HOMEBREW Digest #4720 Thu 10 February 2005

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  Re: BTU output appropriate for brewing ("Craig S. Cottingham")
  German terms (Uerige Sticke Alt) ("Peter A. Ensminger")
  RE:Uerige Sticke Alt ("Sasha von_Rottweil")
  Steam INjection ("Dan Listermann")
  Re: Spruce Beers (grayling)
  Uerige Sticke Alt ("Landsberg, Kerry")
  Wine Country Trip Report (long) ("Dave Larsen")
  Re: Rapadura (Derric)
  RE:I want more Malt Flavor! (pacman)
  Big Bend Brew Off - Competition Announcement (John Larsen)

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---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 23:13:06 -0600 From: "Craig S. Cottingham" <craig at cottingham.net> Subject: Re: BTU output appropriate for brewing On Feb 9, 2005, at 10:55, "Ken Taborek" <Ken.Taborek at verizon.net> wrote: > So now I'm looking for an appropriate grill to install at my new home. > There are a lot of models with a side burner, and typically this side > burner > has a higher BTU rating than any of the individual internal burners, > in the > range of 12,000 - 16,000 BTUs. This side burner seems like it might be > appropriate for boiling wort. Our latest gas grill has a side burner, but the platform it's built into is pretty flimsy. The owner's manual states rather clearly that you're not supposed to put more than 5 or 10 pounds on it -- that's only about a gallon of water. Besides, there's no way it puts out as many BTUs as my turkey fryer burner. :-) If you look around, you may still be able to find some on closeout, but the best time for that was shortly after Christmas, if I remember correctly. - -- Craig S. Cottingham craig at cottingham.net OpenPGP key available from: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x7977F79C Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 00:41:57 -0500 From: "Peter A. Ensminger" <ensmingr at twcny.rr.com> Subject: German terms (Uerige Sticke Alt) Randy asked about some German terms in < http://www.hbd.org/hbd/archive/4719.html#4719-14 >. "Gerstenmalz" is simply "barley malt". Gersten=barley. Malz=malt. "Doldenhopfen" could be translated as "whole leaf hops". Dolden=umbel (botanical term for "inflorescence in which all flowers arise from the same terminal point"). Hopfen=hops. Cheerio! Peter A. Ensminger Syracuse, NY hbd.org/ensmingr Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:45:43 +0000 From: "Sasha von_Rottweil" <sasharina at hotmail.com> Subject: RE:Uerige Sticke Alt >love to make this beer but at only 25% German heritage I may not be >qualified :^) Dude, as a homebrewer you are qualified to make anything you want, even it it is a Botswanan Bananapeel Beer ;-) >Anywho, on the label it lists the ingredients: wasser (I know what that >is), Gerstenmalz (never heard that term; what type of malt is that?), >Caramelmalz, Rostmalz, Doldenhopfen, Uerige-hefe. Gerstenmalz : literally Barley malt, I bet you could use any good pils malt Caramelmalz : Caramel Malt Rostmalz : Roasted Malt Doldenhopfen : Whole Hops, I'm betting Spalt Uerige-hefe : (I may be wrong so somebody please verify) I believe that Whitelabs' American Hefeweizen (WLP-320) is the original Uerige strain that Widmers somehow got and began using in their America Hefeweizen. I sure everybody has their favorite Alt yeasts but I have had good results with Whitelabs European Ale (WLP-011) and the German Ale/Koelsch (WLP-029). My buddy swears by Wyeast 1338 for his Alt. Hubert Hanghofer has a Sticke recipe in his book "Bierbrauen Nach Eigenem Geschmack", but I don't have the book here. A HBD post from 6 Jan 2005 http://hbd.org/hbd/archive/4691.html#4691-2 mentions this recipe. Prost, Marty Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:48:48 -0500 From: "Dan Listermann" <dan at listermann.com> Subject: Steam INjection From: Bart Thielges <bart at landport.net> Subject: Steam injection Dan Listermann writes on steam injection to the mash : <>I tried it back in the late 80's. >It worked but I didn't feel it made my beer any better and, while fun, I >decided that it was not worth the bother.> > > <Dan - what kind of mash schedule were you comparing with while you were experimenting with steam ? I'm hoping to improve upon a single infusion schedule. If its not worth the bother over single infusion, then skipping the protein rest would speed up my brew day.> It has been so long ago it is hard to say. I suppose I did a 126F protein rest, ramped it up to 150 and finished with a mash out. Frankly a protein rest is primarily for clarity and is not necessary for almost all malts produced today. I almost always now do single infusions without a mash out getting 30 points per pound per gallon and adequate clarity. <>... The >connection between the boiler ( a pressure cooker ) was made with the metal >corrugated flexible gas hoses you see of gas stoves and such...> > <Did you feel that the corrugated flexible gas hose suffered any metal fatigue from flexing during the stirring motion ?> I didn't use it long enough to have to think about worrying about it. <I'm thinking of trying a preassembled length of SS mesh jacketed hot water hose : the kind are used to connect between the sink's faucet and the stopcock to the house plumbing in the wall. I know that they can handle 150F water at 80PSI. I am hoping that the hose doesn't fail at 220F and 15PSI.> 15 psi is more like 250 F IIRC. I would not use it. Dan Listermann Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 08:31:14 -0600 From: grayling at wideopenwest.com Subject: Re: Spruce Beers Here in the icy north of Mee-Chee-Gun (well, not quite as icy or north as Alaska!) a member of our club (Mike O'Brien) makes some fine spruce beers using blue spruce. New growth does not appear to be necessary unless you want to throw the tips in the boil. I would however recommend mash "sprucing" as it provides a much better spruce flavor in the finished product. Mike uses about a paper grocery bag full of spruce for a 10 gallon batch (just toss them in the mash). I have helped Mike brew a batch or two on his historical system (big copper pot, wood fire, wooden barrel mash/lauter tun) using spruce in the mash and they came out wonderful. Cheers! Jim Suchy Westland, MI (I will be at {0,0} Rennerian this Friday night!!) Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 09:55:17 -0700 From: "Landsberg, Kerry" <Kerry.Landsberg at qwest.com> Subject: Uerige Sticke Alt > -----Original Message----- > From: Landsberg, Kerry > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 9:54 AM > To: 'post at hbd.org' > Subject: Uerige Sticke Alt > > > Gerstenmalz = barley malt > > Doldenhopfen = umbel hops. > Have no idea what this means exactly in translation. Hop flowers might be pretty close. Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 20:13:11 +0000 From: "Dave Larsen" <hunahpumonkey at hotmail.com> Subject: Wine Country Trip Report (long) My wife Julie and I are pretty big wine buffs. That is not to say that we are experts. However, we have certain styles and brands we like. As a result, we decided to take a weekend trip to wine country, USA: Napa and Sonoma. Julie and I have not been to Northern California wine country for about 5 years, and when we were there last, it was for a couple of hours and only went to Robert Mondavi vineyard/winery. This time, we decided to spend three days and hit as many wineries as we could. We figured out that we could probably hit three or four wineries/vineyards per day and still have time to relax at the Bed and Breakfast we were staying at. That worked out to about 10 wineries/vineyards total. It broke down like this: Friday (Napa) - -------- Cuvaisan Cake Bread Truchard Saturday (Sonoma) - -------- Ferrari-Carano Rochioli Battaglini Coturri Sunday (Napa) - -------- Barnett Rombauer Folie a Deux What was interesting is that we have been drinking certain brands of wine for years, but you have no idea what the size of the vineyard/winery or complexity of the production by looking at the bottle. For instance, we've been drinking Truchard, a wonderful wine, for a long time, so when we drove up, we expected a huge company. Not so. It was basically someone's house with a couple of goats tied up front. When we showed up, even though we had an appointment, we found ourselves wandering around their yard calling out, "hello?" When someone finally appeared, we went into what looked like a guest house and found a small room full of cases of wines. There we tried a few wines until we were quite happy. At one point, Mr. Truchard came out with a rubber ball, and tossed it at one goat. The goat happily butted it back. This game continued for some time. After a while, they took us into their "wine cave," a series of artificial, dimly lit tunnels full of casks of wine, being aged. That was way cool. Another small winery we visited was Coturri. These guys make incredible Zinfandels. They are also a bunch of hippies from the 60s. They tout the fact that they use no additives like sulfites or even yeast. They use yeast naturally occurring on the grapes. Also, they do the process completely by hand, including bottling. What really struck me was that they had no tasting room per se. We sat in their garage as they opened up bottle after bottle, surrounded by pet dogs and cats. The bar, if you want to call it that, was a piece of plywood casually placed upon some unused barrels. What was very interesting about their production is that they do very small amounts, about 300 cases at a time, which comes out to 3600 bottles. I do not know how many barrels that is, but I only noticed two rows of barrels half covered by their garage, with the same "S" shaped airlock that you would find in on one of my carboys back home. I asked them how they did primary fermentation, to which the bearded ex-hippie vintner responded that they had a big wooden fermenter that looked like a giant oak barrel in one of their sheds. This operation did not look any more professional than a basic homebrew setup, just larger in size. What was great about it is that, like I said, they produce some of the best Zinfandels I've ever tasted. In fact, they just had a write-up in the Wall Street Journal. After we finished tasting, they gave us all the open bottles we tasted out of, saying, "We can't drink all of this. You take it." We ending up bringing the bottles back to the Bed and Breakfast and passing them out to people we met. In general, the thing that stands out at the smaller wineries is that they seem so glad to see you. I imagine that they rarely get visitors. This differed so vastly from the larger wineries, such as Ferrari-Carano. At that winery there are signs telling you where the winery is, where to park, how to get to the tasting room and so on. The tasting room was an elaborate shop, full of after-market items like refrigerator magnets and bubble bath. The bar was elegant, packed with people, and came with slick wine salesmen. We took a tour of another larger winery called Cake Bread. This differed so vastly from Coturri in that they had large stainless steel fermenters, jacketed so that they carry coolant to control temperature. At the time we were in there, the fermenters were covered in ice. The internal temps were about 35 degrees F. This was to cause the tartaric acid to precipitate out of the wine, which can lead to sediment in the bottle. Obviously, their production was way more complicated and professional looking than Coturri. To be honest, often times in the larger wineries, we were in and out in 10 minutes. We would taste want we wanted, buy what we wanted, and were out of there. We enjoyed the smaller ones so much more, because you could actually talk to the people involved in the process. Another winery that stood out was Barnett. Barnett has wines that are quite costy, up to 100 dollars a bottle, but is quite worth it. As you can guess, though, it is not casual drinking. Barnett was at the end of our tour. We had Map Quest directions that said it was 5 miles up Spring Mountain Road. Little did we know that it was also 2000 feet in altitude as well, up at the top if Spring Mountain (hence the name of the road). It was very steep, twisty and turny, and grown over. Julie and I had already been to several small and large wineries. In our head we thought that this was another dinky operation run by hippies, because there was no way a semi-truck was getting up that road. However, when it ended, we stopped at large wooden gates with a callbox next to it. "Hi, this is Dave and Julie. We have an appointment." There was a click and the gates slowly opened to reveal the most beautiful view we saw since we got there. You could see all the way down Spring Mountain into Napa Valley, and there were vines clinging to the side. The grounds were beautiful and manicured. We met Hal and Fiona Barnett inside, along with our guide Tyson. They were extraordinarily friendly and definitely not hippies. We did find out, thought, that it was a small family operation. You could not tell that by looking, because it looked professional in every way. In addition, they definitely knew the business end of wine, understanding the value of their product. My favorite part of that visit was talking about diacetyl and its role in wine vs. beer. In fact, that was kind of the theme at all the small wineries. Since my background was homebrewing beer, I would often talk about production of beer while they would talk from the wine end, meeting somewhere in the middle. It was very fascinating. That is basically it. I hope you enjoyed the report. Dave Tucson, AZ Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 14:40:03 -0800 (PST) From: Derric <derric1961 at yahoo.com> Subject: Re: Rapadura > I've recently been able to locate authentic rapadura > on the internet. I googled rapadura, and it can be > purchased through Amazon at a ridiculously high > price. The ones I brought back from Brazil cost > less than a dollar for 400g. The Mexican raw sugar cones are probably the same thing. Look at: http://www.mexgrocer.com/9696.html They say: "Panela is a pure, wholesome, traditional, unrefined, non-centrifugal whole sugar. It contains the natural goodness of minerals and vitamins inherently present in sugarcane juice. Panela is known by many names such as- turbinado sugar, Jaggery, Gur, Raspadura, Piloncillo, Panocha or Penuche." It is $1.75 for 12 oz. Disclaimer: I know nothing about the company above... I found it from searching amazon for "piloncillo" ... Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 18:15:25 -0700 From: pacman at edwardwadsworth.com Subject: RE:I want more Malt Flavor! Reading your post I would recommend two things. Use liquid yeast intead of dry (make a starter, too). You'll have more options and in MY experience liquid yeasts made into a starter, pitched into a beer give superior flavor results. Again, in MY experience. The second thing would be to use more extract/ specialty malts than the recipe calls for. I started all-grain brewing in the first year, after four progressively better, yet lacking, partial mash batches. Upping the "grainbill" and extract amounts a touch helped boost the flavor. The real secret is the yeast. They take what you make and create all the flavor profiles. Plenty of healthy yeast and a good mash are necessary to make good beer. The extract method potentially lacks some of the nutrients and enzymes needed for yeast to do a complete job, resulting in more "malty" flavor and an overall fuller, more satisfying taste. Of course, all grain brewing presents more potential to screw up, and ultimately you are fully responsible for the quality of your extract. But when done well, it's a no brainer. Parker - ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. Return to table of contents
Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2005 21:59:57 -0500 From: John Larsen <jlarsen at nettally.com> Subject: Big Bend Brew Off - Competition Announcement The North Florida Brewers League of Tallahassee is proud to announce the 9th annual competition, the Big Bend Brew Off 2005. The competition is registered with both the AHA and the BJCP and will accept entries in all categories in the 2004 BJCP guidelines (see www.bjcp.org ) . Judging will be held on Saturday, March 12 and entries will be accepted from February 18 to March 4. An entry cost $6 and consists of three bottles. Complete rules and entry forms may be downloaded from our website at www.nfbl.org. Send all entries to: Big Bend Brew Off, c/o The Homebrew Den, 1350 E. Tennessee ST, #B-3, Tallahassee, FL 32308 If you have any questions, please contact the competition organizers, Joel Tedder and Wendy Gregory , jandw1112 at aol.com Of course, we can always use judges. Please contact the Judge Director, John Larsen, if you are interested jlarsen at nettally.com Return to table of contents
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