. I am VP of a WINE (and beer) club. In my ongoing efforts to get appropriate respect for our brewing brethren, I have recently had the following altercation: We sponsor a relatively large (250+ entries) AHA SCP each year at the Western Washington Fair. Wineguys are asking that we exclude from judging anyone who has entered any beer in the competition, regardless of categories judged or entered. They say it 'looks bad'. My position is that we can (and do) insure that no judge will evaluate beers in a category he has entered, and that excluding judges would diminish the number of entries by 20% (guess). Can anyone provide AHA or BJCP actual written guidelines on this issue? How about a whole slew of opinions from more experienced contest-organizers? Any help gratefully accepted. BTW - cows go absolutely nuts over spent/mashed grain. It's the ultimate in recycling. Tom Baier - Tacoma, WA - BAIER_T at SALT.PLU.EDU Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 94 12:23:49 EDT From: Greg Niznik <GENIZN01 at ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU> Subject: hop sources Graduate Student Phone: 852-5756 This may be redundant, but could someone please give the addressess, phone numbers of the mail order companies you have been talking about. This would be especially nice for the hop suppliers that have been discussed recently. In addition, does anyone have a good recepie for smoke beer? I'm really new to this game, so an extract recepie would be appreciated. Thanks in advance Greg Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 94 12:26:28 EST From: RICH LAPMAN <RLAPHAM at MUSIC.FERRIS.EDU> Subject: Re: SUBSCRIPTION STATUS (October 2 6, 1994) PLEASE TAKE MY NAME OFF YOUR LIST. THANK YOU, RICH LAPHAM Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 94 10:46:19 PST From: "Jim Robinson" <Jim_Robinson at ccmailsmtp.ast.com> Subject: Coleman Pt II Gary, Gary, Gary. What are you talking about? Referring to a cooler as a puddle of slag is a bit extreme eh? I suppose in the middle of mash #23 it just melted down huh?? "Help!! I'm drowning in boiling hot barley water". Seriously, I'm just kidding and I appreciate your feedback. I noticed you did not specify which Coleman model you were using. The Standard model (El-Cheapo) is a poor candidate for a mashing vessel. The Industrial Model, which in fact is the one I have been talking about, is MUCH nicer. I think you may have the Standard model because you comment on the insulation being pulled apart. The only way you could see the insulation on the Industrial model is to cut this unit in half. The liner is bonded into the plastic. What shape is yours anyway? Round or Cube? Another data point is cost. If it is proved that the Coleman is good for only about "more than 20 mashes" as you state, then it's good for about 125 gallons of beer. This is about what I brew in 3+ years (Yes, as a matter of fact I do have 2 small children, how'd ya guess?). At $22.95 I can buy 2 for the price of the Gott, and have enough pocket change for a sixer of Celis White (Yummy). At any rate, I think there is enough interest in this issue for me to make the ultimate sacrifice. I certainly don't have time to do 16 batches in the next week or so, so I will try a little experiment. I'm going to put 150-170 degree hot water in my Coleman CONTINUOUSLY for the next 48 hours!!!! Hey Gary, Can you say "Slag Puddle"!! See ya in a couple o' days. Jim Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 13:50:50 -0400 From: gramps at interlog.com (Glenn Anderson) Subject: Briess 2 row specs I received the spec sheet for Briess 2 Row malt today and thought I'd post it for those interested. I usually use Canada Malting 2 row and for comparison I will include relevant numbers in parenthesis next to the Briess numbers. Analytical Specifications: Growth: 95+ Glassy/Half Glassy/Mealy: 1% / 4% / 95% Plump: 80% minimum Thin: 2% maximum Moisture: 4.0% (3.9%) Extract, f.g., d.b.: 80.5% minimum (78.5%) Extract, coarse/fine diff: 1.8% maximum (1.4%) Color: 1.8L (1.76L) Diastatic Power: 140 Lintner (120 Lintner) Alpha Amalyse, D.U.: 46 (50.9) Total Protein d.b.:12.0-12.5% (10.9%) S/T Protein: 44% (45.7%) Grain Blend: Harrington, Klages and Crystal (Harrington and Manley) As you can see the difference between the Briess malt and the Canada Malting malt is fairly insubstantial (IMO). The only real differences that I can see are the grain variety blends, the extra Diastatic power (although CM is higher in AA) and the extra ~2% proteins. The cost is about double for Briess malt vs. Canada Malting malt. I would be interested if anyone could indicate why I would want to spend the extra money on the Briess 2 row. The vendor states that "70% of those surveyed us Briess..." and 96% of the gold, silver and bronze awards at the GABF are awarded to breweries that use Briess". ....Glenn Glenn Anderson Manager, Telecommunications Facilities, BCS Sun Life Of Canada EMAIL: GRAMPS at INTERLOG.COM Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 11:10:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Fred Waltman <waltman at netcom.com> Subject: Sam Houston vs. Sam Adams Bruce DeBolt tells us about the battle between Waterloo Brewing and BBC: I remember reading somewhere (can't remember) that Mr Koch had trademarked the names of many historical figures as beer names. I had figured that they were probably Revolutionary era people, but obviously his reach is farther. One point in Jim Kochs favor. Every time I went by the BBC booth at the GABF he was there pouring beers and chatting with people. Didn't see any other "names" doing that. Did anybody else? Out of curiosity, does anybody know when a persons name and likeness goes into the public domain? I would assume I would get a sharp response if I started selling "Elvis Beer." One last point, the SA Triple Bock served at the GABF had been aged in the barrel for year. It tasted much better than the stuff in the bottles. Fred Waltman Culver City Home Brewing Supply Co. waltman at netcom.com Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 12:10:48 -0700 (PDT) From: "A. Sturdivant \"Sturdy\" McKee" <sturdy at itsa.ucsf.EDU> Subject: Bread Recipe I was recently inspired by Redhook's Spent Grain Bread to try some of my own. This coincides nicely with Aaron's request for a spent grain recipe. 1 to 1 1/2 cups spent grain 1 egg 1 c sugar 1 c milk 1/2 c warm water bread yeast all purpose flour Mix the milk, water, sugar, egg and yeast in a large bowl. Add spent grain and mix well. Begin adding flour 1 c at a time until you end up with a dough consistency you can knead (about 6-7c). Knead once. Seperate into two. Place in slightly greased bread pans and let rise about one hour or until bread is about 1/2 inch above pan top. Bake at 375F for 45 minutes. Makes a fairly heavy brown bread. Make sure to use bread yeast (dry active) to minimize your rising time. I tried this the first time with a starter and it took way too long to rise. It also turned out too heavy. Bread yeast worked much better, giving a nice heavy bread, but not a door stop. Holiday ideas are add cinnamon, nutmeg, cardamon or anything else. Substitute honey for some of the sugar if you like. Toss in some extra sugar with your spices to make a nice sweet breakfast toast. Good luck, Sturdy P.S. Oh yeah... Hoppy brewing! Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 94 14:27:06 -0500 From: "Jeff M. Michalski, MD" <michalski_jm at rophys.wustl.edu> Subject: Wheat in a Wit Yesterday, Lee Bussy presented a great synopsis on his search for the ideal Wit Biere recipe. He said he was unable to find any definite description on the gelatinization of the unmalted wheat. In Phil Seitz's summary on brewing Belgian ales nothing is said about gelatinization. The description of the Wit biere mash in that series suggests a long protein rest but no mention of cooking the wheat before the mash is made. I have found hard winter wheat in a local specialty grocery store for less than $1/lb. I was tempted to try this stuff but the gelatinization step is not clear to me. I would like to avoid buying wheat flakes at $2/lb at a homebrew shop but would consider it if the gelatinization of raw wheat is a pain in the neck. Does anyone have any experience in the cooking/gelatinization of raw wheat prior to a Wit biere mash? Is this necessary or will a find grind suffice? If it is necessary, how is it done? TIA JEFF M. MICHALSKI michalski_jm at rophys.wustl.edu Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 94 14:06:24 CDT From: LBRISTOL at SYSUBMC.BMC.COM Subject: Jim Koch saga continues... As quoted from Southwest Brewing News (SWBN): > They recommended that the Austin publican stop calling his beer Sam > Houston's Austin Lager, given that further use will constitute 'intent'. I don't know what them damnyankees up in Boston(ptui) may think is proper, but I can guarantee you that no judge here in the Great State o' Texas is going to let no damnyankee get away this horsehockey. We don't cotton to no damnyankee messin' around with one of the good ol' boys. I ain't never liked none of that "Boston(ptui) Lager" no how! We just might have to get us a rope and learn this here Jim Koch feller a lesson! Don't you go messin' with Texas, you hear, boy? - -------------------------------------------------------- | Larry Bristol | DON'T PANIC! | | SYSUBMC.BMC.COM | A true Hitchhiker always knows | | (713)918-7802 | where his towel is. | - -------------------------------------------------------- Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 94 14:46:11 -0500 From: ray_gaffield at il.us.swissbank.com (Ray Gaffield) Subject: grain mill question I am trying to decide on a grain mill to purchase and I have narrowed down my search to the MaltMill(tm) products , partly because of local availabilty. It seems that alot of people, according to my local suppliers, are quite happy with the fixed (non-adjustable) model and even recommend it for beginner grain brewers. What I would like to know is: will I eventually "outgrow" this mill i.e. will I need an adjustable mill later as I get more ambitious with grain brewing ? Thanx, Ray Gaffield Swiss Bank Corporation, Chicago. Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1994 16:02 EST From: RON.admin at admin.creol.ucf.edu (RON) Subject: 1st place at Dixie Cup Not to gloat but i took a 1st and 2nd in Texas Dark California Brown something category at this years Dixie Cup. Someone told me that winning a 1st at Dixe Cup gets me a bye to the 2nd round in the National Competition. All categories??? Could someone please verify this for me. p.s.- wasn't thrilled with the 1st place 11oz glass mug compared to last years steins or Bluebonnets steins! ron at laser.creol.ucf.edu Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 94 14:54:33 CST From: "David Sapsis" <dbsapsis at nature.Berkeley.EDU> Subject: National Judging/ Coleman Coolers Spencer, Chris, and Ullick (and others) have adressed the "appropriate for style" element in judging, and an apparent lack of conformity in the recent national competition. All raise interesting points as to where the problem lies. Let me add a few thoughts. Those of us that have been involved in judging know it isn't all that easy. Particularly when you are faced with comparing wide styles/substyles and any time the number of entries is greater than about 6. The comments regarding pallate decay are quite valid. Stronger, more assertive beers tend to dominate because they do stand out. However, I believe it is up to the judge to determine the bounds of the style, and stand by those bounds to the level as is in concordance with the judging format. That is, when a beer is good, mark it as such, and even though good but out of style, mark it down as such. In the standard 50 pt. scheme, I feel that, for instance, 1070 beers in the Scottish category would be perceptible as deviating from style in all point groups except appearance. Ultimately, it is up to judge to independently assess to what degree to mark down deviations from style. However, overall quality of the beer vs. appropriateness to style are double edged swords -- i.e., at what point do you stop worrying about whether this copper colored beer is just too dark to be an IPA ("geez, I thought all IPA's were blond...") and taste how good a beer it seems. In the AHA's never ending schisms of categories, some styles are becoming so anally defined as to loose the practical reason a lot of us homebrew: to revel in diversity. And the problem is a lot of judges get swept up in it. Now, not all styles suffer from this problem. Some are naturally more restrictive than others, e.g., Bohemian Pilsner vs. Stout. However, even within stout the substyles may span an enormous range, but there is little widely excepted criteria for sub-styles. The problem is compounded by a wide range of examples used for comparison. For example, one person may judge dry stout based on its approximation of draft Guinness, another as it compares to bottled Guinness, and a third to Full Sail's Mainsail stout. All are good examples of dry stouts, but taste very different. I discourage the suggestion that one brew particularly a certain way to gain advantage in competitions -- at least as long as it deviates from your own liking. To me, this practice appears disengenuous, not unlike participating in political activism based on peer considerations as opposed to genuine beliefs. The problem of session beers not getting their fair share should be addressed not by brewing faux-sessions, but developing judges capable of determining some appropriate level of faulting due to deviations from accepted style guidlines. One clear avenue toward this end is to limit the number of samples a single judge has to evaluate at a sitting. It is impossible to give quality impressions on 12 barleywines at once, and the BJCP needs to recognize this. Also, judges need to be able to differentiate 1070 beers from 1045 beers, and not go hog wild after a series of neutral samples on one with big flavor, unless of course the style suggests big flavor. I have found that quick evaluation and very limited volume of sampling goes a long way in aiding my determinations. That is, I try to quickly evaluate the overall the gestalt of the beer and its relative appropriateness, and give it a ballpark total score -- I do not first systematically fill out each little compartment. I think that tends to dillute the original, and often most accurate sense of the beers worth. I then fill in the compartments, tally up and compare it to my original score. Where they deviate I generally favor my original impression. One problem with getting to analytical is that you tend to confuse yourself, and in an attempt to clarify, all you do is drink more, thus further diluting your pallate. Say I'm judging in a category, and I run across an excellent beer that appears clearly out of style. My score for the beer is say 34, but would have been 40-42 in its proper category. Does this beer win a ribbon? Well that depends on the quality of the other beers its being compared to. Really any competition is more a relational test (which is best?), more than an absolute one (which are good?). So I guess what I'm saying is that I view deviations from style as worth about 5-7 points demerit. Maybe we should start a discussion as to finding some acceptably agreed upon amount. Last year I entered nationals for the first time (after brewing for 11 years). I entered what I though was the best beer I had made all year -- a Russian Imperial Stout (og 1093). It recieved what I thought were fair score: mean of 39 I think. However, all three judges felt it was not an Imperial, but rather a Foreign style Stout. It did not advance. I can only hope that their percieved deviations from style were included in the scoring, and that when compared to others just did not add up. There is simply no other way to address the problem of percieved inaapropriateness. The fact that it was percieved as innapropriate is a whole different matter, and I believe speaks to both proceedure (ie, pallate fatigue) as well as training emphasis on style guidlines over sensory evaluation that is wholesale evident in the BJCP. In any event, I believe that the issue needs to be adddressed on both the procedural and evaluation fronts, and this dialogue is a good begining. ******** Gary wrote about the Coleman Coolers not lasting. I have used these since 1987, and am on my third one. On average they last about 70 mashes (for me) before significant delamination from the foam. Maybe not all Coleman's are created equal. Just one datum. - --dave Return to table of contents
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 94 18:09:05 EDT From: Mark Gryska <mark at vicorp.com> Subject: Blonde/Golden Ale In HOMEBREW Digest #1562 Spencer.W.Thomas at med.umich.edu writes: > Does anyone know what a "Blonde Ale" is supposed to be? And why can't > anyone brew it??? You can find a description of Blonde/Golden Ale in Ekhardt's Beer Style Guide. My impression of this style is that it is very much like an Extra Special Bitter but lighter in color, higher carbonation and hopped with American rather than British or Continental Hops. (My personal preference is for Cascades.) Anyone can brew this style. If going all grain you might use a North American pale malt like Harrington or Klages but no reason you shouldn't use Munton Fison or Dewolf Cosyns pale malt. I would also add a bit of light crystal, cara-crystal, cara-munich or cara-vienna for added body, color (not too dark!) and complexity. Perform a standard infusion or step infusion mash. (The mash schedules appearing in recent HBD's seem perfectly reasonable.) If making an extract brew use a pale extract like Alexanders plus some of the aforementioned special malts. Keep the hops at a conservative level, say 20-25 ibu as not to overwhelm the malt character and there you have it. Let us know how it turns out! - mg Return to table of contents
End of HOMEBREW Digest #1563, 10/27/94